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Barrd

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If Hitler believed and accepted Jesus Christ on his death bed, he is going to heaven.
I wasn't asking about Hitler.
Hitler is dead. Whether he ever accepted Christ as his Savior or not, his fate, whatever it is, is now sealed.
No, I'm talking about OSAS believers.
An OSAS believer who gives in to temptation and rapes his 12 year old step son...he decides he enjoys the power he feels, having sex with a helpless child...he is going to continue to rape this little boy, and he has no intention of stopping, or repenting. Is he going to heaven?
Another who is at the end of her rope...she just can't handle her screaming kids any longer...so she straps them into their car seats, and pushes the car off of a cliff into the raging river below.
She is never caught, and she never repents.
Is she going to heaven?

What if it were your kid being raped? Would the rapist still be going to heaven?
Or your wife who lost her mind and snuffed your kids? Would she go to heaven?

Your answer matters...
 

Barrd

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Yes he will still accept you. God is faithful when we are faithless.
Then why did He suffer and die for our sin?
If God will accept sinners anyway, all of that passion was not even necessary.

Why all the hype about the wages of sin, if we get a free pass to sin all we like?
 

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The Barrd said:
Then why did He suffer and die for our sin?
Love.

The Barrd said:
Hitler is dead. Whether he ever accepted Christ as his Savior or not, his fate, whatever it is, is now sealed.
Correct, he is sealed. Do you understand what this seal represents and how long we are sealed?
 

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Yes he will still accept you. God is faithful when we are faithless.


Rom 10:9 is the Word of God and is easy to understand, even for beginners like you.
I will not accept your kind of half truth faith.

I have responsibility to spread Jesus' whole truth gospel.

It is my conviction to spread whole truth to the world.

It is a grave sin that OSAS believers spreading half truth to the world and leading them astray.

What the world know about Jesus is not true Christianity.
 

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Joyful said:
I will not accept your kind of half truth faith.

I have responsibility to spread Jesus' whole truth gospel.

It is my conviction to spread whole truth to the world.

It is a grave sin that OSAS believers spreading half truth to the world and leading them astray.

What the world know about Jesus is not true Christianity.
NON-OSAS is not the Gospel. Are you covered in the blood of Jesus Joyful?
 

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Yes he will still accept you. God is faithful when we are faithless.
You are so sleazy.

We are talking about unfaithful Christians.

Jesus does not accept unfaithful Christians and you are not the authority of salvation, Jesus is, dear.
 

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Joyful said:
You are so sleazy.

We are talking about unfaithful Christians.

Jesus does not accept unfaithful Christians and you are not the authority of salvation, Jesus is, dear.
Joyful. Are you covered in the blood of Jesus.
 

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NON-OSAS is not the Gospel. Are you covered in the blood of Jesus Joyful?
it is not Jesus' teaching, we have been showing you why it is man-made. Your refusal to accept Jesus' word is just remarkable.
 

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Joyful said:
what does this have to do with your refusal to accept Jesus' word?
It's a simple yes or no question. Do you know what it means to be covered in the blood of Jesus.

Acts 20:28 NIV Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Rev 1:4-5 NIV John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
 

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It's a simple yes or no question. Do you know what it means to be covered in the blood of Jesus.

Acts 20:28 NIV Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Rev 1:4-5 NIV John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
Since your questions and comments are based on belief of OSAS I will not accept them because I am not OSAS believer.
 

Barrd

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According to you, God is going to let unrepentant sinners into heaven.
I don't think you've considered the implications of this notion.
These people have not been conformed to Christ...they're running around heaven with their sin nature still intact. Only now, they are immortal!
Can you even imagine an immortal Hitler, turned loose in heaven! Makes me shudder even thinking about it.

But that's not even the worst of it. Jesus...gentle, patient, kind, compassionate, full of love...gentle as a kitten and harmless as a daisy...God's Only Begotten Son...submits HImself to humiliation, to abuse, to unspeakable torture....to have cruel spikes driven through the flesh of his hands and feet, tearing through muscle, shredding veins, ripping tendons apart, shattering bone...and left to hang on a cross...arms pulling out of joint, lungs screaming for air, tortured muscles stretching and tearing, as His body squirms in agony...
And it's all so unecessary, since God will accept sinners into heaven anyway. The huge sacrifice turns out to be a sham. You call this love...but in truth, if there is no penalty for sin, this would be insanity.
 

Barrd

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Joyful. Are you covered in the blood of Jesus.
What difference does it make anyway? All one need do is say a few magic words and they are home free....lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder...nothing matters, because we believe in Jesus....never mind the words He said about taking up our cross and following Him, or being righteous, or loving one another or any such thing, because they don't matter...He didn't really mean that stuff anyway.


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Sorry guys, I just needed to re-group. I'm back. Rev 2:4-5 NIV Explanation..

Jesus is removing the fallen (church) out of its high place. Candlestick represents a group of people, not the Holy Spirit. For example, it's not saying God will remove the Holy Spirit from your body, rather it's saying God will remove the church as a people from your pride because they chose not to love Rev 2:4 NIV. The Gospel is of love, not religion folks. It's not talking about individual salvation, rather a group of people..

κινεῖν τήν λυχνίαν τίνος (ἐκκλησίας) ἐκ τοῦ τόπου αὐτῆς, to move a church out of the place which it has hitherto held among the churches; to take it out of the number of churches, remove it altogether, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent; or thee out of the candlestick, the pastor from the church, either by persecution or by death; or else the church, and church state itself, signified by a candlestick;

To be victorious, one would have to believe and trust in Jesus Christ as their savior Rom 10:9-10 NIV, 1 John 5:4-5 NIV. Many will not believe that Jesus died for all their sins...

Rev 2:7 NIV Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Prov 21:31 NIV The horse is made ready for the day of battle, but victory rests with the LORD.

John 16:33 NIV "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

Rom 8:35 NIV Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Rom 8:37 NIV No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

1 Cor 15:57 NIV But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Cor 2:14 NIV But thanks be to God, who always leads us as captives in Christ's triumphal procession and uses us to spread the aroma of the knowledge of him everywhere.

1 John 5:4-5 NIV for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Rev 2:7 NIV Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Rev 21:7-8 NIV Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
 

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In Hebrews God says "I will write my commandments on their hearts and minds, and I will be their God and they will be my people" and in Revelation 12 and 14 Salvation is for those who have the testimony of Jesus and follow God's Commandments"...so based on that if you do not follow God's commandments, you can forget about salvation, because you never attained it...therefore, if you truly have salvation based on the foreging you should want to keep God's commandments, and do everything pleasing to Him, instead of trying to weasel out of keeping His Commandments, and following His Holy word...as Paul said "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid! We establish the law!
 

Barrd

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It just seems so obvious. If you love someone...say your spouse, for instance...doesn't it follow that you will want to please them?
How much more, then if you love Jesus Christ, you will want to please Him? If you believe in Him, then you will also believe in the things He taught.
To think that you can sin all you want as His disciple is just silly.
 

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heretoeternity said:
so based on that if you do not follow God's commandments, you can forget about salvation, because you never attained it..
That's right, we never attained it because it was a gift from God to start with. We are no longer under the law but under the Grace covenant. Looks like we're covered by grace after all. Amen.

Matt 5:17 NIV “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matt 26:28 NIV This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

John 1:16-17 NIV Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Rom 6:14 NIV For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

1 Cor 9:20-21 NIV To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.

1 Cor 11:25 NIV In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

1 Cor 15:10 NIV But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them--yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.

2 Cor 1:12 NIV Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, with integrity and godly sincerity. We have done so, relying not on worldly wisdom but on God’s grace.

2 Cor 3:6 NIV He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Gal 1:6-7 NIV I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gal 3:13 NIV Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Gal 3:24-25 NIV So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Gal 5:1-6 NIV It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Eph 2:7-9 NIV in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

Heb 7:18-19 NIV The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Heb 7:22 NIV Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

Heb 9:11-28 NIV - The Blood of Christ

Heb 10:1 NIV The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
 

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ATP said:
No, we are born again by believing Rom 10:9.


What does the word "eternal" mean here.. :rolleyes:

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Brother, the death from which you crossed over to life was also "eternal", so "eternal" is no proof at all that you can't cross back over to death. :rolleyes:

BTW, the Unmerciful Servant crossed back over from forgiveness to condemnation, right?
 
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