Sabbath-Keeping

[ATP]

I have believed in Him since I was a little girl of 12, the year my grandmother gave me my first "big girl" Bible for Christmas. I devoured that Book...I had read it through, cover to cover, by Easter...although I admit, I skipped through a bit when it came to Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
By the time I had read the Gospels, Jesus had become my Hero.
That was 53 years ago...wow, that's a long time, isn't it?
I've read it many, many, many times since then...

To answer your question, then...yes, ATP, I am quite sure that Jesus is alive.

[SIZE=11pt]John 3:3 Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."

John 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'[/SIZE]

 

[Barrd]

[SIZE=11pt]John 3:3 Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."

John 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'[/SIZE]

Yes!
You must be born again!
And when that happens, there will be a change...there's more to it than just getting wet.

 

[ATP]

Yes!
You must be born again!
And when that happens, there will be a change...there's more to it than just getting wet.

How do we become born again Barrd.

 

[Barrd]

How do we become born again Barrd.

Wow, you don't ask much, do you? I can only tell you from my own experience.
I would say that it begins in your heart. You learn about Jesus Christ...Who He is, and what He is like. Gentle, compassionate, patient, kind, full of love...
He says "follow Me"...and I, at least, wanted nothing more than to do just that.
Oh, I gave my heart to Him more than willingly, eager to know as much about Him as my little mind could hold.
My parents weren't exactly what you'd call "fanatic", but we did belong to a tiny Episcopal church. How I loved that little church! The beauty and the simplicity of it, the stained glass windows, the cross behind the pulpit, the music...even the smell of it...all seemed to bring me close to the Lord I had fallen in love with. And back in those days, the building was open 24-7. I used to love to walk down there with my Bible and curl up in one of the pews and read, read, read.
Now, I had been baptized as an infant, of course...and, according to my Episcopal upbringing, I was "confirmed" that very same year...and it was a glorious experience.
By this time, I knew that I belonged to Him, and would from then on. I had received the Holy Spirit, and I knew that He now dwelt within me. I was His, and He was mine, and so it would always be, as long as I lived..but I came to realize that I wanted to be baptized, as Jesus had been.

But I'm guessing you are wanting to hear the Roman Road thingie....if I can remember exactly how it goes...
Let me see...realize that you are a sinner "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God".
Check. I realized that before I was halfway through that lovely new Bible...in fact, I think I had always known it.

Next...understand the penalty for sin "The wages of sin is death".
Check. Even as a kid I realized that this was more than our physical demise. After all, my goldfish had not sinned...

Next...understand that Jesus paid your penalty and made available to you the gift of eternal life. "The gift of God is eternal life".
Check. I knew that I wanted to spend this life with Him...and if it were possible, to spend eternity with Him. He had me by my 12 year old heart.

Next...confession unto salvation. "Confess with thy mouth..."
Check. I certainly had no problem confessing with my mouth, or believing in my heart.

And finally, if I'm not mistaken, you must be baptized.
Check. Even though the old priest in that little church was Episcopalian, he understood my concerns. He called a friend of his, and the next thing I knew, I was being baptized in the Methodist church's facility. Of course, my parents knew nothing of this...they would have been outraged. But it was a precious moment to me, if only because I had obeyed the scripture.

And now, you want me to say that I have eternal security, knowing that Jesus will never leave me or forsake me.
And, you are right, so far as it goes. But it is a two-way relationship. Jesus will not leave me...but I can walk away from Him, by continuing in my sin, and refusing to repent. I can rebel against Him. I could have decided that the affair I was having was worth more to me than He is, that it was too hard to follow Him, and turned back.

Jesus would not have forsaken me...but I would have forsaken Him. And I would have lost my salvation. Of course, if I had done so, I could still repent and been welcome back into His loving arms, provided my repentance was sincere.

 

[Joyful]

How do we become born again Barrd.

This has been answered many times.

I will repeat again simply and clearly:

We are born again if we determined to change our lives to Jesus' way. In order to do it, we must strive to follow all Jesus' commands or teachings.

And OSAS believers don't seem to know this simple principle.

 

[Phoneman777]

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to lif

OK, if we do that we have eternal life, but where's the proof that you can't cross back into death from that verse?

 

[Phoneman777]

Have you read the book of Revelation?

Jesus says to the seven churches to repent of their imperfect faith.

Your searching of loop holes do not work. You are mocking God and Jesus with your kind of faith.

You need to learn to be true to Jesus instead of seeking loopholes to justify your perverted salvation.

I've already shared that point with him, but to no avail. It's like herding cats. SMH

 

[ATP]

Wow, you don't ask much, do you? I can only tell you from my own experience.
I would say that it begins in your heart. You learn about Jesus Christ...Who He is, and what He is like. Gentle, compassionate, patient, kind, full of love...
He says "follow Me"...and I, at least, wanted nothing more than to do just that.
Oh, I gave my heart to Him more than willingly, eager to know as much about Him as my little mind could hold.
My parents weren't exactly what you'd call "fanatic", but we did belong to a tiny Episcopal church. How I loved that little church! The beauty and the simplicity of it, the stained glass windows, the cross behind the pulpit, the music...even the smell of it...all seemed to bring me close to the Lord I had fallen in love with. And back in those days, the building was open 24-7. I used to love to walk down there with my Bible and curl up in one of the pews and read, read, read.
Now, I had been baptized as an infant, of course...and, according to my Episcopal upbringing, I was "confirmed" that very same year...and it was a glorious experience.
By this time, I knew that I belonged to Him, and would from then on. I had received the Holy Spirit, and I knew that He now dwelt within me. I was His, and He was mine, and so it would always be, as long as I lived..but I came to realize that I wanted to be baptized, as Jesus had been.

But I'm guessing you are wanting to hear the Roman Road thingie....if I can remember exactly how it goes...
Let me see...realize that you are a sinner "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God".
Check. I realized that before I was halfway through that lovely new Bible...in fact, I think I had always known it.

Next...understand the penalty for sin "The wages of sin is death".
Check. Even as a kid I realized that this was more than our physical demise. After all, my goldfish had not sinned...

Next...understand that Jesus paid your penalty and made available to you the gift of eternal life. "The gift of God is eternal life".
Check. I knew that I wanted to spend this life with Him...and if it were possible, to spend eternity with Him. He had me by my 12 year old heart.

Next...confession unto salvation. "Confess with thy mouth..."
Check. I certainly had no problem confessing with my mouth, or believing in my heart.

And finally, if I'm not mistaken, you must be baptized.
Check. Even though the old priest in that little church was Episcopalian, he understood my concerns. He called a friend of his, and the next thing I knew, I was being baptized in the Methodist church's facility. Of course, my parents knew nothing of this...they would have been outraged. But it was a precious moment to me, if only because I had obeyed the scripture.

And now, you want me to say that I have eternal security, knowing that Jesus will never leave me or forsake me.
And, you are right, so far as it goes. But it is a two-way relationship. Jesus will not leave me...but I can walk away from Him, by continuing in my sin, and refusing to repent. I can rebel against Him. I could have decided that the affair I was having was worth more to me than He is, that it was too hard to follow Him, and turned back.

Jesus would not have forsaken me...but I would have forsaken Him. And I would have lost my salvation. Of course, if I had done so, I could still repent and been welcome back into His loving arms, provided my repentance was sincere.

Rom 10:9, 2 Tim 2:13, 1 Cor 1:8-9 NIV

 

[Phoneman777]

It's simple. Either you believe or you don't. Do you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead?

The devils also believe and tremble, yet they do not have eternal life. You will say, "But, there's more to the story regarding demons...." I find that incredible that you're willing to admit there's more to the story regarding this, but when you're shown countless other chapters in the story of salvation which disproves OSAS, you stubbornly ignore the rest of the book.

 

[ATP]

This has been answered many times.

I will repeat again simply and clearly:

We are born again if we determined to change our lives to Jesus' way. In order to do it, we must strive to follow all Jesus' commands or teachings.

And OSAS believers don't seem to know this simple principle.

No, we are born again by believing Rom 10:9.

OK, so where's the proof that you can't cross back into death from that verse?

What does the word "eternal" mean here..

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

 

[ATP]

The devils also believe and tremble, yet they do not have eternal life.

These passages say believers have eternal life. This is the Word of God Phoneman.

John 3:14-15 NIV Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

John 3:16 NIV For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 6:40 NIV For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

John 6:47 NIV I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.

Acts 13:46-48 NIV Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: " 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' " 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

Eph 1:13-14 NIV And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Tit 3:7 NIV so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

1 John 5:13-14 NIV I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God:

 

[Joyful]

No, we are born again by believing Rom 10:9.


What does the word "eternal" mean here..

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

I started a new thread about "born again" for OSAS believers because you don't know what it is.

 

[Joyful]

ATP,

here it is:

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/21840-we-must-be-born-again-to-be-gods-kingdom/

 

[ATP]

I started a new thread about "born again" for OSAS believers because you don't know what it is.

and you don't know the definition of eternal. time to go back to grade school.

 

[Joyful]

and you don't know the definition of eternal. time to go back to grade school.

So you refuse to accept what the Bible says about born again and claiming to be born again.

what a concept.

 

[Barrd]

Rom 10:9, 2 Tim 2:13, 1 Cor 1:8-9 NIV

I wonder if you even read my testimony, that you asked me for.
Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[Barrd]

and you don't know the definition of eternal. time to go back to grade school.

Ah, ah, ah, ATP, don't be rude.
Joyful has done a kind thing for you in opening a thread so that you and other OSAS believers might come and talk with Christians about our faith.

I say we ought to thank Joyful...

 

[ATP]

Ah, ah, ah, ATP, don't be rude.
Joyful has done a kind thing for you in opening a thread so that you and other OSAS believers might come and talk with Christians about our faith.

I say we ought to thank Joyful...

Joyful needs to learn what eternal means.

 

[Barrd]

Joyful needs to learn what eternal means.

First of all, I suspect that Joyful knows what eternal means.
Second, you can't teach anyone anything by being rude to them.
And third, we will know Christ's disciples by their love.

 

[ATP]

You all believe you can lose your salvation, so how can any of you possibly know what eternal means.