Sabbath

[whitestone]

How do we live out Sabbath rest in the NT era?

By ceasing from our own labors, dying to self and being born of Christ and walking in His Righteousness in Faith.
As the writer to the Hebrews explained in detail, this is the fulfillment of the "type" of Israel entering into the promised land. If we don't know that we are Israel, and that we have entered into His Rest Eternally in Christ, then it will be a confusing subject for most people, good for nothing but to cause splinter groups to form around unfulfilled shadow/types of the Mosaic Law and Christ will be of no value to them because they still desire to perform the imperfect actions of their own abilities, which kills them dead as those who had no faith in the wilderness.

 

[John_8:32]

Again got it all backwards. The scriptures have to line up wuth God not God with the scriptures, God came first the writen word later. Its no wonder christians are so bewildered.

In all His Love

No one can help you. not even Jesus can go against your will, But you have denied His free Gift. There is no grace for those who are under the law.

So let's do whatever we desire as often as we desire?

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Why, how can that be, there is no law, therefore no sin...

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

In All His love

Thnaks Axehed this post has hit a dead end, you are well informed.

why, God would never ask me to OBEY Him would He? I am free to serve Him anyway I wish.

 

[mjrhealth]

Mat_6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

So which is it. Jesus by grace through faith to life or the law which leads to death.

Deu_30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

In all His Love

 

[Thegoodground]

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. (Gal 4:9-11)

I wonder why Paul was afraid for those who kept days?

 

[John_8:32]

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. (Gal 4:9-11)

I wonder why Paul was afraid for those who kept days?

Well, let's just see why...

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

We all know that the Ten Commandments were spoken by God on Mt. Sinai and were not elements of the world.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

What does it mean to be redeemed?

redeemed:

G1805
ἐξαγοράζω
exagorazō
ex-ag-or-ad'-zo
From G1537 and G59; to buy up, that is, ransom; figuratively to rescue from loss (improve opportunity): - redeem.

Christ did this by dying for us, He paid the price, shed His blood for our guilt.

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

We are no longer children of the Devil or the world, no longer servants of the world, rather sons and heirs of God thanks to Christ.

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, {b]when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

So, prior to their calling to the truth, they served false gods that were no gods.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Paul was admonishing them for returning to the false beliefs that they held prior to conversion, such as...

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

The Diaglott has it as this...

Gal 4:3 So also we, when we were children, under the rudiments of the world we were having been enslaved;
Gal 4:8 But then indeed, not knowing God, you were enslaved to those by nature not being gods;
Gal 4:9 now but, having know God, more and having been known by God, how do you turn back again to the weak and poor rudiments, to which again as at first be in subjection you wish?
Gal 4:10 Days you watch narrowly? and moons and seasons and years?

From Bullingers...

Gal 4:3 So we also, when we were children, were enslaved under the elementary rules of the world:

Galatians 4:3

Even so we = So we also.

in bondage = enslaved. Greek. douloo App-190.

elements = elementary rules. Greek. stoicheion. Here, Gal_4:9. Col_2:8, Col_2:20. Heb_5:12. 2Pe_3:10, 2Pe_3:12. Compare Rom_2:14, Rom_2:15.

world. Greek. kosmos. App-129.

In every case the word elements (rudiments) means the beginning principles. The beginning principles of what?

Gal 4:3 So we also, when we were children, were enslaved under the elementary rules of the world]:

Bullingers App-129:

App-129

Companion Bible
Appendix #129
129. THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS FOR

"WORLD", "EARTH", ETC.

There are four Greek words which are thus translated; and it is most important that they should be, in each occurrence, carefully distinguished. They are as follows :--
1. kosmos = the world as created, ordered, and arranged. Hence it is used in the LXX for the Heb. word rendered "ornament". See Exo_33:5; Exo_33:6. Isa_49:18. Jer_4:30. Eze_7:20, &c. It denotes the opposite of what man has called "chaos", which God never created. See notes on Isa_45:18 and Gen_1:2 : for the Heb. bara' means not only to create, but that what was created was beautiful. The root, meaning to carve, plane, polish, implies both order and beauty. Cp. Ap. 146.

So we are talking about the rudimentary principles of the worldly society around us.

If you are going to lift verses out of context and twist them, be careful...

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given to him wrote to you;
2Pe 3:16 As in all his epistles also, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable strain, as they do [in] the other Scriptures also, unto their own destruction.

 

[Raeneske]

Well, let's just see why...

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

We all know that the Ten Commandments were spoken by God on Mt. Sinai and were not elements of the world.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

What does it mean to be redeemed?

redeemed:

G1805
ἐξαγοράζω
exagorazō
ex-ag-or-ad'-zo
From G1537 and G59; to buy up, that is, ransom; figuratively to rescue from loss (improve opportunity): - redeem.

Christ did this by dying for us, He paid the price, shed His blood for our guilt.

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

We are no longer children of the Devil or the world, no longer servants of the world, rather sons and heirs of God thanks to Christ.

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, {b]when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

So, prior to their calling to the truth, they served false gods that were no gods.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Paul was admonishing them for returning to the false beliefs that they held prior to conversion, such as...

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

The Diaglott has it as this...

Gal 4:3 So also we, when we were children, under the rudiments of the world we were having been enslaved;
Gal 4:8 But then indeed, not knowing God, you were enslaved to those by nature not being gods;
Gal 4:9 now but, having know God, more and having been known by God, how do you turn back again to the weak and poor rudiments, to which again as at first be in subjection you wish?
Gal 4:10 Days you watch narrowly? and moons and seasons and years?

From Bullingers...

Gal 4:3 So we also, when we were children, were enslaved under the elementary rules of the world:

Galatians 4:3

Even so we = So we also.

in bondage = enslaved. Greek. douloo App-190.

elements = elementary rules. Greek. stoicheion. Here, Gal_4:9. Col_2:8, Col_2:20. Heb_5:12. 2Pe_3:10, 2Pe_3:12. Compare Rom_2:14, Rom_2:15.

world. Greek. kosmos. App-129.

In every case the word elements (rudiments) means the beginning principles. The beginning principles of what?

Gal 4:3 So we also, when we were children, were enslaved under the elementary rules of the world]:

Bullingers App-129:

App-129

Companion Bible
Appendix #129
129. THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS FOR

"WORLD", "EARTH", ETC.

There are four Greek words which are thus translated; and it is most important that they should be, in each occurrence, carefully distinguished. They are as follows :--
1. kosmos = the world as created, ordered, and arranged. Hence it is used in the LXX for the Heb. word rendered "ornament". See Exo_33:5; Exo_33:6. Isa_49:18. Jer_4:30. Eze_7:20, &c. It denotes the opposite of what man has called "chaos", which God never created. See notes on Isa_45:18 and Gen_1:2 : for the Heb. bara' means not only to create, but that what was created was beautiful. The root, meaning to carve, plane, polish, implies both order and beauty. Cp. Ap. 146.

So we are talking about the rudimentary principles of the worldly society around us.

If you are going to lift verses out of context and twist them, be careful...

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given to him wrote to you;
2Pe 3:16 As in all his epistles also, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable strain, as they do [in] the other Scriptures also, unto their own destruction.

Profound. I have been waiting for an explanation on this verse. I knew it had nothing to do with the Sabbath, but you're understanding just opened it up more. And thank you for researching the words as well.

There may come a time when you may also have to cease speaking to them. Stay in prayer, run the race with patience.

 

[Thegoodground]

Well, let's just see why...

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

We all know that the Ten Commandments were spoken by God on Mt. Sinai and were not elements of the world.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

What does it mean to be redeemed?

redeemed:

G1805
ἐξαγοράζω
exagorazō
ex-ag-or-ad'-zo
From G1537 and G59; to buy up, that is, ransom; figuratively to rescue from loss (improve opportunity): - redeem.

Christ did this by dying for us, He paid the price, shed His blood for our guilt.

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

We are no longer children of the Devil or the world, no longer servants of the world, rather sons and heirs of God thanks to Christ.

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, {b]when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

So, prior to their calling to the truth, they served false gods that were no gods.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Paul was admonishing them for returning to the false beliefs that they held prior to conversion, such as...

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

The Diaglott has it as this...

Gal 4:3 So also we, when we were children, under the rudiments of the world we were having been enslaved;
Gal 4:8 But then indeed, not knowing God, you were enslaved to those by nature not being gods;
Gal 4:9 now but, having know God, more and having been known by God, how do you turn back again to the weak and poor rudiments, to which again as at first be in subjection you wish?
Gal 4:10 Days you watch narrowly? and moons and seasons and years?

From Bullingers...

Gal 4:3 So we also, when we were children, were enslaved under the elementary rules of the world:

Galatians 4:3

Even so we = So we also.

in bondage = enslaved. Greek. douloo App-190.

elements = elementary rules. Greek. stoicheion. Here, Gal_4:9. Col_2:8, Col_2:20. Heb_5:12. 2Pe_3:10, 2Pe_3:12. Compare Rom_2:14, Rom_2:15.

world. Greek. kosmos. App-129.

In every case the word elements (rudiments) means the beginning principles. The beginning principles of what?

Gal 4:3 So we also, when we were children, were enslaved under the elementary rules of the world]:

Bullingers App-129:

App-129

Companion Bible
Appendix #129
129. THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS FOR

"WORLD", "EARTH", ETC.

There are four Greek words which are thus translated; and it is most important that they should be, in each occurrence, carefully distinguished. They are as follows :--
1. kosmos = the world as created, ordered, and arranged. Hence it is used in the LXX for the Heb. word rendered "ornament". See Exo_33:5; Exo_33:6. Isa_49:18. Jer_4:30. Eze_7:20, &c. It denotes the opposite of what man has called "chaos", which God never created. See notes on Isa_45:18 and Gen_1:2 : for the Heb. bara' means not only to create, but that what was created was beautiful. The root, meaning to carve, plane, polish, implies both order and beauty. Cp. Ap. 146.

So we are talking about the rudimentary principles of the worldly society around us.

If you are going to lift verses out of context and twist them, be careful...

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given to him wrote to you;
2Pe 3:16 As in all his epistles also, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable strain, as they do [in] the other Scriptures also, unto their own destruction.

Wresting such passages to uphold Hagar and then boasting in her slavery makes you profoundly ignorant of the true Gospel.

Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? (Gal 4:21)

Bondwoman or freewoman?

Rae has chosen the slave yet Paul speaks to the free.

TGG

Profound. I have been waiting for an explanation on this verse. I knew it had nothing to do with the Sabbath, but you're understanding just opened it up more. And thank you for researching the words as well.

There may come a time when you may also have to cease speaking to them. Stay in prayer, run the race with patience.

Rom 14:5

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. each one should be fully convinced in his own mind

In this case the weaker brother or sister (Rae) does something and the stronger does not.

The observance of special days such as the Sabbath is a matter of indifference, personal preference. None may impose the keeping of days on another as a requisite to salvation: Gal 4:10,11; 5:1-4; Col 2:13-17.

Learn what this meaneth in submission to God words.

 

[Raeneske]

Wresting such passages to uphold Hagar and then boasting in her slavery makes you profoundly ignorant of the true Gospel.

Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? (Gal 4:21)

Bondwoman or freewoman?

Rae has chosen the slave yet Paul speaks to the free.

TGG





Rom 14:5

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. each one should be fully convinced in his own mind

In this case the weaker brother or sister (Rae) does something and the stronger does not.

The observance of special days such as the Sabbath is a matter of indifference, personal preference. None may impose the keeping of days on another as a requisite to salvation: Gal 4:10,11; 5:1-4; Col 2:13-17.

Learn what this meaneth in submission to God words.

Why do you insist on pulling scripture out of context to prove your points? Are we not exhorted, to not handle the word of God deceitfully? The verses you claim need to be seen so much, need to be read so much, you yourself will not read them in context.

 

[Thegoodground]

Why do you insist on pulling scripture out of context to prove your points? Are we not exhorted, to not handle the word of God deceitfully? The verses you claim need to be seen so much, need to be read so much, you yourself will not read them in context.

You offer nothing?

The context is correct in each case - you desire "Haggar" while those who offer you "Sarah" are claimed to be reading out of context.

Allow Hagar to be sent out (of your mind) and accept willingly Sarah.

Once you have done this return with a measure of humility and willingness to be taught a greater truth.

TGG

 

[Raeneske]

You offer nothing?

The context is correct in each case - you desire "Haggar" while those who offer you "Sarah" are claimed to be reading out of context.

Allow Hagar to be sent out (of your mind) and accept willingly Sarah.

Once you have done this return with a measure of humility and willingness to be taught a greater truth.

TGG

No sir, I believe you have been shown each time, that what you desire scripture to say is out of context. I withdrew from Hebrews 4, realizing that in context it did not appear to be tallking about the 7th Day Sabbath.

You refuse to withdraw your opinions regarding other sabbaths, and refuse to make the distinction between the Seventh Day Sabbath placed in the Moral Law, and the sabbaths which are seperated from that. Leviticus Chapter 23, and you will see even Moses showed the split.

For as long as you continue to class 10 commandments with ceremonial laws, you will be unable to see and understand what I am trying to convey. Until you make that distinction, I cannot prove to you anything. It is evident, there is a law that was not destroyed, and there was one that was destroyed. There was one that shall not change, and there was one that was nailed to the cross. Until that distinction is made, you will continue to class every single law all together, as a lump. Rightfully divide the Word of God TGG.

 

[John_8:32]

No sir, I believe you have been shown each time, that what you desire scripture to say is out of context. I withdrew from Hebrews 4, realizing that in context it did not appear to be tallking about the 7th Day Sabbath.

For the most of the chapter it is not talking about the seventh day Sabbath, but rather entering the rest of God that will come when the Kingdom of God is established, but, verse 9 uses a word that is entirely different from the katapausis used in the other verses. The word used here is Sabbatismos and does mean the seventh day Sabbath and refers back to verse 4.

You refuse to withdraw your opinions regarding other sabbaths, and refuse to make the distinction between the Seventh Day Sabbath placed in the Moral Law, and the sabbaths which are seperated from that. Leviticus Chapter 23, and you will see even Moses showed the split.

For as long as you continue to class 10 commandments with ceremonial laws, you will be unable to see and understand what I am trying to convey. Until you make that distinction, I cannot prove to you anything. It is evident, there is a law that was not destroyed, and there was one that was destroyed. There was one that shall not change, and there was one that was nailed to the cross. Until that distinction is made, you will continue to class every single law all together, as a lump. Rightfully divide the Word of God TGG.

 

[Thegoodground]

No sir, I believe you have been shown each time, that what you desire scripture to say is out of context. I withdrew from Hebrews 4, realizing that in context it did not appear to be tallking about the 7th Day Sabbath.

It appears you have been corrected.

No sir, I believe you have been shown each time, that what you desire scripture to say is out of context. I withdrew from Hebrews 4, realizing that in context it did not appear to be tallking about the 7th Day Sabbath.

You refuse to withdraw your opinions regarding other sabbaths, and refuse to make the distinction between the Seventh Day Sabbath placed in the Moral Law, and the sabbaths which are seperated from that. Leviticus Chapter 23, and you will see even Moses showed the split.

For as long as you continue to class 10 commandments with ceremonial laws, you will be unable to see and understand what I am trying to convey. Until you make that distinction, I cannot prove to you anything. It is evident, there is a law that was not destroyed, and there was one that was destroyed. There was one that shall not change, and there was one that was nailed to the cross. Until that distinction is made, you will continue to class every single law all together, as a lump. Rightfully divide the Word of God TGG.

But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. (Acts 15:5)

Was the Sabbath Law part of the Law of Moses?
Do you believe a baby boy ought to be circumcised on the 8th day also?

Lets read on shall we.

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: (Acts 15:11-13)

They were not called to keep days, Laws or circumcise their children.

through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved

NOT LAW!!!!!

Of course all the commands of Christ are found in obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ but never a wriiten code as you put forward.

The irony of your position is this:

God is TAKING for Himself a people FROM THE GENTILES:

The Jews were practically Gentiles in Egypt and do you think for a moment they kept the Sabbath as slaves? And yet they were given another master who conintually told them they were sinners, however like yourself, you would remain in bondage to a written code?

You are a hybrid, hand picking Laws that suit your mode of religion.

...through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved.

Jer 31:32

The Sabbath Law was part of the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant: See Exo 34:27,28; 25:16,21. The Old Covenant, with all that is fundamental to it, was abolished in Christ, "the end of the law" (Rom 10:4), and replaced with a new covenant: Heb 8:6-13.

How about you speak to the New Covenant and the divine principles contained within? And cease from speaking to a covenant which has perished. The command is just and good but the agreement is gone for ever...try changing your language to the New rather than the Old.

 

[Raeneske]

It appears you have been corrected.



But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. (Acts 15:5)

Was the Sabbath Law part of the Law of Moses?
Do you believe a baby boy ought to be circumcised on the 8th day also?

Lets read on shall we.

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: (Acts 15:11-13)

They were not called to keep days, Laws or circumcise their children.

through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved

NOT LAW!!!!!

Of course all the commands of Christ are found in obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ but never a wriiten code as you put forward.

The irony of your position is this:

God is TAKING for Himself a people FROM THE GENTILES:

The Jews were practically Gentiles in Egypt and do you think for a moment they kept the Sabbath as slaves? And yet they were given another master who conintually told them they were sinners, however like yourself, you would remain in bondage to a written code?

You are a hybrid, hand picking Laws that suit your mode of religion.

...through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved.

Jer 31:32

The Sabbath Law was part of the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant: See Exo 34:27,28; 25:16,21. The Old Covenant, with all that is fundamental to it, was abolished in Christ, "the end of the law" (Rom 10:4), and replaced with a new covenant: Heb 8:6-13.

How about you speak to the New Covenant and the divine principles contained within? And cease from speaking to a covenant which has perished. The command is just and good but the agreement is gone for ever...try changing your language to the New rather than the Old.

Corrected in what regards? To what John said? If what John said was true, then this puts a giant hole in your theology:

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

If I've been corrected, you are in trouble, because this verse says rest is Sabbatismos, meaning a keeping Sabbath which still remains for the people of God. You then would have an explicit statement to keep the Sabbath Commandment. Explicit indeed.

Why do you ask these questions TGG? You already know my answer. Again, unless the split between the 10 Commandments, and ceremonial law is made, you will continue to class and toss away everything. I have already tried to show you a split, in two posts at least. I can go no further, I have posted all the evidence presented to me. That will be up to someone else.

Also, we are not trying to be justified by the law. I don't keep the Sabbath, nor any of the commandments to get saved. I keep them, I obey, because I am saved. That's all there is. I obey not for merit, but out of love. Period. Any other accusation tossed around is simply that, an accusation, strawman arguements, with nothing to support them. I have specifically told you why I keep the Sabbath, why I am obediant to the 10 Commandments. Any other accusation as why I'm keeping it is simply that, an accusation.

 

[Thegoodground]

Corrected in what regards? To what John said? If what John said was true, then this puts a giant hole in your theology:

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

So you quote a Scripture which teaches you a Sabbath is yet to come and is in fact afar off?

So if Christ laboured to enter that rest and we labour to enter that rest what are you keeping every week?

But a shadow! nothing more!

In the Apostle Pauls eyes you are a weaker believer for doing so as you fail to understand the position the elect now have in Christ, or should I say in the Lord of the Sabbath.

If I've been corrected, you are in trouble, because this verse says rest is Sabbatismos, meaning a keeping Sabbath which still remains for the people of God. You then would have an explicit statement to keep the Sabbath Commandment. Explicit indeed.

No trouble here Rae...and in terms of this subject you are not so much in trouble either...as I have clearly taught you concerning those who desire to keep days, weeks, months and years. The Sabbath commandment is no different to any of the commandments for each of them has their spiritual principles elucidated in Christ Jesus.

Try looking in him and see the time of keeping days are well behind us!

Why do you ask these questions TGG? You already know my answer.

What you are doing is the same as the pharisee in Acts 15 - you can see this but you are not willing to admit with honesty.

Again, unless the split between the 10 Commandments, and ceremonial law is made, you will continue to class and toss away everything.

The Law is no more!

I don't keep the Sabbath, nor any of the commandments to get saved.

You dont get it...you cannot keep the Sabbath and whoever convince you you can has decieved.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he/she is guilty of all.
(Jas 2:10)

You have failed the whole Law and yet you believe it can be kept?

I keep them, I obey, because I am saved.

No, you keep them because the denomination you attend told you to do so and twisted Scripture to convince you...they are gainsayers!

That's all there is. I obey not for merit, but out of love. Period.

Greater love is avaliable to you if you throw off the shackles!

Any other accusation tossed around is simply that, an accusation, strawman arguements, with nothing to support them.

No strawman - good solid Bible teachings but you refuse to open your ears.

I have specifically told you why I keep the Sabbath, why I am obediant to the 10 Commandments. Any other accusation as why I'm keeping it is simply that, an accusation.

We established the 10 Commandments made up the OT covenant and yet those commandments in that form are no more. Matt 22:40

On these two hang all the Law AND the prophets.

Wow! Sabbath inlcuded!

 

[marksman]

You dont get it...you cannot keep the Sabbath and whoever convince you you can has decieved.

That is Paul by the way who has deceived us.

1Cor 16:1 And about the collection for the saints, as I charged the assemblies of Galatia, so also you do. 1Cor 16:2 On one of the sabbaths, let each of you put by himself, storing up whatever he is prospered, that there not be collections then when I come.

 

[Raeneske]

That is Paul by the way who has deceived us.

1Cor 16:1 And about the collection for the saints, as I charged the assemblies of Galatia, so also you do. 1Cor 16:2 On one of the sabbaths, let each of you put by himself, storing up whatever he is prospered, that there not be collections then when I come.

I'm almost %100 sure scripture does not say that...

 

[John_8:32]

I'm almost 0 sure scripture does not say that...

I am absolutely sure it does not say this, from the Diaglott...

1Co 16:2 Every first of week each one of you by itself let him place, treasuring up, what thing he may be prospered; so that not when I may come, then collections may be made.


New International Version (©1984)
On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

New Living Translation (©2007)
On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once.

English Standard Version (©2001)
On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
On the first day of the week, each of you is to set something aside and save in keeping with how he prospers, so that no collections will need to be made when I come.

International Standard Version (©2012)
After the Sabbath ends, each of you should set aside and save something from your surplus in proportion to what you have, so that no collections will have to be made when I arrive.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Every Sunday each of you should set aside some of your money and save it. Then money won't have to be collected when I come.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

American King James Version
On the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

American Standard Version
Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

Douay-Rheims Bible
On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him; that when I come, the collections be not then to be made.

Darby Bible Translation
On the first of the week let each of you put by at home, laying up in whatever degree he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.

English Revised Version
Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

Webster's Bible Translation
Upon the first day of the week, let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no collections when I come.

Weymouth New Testament
On the first day of every week let each of you put on one side and store up at his home whatever gain has been granted to him; so that whenever I come, there may then be no collections going on.

World English Bible
On the first day of the week, let each one of you save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

Young's Literal Translation
on every first day of the week, let each one of you lay by him, treasuring up whatever he may have prospered, that when I may come then collections may not be made;

 

[Raeneske]

I am absolutely sure it does not say this, from the Diaglott...

1Co 16:2 Every first of week each one of you by itself let him place, treasuring up, what thing he may be prospered; so that not when I may come, then collections may be made.


New International Version (©1984)
On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

New Living Translation (©2007)
On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once.

English Standard Version (©2001)
On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
On the first day of the week, each of you is to set something aside and save in keeping with how he prospers, so that no collections will need to be made when I come.

International Standard Version (©2012)
After the Sabbath ends, each of you should set aside and save something from your surplus in proportion to what you have, so that no collections will have to be made when I arrive.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Every Sunday each of you should set aside some of your money and save it. Then money won't have to be collected when I come.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

American King James Version
On the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

American Standard Version
Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

Douay-Rheims Bible
On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him; that when I come, the collections be not then to be made.

Darby Bible Translation
On the first of the week let each of you put by at home, laying up in whatever degree he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.

English Revised Version
Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

Webster's Bible Translation
Upon the first day of the week, let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no collections when I come.

Weymouth New Testament
On the first day of every week let each of you put on one side and store up at his home whatever gain has been granted to him; so that whenever I come, there may then be no collections going on.

World English Bible
On the first day of the week, let each one of you save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

Young's Literal Translation
on every first day of the week, let each one of you lay by him, treasuring up whatever he may have prospered, that when I may come then collections may not be made;

I said almost 100 percent sure. Why does your quote of me, say zero percent?

 

[Axehead]

Corrected in what regards? To what John said? If what John said was true, then this puts a giant hole in your theology:

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

If I've been corrected, you are in trouble, because this verse says rest is Sabbatismos, meaning a keeping Sabbath which still remains for the people of God. You then would have an explicit statement to keep the Sabbath Commandment. Explicit indeed.

Why do you ask these questions TGG? You already know my answer. Again, unless the split between the 10 Commandments, and ceremonial law is made, you will continue to class and toss away everything. I have already tried to show you a split, in two posts at least. I can go no further, I have posted all the evidence presented to me. That will be up to someone else.

Also, we are not trying to be justified by the law. I don't keep the Sabbath, nor any of the commandments to get saved. I keep them, I obey, because I am saved. That's all there is. I obey not for merit, but out of love. Period. Any other accusation tossed around is simply that, an accusation, strawman arguements, with nothing to support them. I have specifically told you why I keep the Sabbath, why I am obediant to the 10 Commandments. Any other accusation as why I'm keeping it is simply that, an accusation.

Paul was rightfully suspicious of those that boasted in the law or their own obedience and we should be, also. Notice, that Christ is always diminished while they boast in their own obedience.

Ephesians 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Those who brag about their obedience never mention their own disobedience otherwise they would be forced to boast in The Lord.

I don't believe I have ever heard of a more foolish thing than bragging about one's "obedience".

1 Corinthians 1:31
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

 

[Raeneske]

Paul was rightfully suspicious of those that boasted in the law or their own obedience and we should be, also. Notice, that Christ is always diminished while they boast in their own obedience.

Ephesians 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Those who brag about their obedience never mention their own disobedience otherwise they would be forced to boast in The Lord.

I don't believe I have ever heard of a more foolish thing than bragging about one's "obedience".

1 Corinthians 1:31
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

There are those who boast of their obedience to the law. My question is however, how is telling you that Christ enables me to keep the Sabbath, boasting (if that's what you're implying)? You couldn't help but look upon a woman with lust before you were saved yes? Christ helps us keep the Sabbath, not just the letter, but the Spirit as well.

Simple consistency my friend. You literally keep "Thou shalt not kill" as you spiritually keep it as well. That is why you will find me literally keeping the Sabbath, and spiritually. Christ enabled me to do better than outwardly showing keeping the Sabbath.

Is it, that when someone says, "I can do this" they are boasting? Should we better word it, "Christ has enabled me to do this"? Will that help remove the idea that we are working for our Salvation?