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You need to know what "born again" means.ATP said:Joyful needs to learn what eternal means.
We believe Jesus Christ.ATP said:You all believe you can lose your salvation, so how can any of you possibly know what eternal means.
No one is arguing about it. Why are you repeating the same thing over and over?ATP said:Eternal means forever.
Yes, ATP, eternal means forever.ATP said:Eternal means forever.
But if you believe you can lose your salvation then you do not know what eternal means.The Barrd said:Yes, ATP, eternal means forever.
Now, what does righteousness mean?
Not according to you. You believe a born again believer can lose their salvation. Follow God's ten commandments or go to hell.Joyful said:ATP,
You cannot separate born again and eternal life. If you are born again, you will have eternal life. And if you are not born again you will not have eternal life.
It is simple concept. It is all in my OP.
Not exactly, ATP.ATP said:Not according to you. You believe a born again believer can lose their salvation. Follow God's ten commandments or go to hell.
It's called quenching the spirit. Quenching the spirit is not losing salvation. Far from it 1 Thess 5:19.The Barrd said:Not exactly, ATP.
A born again believer is, of course, going to begin to change, to be conformed to Christ...but it isn't going to happen overnight. His flesh is still at war with his spirit. As Paul says, he loves the law of God with his mind, but there is another law in his members.
So, yes....occasionally, he is going to "mess up."
Now, he could decide that he is more attached to his sin...he loves his flesh more than he loves God. He wants to continue in his sin. But we know that sin is what separates us from God, don't we? How, then, can we sin, and still think we can inherit the kingdom of God? Obviously, we cannot.
Or, he could repent, and turn from his sin, and be restored to God's fellowship.
More assumptions. Your list is getting bigger.The Barrd said:The idea that you can live like the devil and still go to live with God has absolutely no support in Scripture at all, basically because it isn't true.
Fair enough. Then let me ask you...once I have believed in Jesus Christ, may I deliberately sin, with no intention of repenting at all...for instance, may I have an affair with a married man...and still expect to go to heaven?ATP said:More assumptions. Your list is getting bigger.
Jesus is the one who judges who are born again or not. You don't claim you are born again and saved.ATP said:Not according to you. You believe a born again believer can lose their salvation. Follow God's ten commandments or go to hell.
If you have an affair with a married man, God will convict you. If Hitler believed and accepted Jesus Christ on his death bed, he is going to heaven.The Barrd said:Fair enough. Then let me ask you...once I have believed in Jesus Christ, may I deliberately sin, with no intention of repenting at all...for instance, may I have an affair with a married man...and still expect to go to heaven?
I agree.Joyful said:Jesus is the one who judges who are born again or not. You don't claim you are born again and saved.
It is Jesus who judges who are born again and saved.
Born again means accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, by believing and confessing Rom 10:9.Joyful said:It is my experience that all OSAS believers boast to be true and saved and born again Christians, yet they don't even know what the "born again" means.
I have never seen any non-OSAS boast they are saved and born again Christians, yet they know what it is to be born again.
It is just so strange.
If Hitler believed and accepted Jesus Christ on his death bed, he is going to heaven.The Barrd said:I notice that ATP is not answering my question.
Let me try again.
May a man rape his twelve year old stepson and still go to heaven?
What about the woman who drowned three of her children?
Could someone who believed in Jesus do these things and still go to heaven?
.You probably weren't paying any attention when I told another user about this, but yes, the Holy Spirit within me will convict me...ATP said:If you have an affair with a married man, God will convict you. If Hitler believed and accepted Jesus Christ on his death bed, he is going to heaven.
so typical of your response; disregarding the rest what Jesus and His apostles said about born again.Born again means accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, by believing and confessing Rom 10:9.
Yes he will still accept you. God is faithful when we are faithless.The Barrd said:If I refused to repent, but continued in my affair, would God still accept me?
Rom 10:9 is the Word of God and is easy to understand, even for beginners like you.Joyful said:so typical of your response; disregarding the rest what Jesus and His apostles said about born again.
