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I think we are all aware by now that the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.But God in his love for man set forth rules that if they are followed would allow us to live happier and healthier lives.You need one day out of the week to rest.
Most Christians believe that Christ became our Passover, our sacrifice, and our Sabbath.
"Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28).
Everyday in Christ is our Sabbath, He is our peace and rest. The Sabbath Day foreshadowed
Christ. JMO
"Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28).
Everyday in Christ is our Sabbath, He is our peace and rest. The Sabbath Day foreshadowed
Christ. JMO
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
I don't believe Josh is asking us how do we assemble each week but how do we live out the Sabbath Rest of Christ each day.
Would that be correct, Josh or do you think the "Sabbath Rest" has to do with Day(s) of the week rather than with Christ's rest?
Here are some more scriptures:
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Axehead
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
I don't believe Josh is asking us how do we assemble each week but how do we live out the Sabbath Rest of Christ each day.
Would that be correct, Josh or do you think the "Sabbath Rest" has to do with Day(s) of the week rather than with Christ's rest?
Here are some more scriptures:
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Axehead
Mark 2:27 - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
This is true, the Sabbath was made for you and I, not man for the Sabbath. But it is not a point to be disregarded.
Exodus 20:8-11
[sup]8 [/sup]Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[sup]9 [/sup]Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[sup]10 [/sup]But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[sup]11 [/sup]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The key point often missed here, is God says to Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Does remember, mean "Actually, just forget about it"? Those who understand the obediance to the 10 Commandments required, will understand that this is the law that they have been transgressing continually. Continual, habitual, sin, is working iniquity.
1 John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
When you sin, you are transgressing the law of God. The Sabbath is part of the law of God, it is one of the 10 Commandments. To purposely break this commandment, is to sin.
Colossians 2:16-17
[sup]16 [/sup]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[sup]17 [/sup]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Often this is regarded as the commandment. But, where in the 10 commandments, is it mentioned of a "meat or drink"? Where in the Sabbath commandment, is that mentioned? There are TWO types of Sabbaths. There is the weekly Sabbath, and there is yearly Sabbaths that Israel of old used to observe. This is refering to the yearly Sabbaths, which were a shadow of things to come. These yearly sabbaths, or "feast days" as they are referred to today, are the sabbaths which were a "a shadow of things to come". The 7th Day Sabbath was sanctified (set apart for holy use) in CREATION week. This was before the fall, as was marriage before the fall. So, it is impossible for the 7th Day Sabbath to point to the cross. It points back to creation week. These yearly sabbaths represnted what Christ would do for us. They were literally a shadow, pointing to the cross. Once the cross came, these things are ended. Therefore, let no man judge you in these yearly sabbaths. However, was he referring to the commandment? No, he was NOT. As we know Revelation 22:14 says those that keep the commandments have right to the tree of life, and Revelation 14:12 says the Saints of Jesus have faith in Jesus AND keep the commandments of God. There is obviously a split. Does the Bible make this split? Indeed it does.
Leviticus 23:23-37
[sup]23 [/sup]And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
[sup]24 [/sup]Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
[sup]25 [/sup]Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
[sup]26 [/sup]And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
[sup]27 [/sup]Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
[sup]28 [/sup]And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.
[sup]29 [/sup]For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
[sup]30 [/sup]And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
[sup]31 [/sup]Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[sup]32 [/sup]It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
[sup]33 [/sup]And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
[sup]34 [/sup]Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord.
[sup]35 [/sup]On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[sup]36 [/sup]Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
[sup]37 [/sup]These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
Those are 5 sabbaths, within a set of 15 days. So, surely those already bear a difference between the 7th day weekly Sabbath. But there is more. As Moses finishes describing the yearly sabbaths that Israel is to keep he finishes off saying "These are the feast of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations" etc. Not only that, but it mentions the same meat and drink as did in Colossians. After Moses explains these feast days, he says something else.
[sup]38 [/sup]Beside the sabbaths of the Lord, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the Lord.
All these "feast days' were just described. Moses then proceeds to say, after explaining the feast days, and that which they shall offer, he then says these are besides the Sabbaths of the Lord thy God! In other words: There is a distinction between the weekly sabbath, and the yearly sabbaths. He mentions they also still have their duty to keep the weekly sabbath, these yearly sabbaths do not nullify the sabbath, or any freewill offering, or vows.
Hebrews 4:4-9
[sup]4 [/sup]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[sup]5 [/sup]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[sup]6 [/sup]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[sup]7 [/sup]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[sup]8 [/sup]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[sup]9 [/sup]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
In this passage, it's saying God spake of the seventh day. It then asks, if Jesus had given them rest, which most Christians claim today that "Jesus gives us rest" wouldnt he not afterwards have spoken of ANOTHER day? What is ANOTHER day? A day, that is not the Sabbath, as most Christians keep Sunday. But did Jesus tell us to keep Sunday? Or did his teachings show that we must keep the Sabbath? As a matter of fact, Christ showed the proper way to keep the Sabbath, and rebuked the Pharisees for their unbelief, and their legalism. Now, Hebrews 4:9 says there remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. But to understand what that is saying, we have to take a little bit closer look at that words rest. That word REST, in the original greek word, is SABBATISMOS (Strongs 4520), which means - A keeping Sabbath. Meaning "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day? There remaineth therefore a keeping sabbath to the people of God." Hebrews 4:10 says let us labor to enter into that rest. How do you labor to enter into the Sabbath? Well, work throughout the six days, and make sure you prepare on the 6th day, that way you can rest on the Seventh Day, as scripture demands.
Romans 14:5 - One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Is this saying that it doesn't matter what day we keep the Sabbath? It cannot be saying that, because it would be utterly contradicting the Bible, and we know that the Word of God does not contradict. Would Paul utterly contradict the Bible? No! This is referring to doubtful disputations, like the Jews trying to force the gentiles in that area to keep the yearly sabbaths. Keeping the 10 commandments is not something that is to be a "doubtful disputation". The Law of God is honorable, it's mandatory, it shows us where we have messed up. It also, is the standard of righteousness for the Character. It's what Jesus enables us fleshly people to do. The Spirit is imparted in us, and we are enabled to keep the commandments, and those that walk in the Spirit will keep the commandments. But is it really them? Sure, they are willing to keep the Law of God, but they cannot. Thus, the Divine AIDS the will, so that humans walk in the will of the Divine. Keeping the Law of God is not a "doubtful" disputation. We must not pick up the Law of God, declaring one portion of it important, and the other portion of it not so important. It is stated that "Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, is guilty of all". Our works will show that we have faith, and show whom we honor and worship. No, works will not save us, but it is the outward show of obediance. Keeping the Sabbath is an outward show of obediance to God. Choosing to reject the Sabbath commandment and never repenting of such is "willfull sin" (Hebrews 10:26). And that willfull sin then says we have no more sacrifice for our sins.
Now, am I saying Jesus does not give us rest? No, I am not. Jesus does give us rest. But when was rest given, that nullified a direct command of God? Naomi seeked rest for her daughter (Ruth 3:1). The Lord gave people rest, on every side, that no adversary came after them (1 Kings 5:4) The Lord also gave rest to the People of Israel (1 Kings 8:56) The fear of God entered all the kingdoms and countries, so Jehoshaphat got rest (2 Chronicles 20:29-30). The Lord would fight the battles for the people, and the people rested on the words of Hezekiah the king of Judah (2 Chronicles 32:8). And even after giving Israel rest, they still rebelled at times, but God still blessed them, according to his mercy (Nehemiah 9:28).
All these people received, most received rest from God. Did it nullify the Sabbath commandment? No! So when Jesus says he will give us rest, does he nullify the Commandments of His Father? No! He will take the punishment for us of sinning, if we choose not to sin anymore, yes. But that doesn't loosen the obligation of keeping the Law of God. So when Jesus says he will give us rest, it doesn't mean you won't have to obey anymore. Have you ever gone through a terrible trial? When you pray to God, in Jesus name, what happens? Do you get rest? Now that you laid all your fears, all things you dislike, all your trials in front of God, you're free. You may have to go through trials, yes, but you know your Father is there, listening to you, protecting you during your trial. You have been given rest of all your fears. You don't have to worry about "How do I feed my family, what shall I clothe my family with". Why? Cause Jesus gives you rest. For obediance, our Father bestows blessings upon us.
Revelation 14:7 - Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
There are over 400 (408 I believe) verses in Revelation. 278 of them, are found in other places in the Bible - The Bible defines itself PERFECTLY. So, when the Angel in this message is telling us "Worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the fountains of waters", the message is pointing back to Commandment number 4. Parts of Commandment #4 are found in this message. Who made Heaven, the earth, and all that in them is? That's simple - Look back to Creation week, and Look at the 4th Commandment. The LORD made us. REMEMBER the Sabbath, which points back to creation week. REMEMBER to keep the Sabbath Holy.
Remember...
This is true, the Sabbath was made for you and I, not man for the Sabbath. But it is not a point to be disregarded.
Exodus 20:8-11
[sup]8 [/sup]Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[sup]9 [/sup]Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[sup]10 [/sup]But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[sup]11 [/sup]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The key point often missed here, is God says to Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Does remember, mean "Actually, just forget about it"? Those who understand the obediance to the 10 Commandments required, will understand that this is the law that they have been transgressing continually. Continual, habitual, sin, is working iniquity.
1 John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
When you sin, you are transgressing the law of God. The Sabbath is part of the law of God, it is one of the 10 Commandments. To purposely break this commandment, is to sin.
Colossians 2:16-17
[sup]16 [/sup]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[sup]17 [/sup]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Often this is regarded as the commandment. But, where in the 10 commandments, is it mentioned of a "meat or drink"? Where in the Sabbath commandment, is that mentioned? There are TWO types of Sabbaths. There is the weekly Sabbath, and there is yearly Sabbaths that Israel of old used to observe. This is refering to the yearly Sabbaths, which were a shadow of things to come. These yearly sabbaths, or "feast days" as they are referred to today, are the sabbaths which were a "a shadow of things to come". The 7th Day Sabbath was sanctified (set apart for holy use) in CREATION week. This was before the fall, as was marriage before the fall. So, it is impossible for the 7th Day Sabbath to point to the cross. It points back to creation week. These yearly sabbaths represnted what Christ would do for us. They were literally a shadow, pointing to the cross. Once the cross came, these things are ended. Therefore, let no man judge you in these yearly sabbaths. However, was he referring to the commandment? No, he was NOT. As we know Revelation 22:14 says those that keep the commandments have right to the tree of life, and Revelation 14:12 says the Saints of Jesus have faith in Jesus AND keep the commandments of God. There is obviously a split. Does the Bible make this split? Indeed it does.
Leviticus 23:23-37
[sup]23 [/sup]And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
[sup]24 [/sup]Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
[sup]25 [/sup]Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
[sup]26 [/sup]And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
[sup]27 [/sup]Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
[sup]28 [/sup]And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.
[sup]29 [/sup]For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
[sup]30 [/sup]And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
[sup]31 [/sup]Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[sup]32 [/sup]It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
[sup]33 [/sup]And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
[sup]34 [/sup]Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord.
[sup]35 [/sup]On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[sup]36 [/sup]Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
[sup]37 [/sup]These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
Those are 5 sabbaths, within a set of 15 days. So, surely those already bear a difference between the 7th day weekly Sabbath. But there is more. As Moses finishes describing the yearly sabbaths that Israel is to keep he finishes off saying "These are the feast of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations" etc. Not only that, but it mentions the same meat and drink as did in Colossians. After Moses explains these feast days, he says something else.
[sup]38 [/sup]Beside the sabbaths of the Lord, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the Lord.
All these "feast days' were just described. Moses then proceeds to say, after explaining the feast days, and that which they shall offer, he then says these are besides the Sabbaths of the Lord thy God! In other words: There is a distinction between the weekly sabbath, and the yearly sabbaths. He mentions they also still have their duty to keep the weekly sabbath, these yearly sabbaths do not nullify the sabbath, or any freewill offering, or vows.
Hebrews 4:4-9
[sup]4 [/sup]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[sup]5 [/sup]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[sup]6 [/sup]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[sup]7 [/sup]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[sup]8 [/sup]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[sup]9 [/sup]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
In this passage, it's saying God spake of the seventh day. It then asks, if Jesus had given them rest, which most Christians claim today that "Jesus gives us rest" wouldnt he not afterwards have spoken of ANOTHER day? What is ANOTHER day? A day, that is not the Sabbath, as most Christians keep Sunday. But did Jesus tell us to keep Sunday? Or did his teachings show that we must keep the Sabbath? As a matter of fact, Christ showed the proper way to keep the Sabbath, and rebuked the Pharisees for their unbelief, and their legalism. Now, Hebrews 4:9 says there remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. But to understand what that is saying, we have to take a little bit closer look at that words rest. That word REST, in the original greek word, is SABBATISMOS (Strongs 4520), which means - A keeping Sabbath. Meaning "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day? There remaineth therefore a keeping sabbath to the people of God." Hebrews 4:10 says let us labor to enter into that rest. How do you labor to enter into the Sabbath? Well, work throughout the six days, and make sure you prepare on the 6th day, that way you can rest on the Seventh Day, as scripture demands.
Romans 14:5 - One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Is this saying that it doesn't matter what day we keep the Sabbath? It cannot be saying that, because it would be utterly contradicting the Bible, and we know that the Word of God does not contradict. Would Paul utterly contradict the Bible? No! This is referring to doubtful disputations, like the Jews trying to force the gentiles in that area to keep the yearly sabbaths. Keeping the 10 commandments is not something that is to be a "doubtful disputation". The Law of God is honorable, it's mandatory, it shows us where we have messed up. It also, is the standard of righteousness for the Character. It's what Jesus enables us fleshly people to do. The Spirit is imparted in us, and we are enabled to keep the commandments, and those that walk in the Spirit will keep the commandments. But is it really them? Sure, they are willing to keep the Law of God, but they cannot. Thus, the Divine AIDS the will, so that humans walk in the will of the Divine. Keeping the Law of God is not a "doubtful" disputation. We must not pick up the Law of God, declaring one portion of it important, and the other portion of it not so important. It is stated that "Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, is guilty of all". Our works will show that we have faith, and show whom we honor and worship. No, works will not save us, but it is the outward show of obediance. Keeping the Sabbath is an outward show of obediance to God. Choosing to reject the Sabbath commandment and never repenting of such is "willfull sin" (Hebrews 10:26). And that willfull sin then says we have no more sacrifice for our sins.
Now, am I saying Jesus does not give us rest? No, I am not. Jesus does give us rest. But when was rest given, that nullified a direct command of God? Naomi seeked rest for her daughter (Ruth 3:1). The Lord gave people rest, on every side, that no adversary came after them (1 Kings 5:4) The Lord also gave rest to the People of Israel (1 Kings 8:56) The fear of God entered all the kingdoms and countries, so Jehoshaphat got rest (2 Chronicles 20:29-30). The Lord would fight the battles for the people, and the people rested on the words of Hezekiah the king of Judah (2 Chronicles 32:8). And even after giving Israel rest, they still rebelled at times, but God still blessed them, according to his mercy (Nehemiah 9:28).
All these people received, most received rest from God. Did it nullify the Sabbath commandment? No! So when Jesus says he will give us rest, does he nullify the Commandments of His Father? No! He will take the punishment for us of sinning, if we choose not to sin anymore, yes. But that doesn't loosen the obligation of keeping the Law of God. So when Jesus says he will give us rest, it doesn't mean you won't have to obey anymore. Have you ever gone through a terrible trial? When you pray to God, in Jesus name, what happens? Do you get rest? Now that you laid all your fears, all things you dislike, all your trials in front of God, you're free. You may have to go through trials, yes, but you know your Father is there, listening to you, protecting you during your trial. You have been given rest of all your fears. You don't have to worry about "How do I feed my family, what shall I clothe my family with". Why? Cause Jesus gives you rest. For obediance, our Father bestows blessings upon us.
Revelation 14:7 - Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
There are over 400 (408 I believe) verses in Revelation. 278 of them, are found in other places in the Bible - The Bible defines itself PERFECTLY. So, when the Angel in this message is telling us "Worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the fountains of waters", the message is pointing back to Commandment number 4. Parts of Commandment #4 are found in this message. Who made Heaven, the earth, and all that in them is? That's simple - Look back to Creation week, and Look at the 4th Commandment. The LORD made us. REMEMBER the Sabbath, which points back to creation week. REMEMBER to keep the Sabbath Holy.
Remember...
Keep the sabbath, keep the law never given to you, forget the work that Christ has done for the law nullifys it all. Yes teh law was never given to us gentiles who came to Christ under grace, Live by the law, die by the law and be judged by the law, the law only leads to death for there is no other payment for sin but death. Under grace Jesus has already paid the price ,so you must choose, the law which is not yours, pleases the flesh for it requires your works, or Grace which was covered by our Lords work.
It is written,
Deu_30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Your choose, whom do you please yourself or God.
In All His Love
It is written,
Deu_30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Your choose, whom do you please yourself or God.
In All His Love
The Ten Commandments were part of the Law of Moses, given to the Jews.
Christians are not under the Law of Moses.
We are not obliged to keep the Saturday Sabbath.
The Jews had to remember to keep the Sabbath because it was the sign of their Covenant (Ex 31:12-13, 16-17)
We have a new and better Covenant
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:26 KJV)
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:20 KJV)
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. (James 2:17 KJV)
So far as the Bible is concerned, faith, if it hath not works, is dead. You're not justified by your works, it is by faith you are justified. But, how can you show your faith, without works? Prove you love your family without any works. This is why Jesus says, "These people worship me with their lips, but their heart is far from me". You can say anything you want with your lips, but you must prove you love Christ. How? By your works. Your works show that you have faith in Him. Keeping the Law, is part of the works. I don't keep the commandments to get saved. I keep them, because I am saved. When I accepted Christ, he put his law in our hearts, as he said he would. He also gave us His spirit. Now we know to keep the commandments, because we walk by faith, and in the Spirit. Christ's spirit can keep the law, so if we walk in the spirit we can keep the law. Does not the word also say, we are to walk as He walked? It was His custom to go into the synagogues on the Sabbath Day.
Does not the Bible also say, he who teaches the commandments, and does them shall be called great in Heaven? Why are the Saints the ones who keep the Commandments of God, and have faith in Jesus? Why are those who keep the commadments blessed that they may eat from the tree of life? And did Christ come to destroy God's law? Did a jot or tittle change? No, and no.
Now of course, we are under grace.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:14, 15 KJV)
If sin is the transgression of law (1 John 3:4), then transgressing the law of God shall not have dominion over us. Satan, who transgressed God's law, wants us to transgress God's law as well. Satan had dominion over us. But now that we have Christ, Satan shall not have dominion over us. We are not under the law, but under grace. To be under the law, means to be under the penalty of the law. To keep it, is a blessing, to sin - to break it is to be under the curse of the law (Daniel 9:11). Christ redeemed us from the curse, being made a curse for us.
Now it asks, what then, shall we sin (break God's law) because we are under grace? God forbid! In other words - Just because you're under grace, is no excuse to break God's law.
Here's an example of being under the law. Say, you're caught speeding. Is there anywhere in the Law in the world that says you can receive grace? No. The breaking of the speeding law, demands a curse. What's the curse? A speeding ticket. But say you plead for mercy, and the cop gives it to you. You are now under his grace right? So, now you don't have to pay the ticket. So you are not under the law anymore, but grace. Now, when you receive mercy, do you turn on your car, and floor it, and spray gravel in the cops face? No! Now that you are under grace, you are extra careful not to speed.
If you did spray gravel in the cops face, he would chase you down, and give you a ticket. You cannot willfully break the law, because you have received grace.
It's the same with God. He gave us mercy, not so we could "spray gravel in his face" and transgress His commandments. He gave it, because He loved us. However, if you willfully choose to break God's commandments and never repent and forsake such sins, there remains no more sacrifice for your sins. Meaning, you must pay the penalty of sin. (Hebrews 10:26)
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:20 KJV)
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. (James 2:17 KJV)
So far as the Bible is concerned, faith, if it hath not works, is dead. You're not justified by your works, it is by faith you are justified. But, how can you show your faith, without works? Prove you love your family without any works. This is why Jesus says, "These people worship me with their lips, but their heart is far from me". You can say anything you want with your lips, but you must prove you love Christ. How? By your works. Your works show that you have faith in Him. Keeping the Law, is part of the works. I don't keep the commandments to get saved. I keep them, because I am saved. When I accepted Christ, he put his law in our hearts, as he said he would. He also gave us His spirit. Now we know to keep the commandments, because we walk by faith, and in the Spirit. Christ's spirit can keep the law, so if we walk in the spirit we can keep the law. Does not the word also say, we are to walk as He walked? It was His custom to go into the synagogues on the Sabbath Day.
Does not the Bible also say, he who teaches the commandments, and does them shall be called great in Heaven? Why are the Saints the ones who keep the Commandments of God, and have faith in Jesus? Why are those who keep the commadments blessed that they may eat from the tree of life? And did Christ come to destroy God's law? Did a jot or tittle change? No, and no.
Now of course, we are under grace.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:14, 15 KJV)
If sin is the transgression of law (1 John 3:4), then transgressing the law of God shall not have dominion over us. Satan, who transgressed God's law, wants us to transgress God's law as well. Satan had dominion over us. But now that we have Christ, Satan shall not have dominion over us. We are not under the law, but under grace. To be under the law, means to be under the penalty of the law. To keep it, is a blessing, to sin - to break it is to be under the curse of the law (Daniel 9:11). Christ redeemed us from the curse, being made a curse for us.
Now it asks, what then, shall we sin (break God's law) because we are under grace? God forbid! In other words - Just because you're under grace, is no excuse to break God's law.
Here's an example of being under the law. Say, you're caught speeding. Is there anywhere in the Law in the world that says you can receive grace? No. The breaking of the speeding law, demands a curse. What's the curse? A speeding ticket. But say you plead for mercy, and the cop gives it to you. You are now under his grace right? So, now you don't have to pay the ticket. So you are not under the law anymore, but grace. Now, when you receive mercy, do you turn on your car, and floor it, and spray gravel in the cops face? No! Now that you are under grace, you are extra careful not to speed.
If you did spray gravel in the cops face, he would chase you down, and give you a ticket. You cannot willfully break the law, because you have received grace.
It's the same with God. He gave us mercy, not so we could "spray gravel in his face" and transgress His commandments. He gave it, because He loved us. However, if you willfully choose to break God's commandments and never repent and forsake such sins, there remains no more sacrifice for your sins. Meaning, you must pay the penalty of sin. (Hebrews 10:26)
We are not under the Law of Moses. Jesus freed us from that.
“Christ ransomed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us” (Gal 3:13)
When you put yourself back under the Law you are no longer under grace and you have to obey the whole of the Law.
"whoever keeps the whole law, but falls short in one particular, has become guilty in respect to all of it." (Jas 2:10).
The old Law has been abolished and replaced by a new one
"When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well." (Heb 7:12)
"For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one. But he finds fault with them and says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah." (Heb 8:7-8)
"When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing" (Heb 8:13)
"In the same way, my brothers, you also were put to death to the law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, our sinful passions, awakened by the law, worked in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter." (Rom 7:4-6)
We are put to death to the Law
We are released from the Law
"Before faith came, we were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian." (Gal 3:23-25).
We are not under the Law
"For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims," (Eph 2:14-15)
The Law has been abolished.
Note also what Paul says in Galatians:
"You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." (Gal 5:4)
Can you show me where Sabbath keeping is commanded in the new Covenant?
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: (Matthew 24:20 KJV)
Why is Jesus telling Christians, that their flight is not in Winter or the Sabbath Day? This happened (this event) in 70 AD when Jerusalem was destroyed. Jesus was unmistakably teaching that yes, we Christians would be keeping His Sabbath.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, (Revelation 1:10 KJV)
Or what of John the revelator, he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. What is the Lord's Day? Some may say it's Sunday, but that's not what the WORD says.
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: (Isaiah 58:13 KJV)
John, kept the Sabbath. Besides the numerous verses that command us to keep the commandments of God in the NT, what else says "Christians, there is still a Sabbath for you".
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (Hebrews 4:4-9 KJV)
Now get this: God spake according to the Seventh Day on this topic. And again, He (God) LIMITS it to a certain day, after so long a time, harden not your hearts. He then says "IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, wouldn't he have also spoken of ANOTHER DAY"
Almost Every Christian on the planet will say "Jesus gives me rest". This verse says, if Jesus had given us rest, wouldn't he have also spoken of ANOTHER day? Watch the teachings of Christ. Did he ever preach another day was the Sabbath? Did he not say pray that you won't have to flee on Sabbath? Did he not keep the Sabbath? Was he not our Perfect Example? So - Did Jesus speak of another day? The answer is - No, He did not. So, then the next verse says, there remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. But to see what this is perfectly saying, we have to take a look at the word REST in the Strong's Concordance. That word rest, is originally the Greek Word - SABBATISMOS. That means, a keeping Sabbath. That is an explicit statement for us to keep the Sabbath.
And no, the last time I checked, the Law of Moses was written by Moses. The Law of God was written by God's own finger - in stone I might add. So that's two different things right there. Ever heard the expression, "Is it not written in stone"? The Law of God is eternal. Do you want proof the Saints of Jesus keep the commandments of God? Read Revelation 22:14 and Revelation 14:12.
To be under the law, is to be under the curse of the Law (Daniel 9:11) You are not "under the law" when you keep the law. But all have sinned, so all have been put "under the law". Now though, that we are under grace, does NOT give us an okay to keep on breaking God's Commandments.
So, let's take a look at the 10 Commandments. Since the New Age Christian claim is that we don't have to keep the Law of God (also called the law of liberty), let's run a test on that theory. Are you saying it's okay to put anything other than God first? No? That's commandment number one. Are you saying it's okay to worship idols, statues? No? That's commandment number two. Is it okay to take the Lord's name in vain? No? That's number three. What about disrespect our parents, kill, commit adultary, steal? No! Those are commandments 5, 6, 7, and 8. What about lying? "Everyone does it" is not an excuse. Revelation 22:15 says liars won't be in heaven. That's commandment 9. Commandment 10 says we shouldn't covet. So now, if all of THOSE are wrong, why isn't it wrong to break the Sabbath? That's picking and choosing the commandments you want to keep. Thats offending one point. That's only 9/10, and God says, keep them all.
Is our God, a God of "do whatever you want" Christianity? No. If you're going to be obediant to Him, He has a way He wants you to do it. We as Christians are not "above" the Law. That's sickening. God has a Heavenly Kingdom, and He has laws that govern His Kingdom. Even the Angels keep the commandments (Psalm 103:20). There cannot be sin without a law. Satan was kicked out of the Kingdom for sin wasn't he? That's the same stunt he's trying to pull on mankind, to SIN, which IS the transgression of the LAW (1 John 3:4).
True love of God, is perfect obediance. ""And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (1 John 2:3-5 KJV)"" This is how we know we know God, and are Christians. When we keep His commandments. True love does not break the Commandments of God. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and "Love God with all your heartsoul and mind" are summaries, or, brief comprehensive sayings of the 10 Commandments (Romans 13:9-10). If you love God, you won't break the 1st 4 Commandments. If you love your neighbor, you won't break the last 6.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 5:3 KJV)
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Romans 2:13 KJV)
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. (James 1:22 KJV)
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:19 KJV)
P.S. =
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (Hebrews 8:8 KJV)
God found fault with THEM (Israel). Not fault with His eternal Law (10 Commandments).
And also, being obediant is not trying to be justified by the law. If you're buddy go, "Hey let's go rob a bank" (stealing) and you say, No sorry I'm a Christian, are you trying to justify yourself by the law? No! You're doing what you should be doing, by resisting temptations to break God's law. It's the same with the Sabbath. When someone says, "Hey, let's go an party on Saturday" you say "No, sorry," are you trying to justify yourself by the law? NO! You are resisting temptation. The problem here is, someone has honestly started the lie (I wonder who) that to keep God's commandments, means you're trying to save yourself. Last time I checked, I couldn't save myself no matter what. And if my buddy says "Let's go worship this statue" I'm going to say "No" because Christ had given me the strength to effectively resist that temptation.
Why is Jesus telling Christians, that their flight is not in Winter or the Sabbath Day? This happened (this event) in 70 AD when Jerusalem was destroyed. Jesus was unmistakably teaching that yes, we Christians would be keeping His Sabbath.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, (Revelation 1:10 KJV)
Or what of John the revelator, he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. What is the Lord's Day? Some may say it's Sunday, but that's not what the WORD says.
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: (Isaiah 58:13 KJV)
John, kept the Sabbath. Besides the numerous verses that command us to keep the commandments of God in the NT, what else says "Christians, there is still a Sabbath for you".
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (Hebrews 4:4-9 KJV)
Now get this: God spake according to the Seventh Day on this topic. And again, He (God) LIMITS it to a certain day, after so long a time, harden not your hearts. He then says "IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, wouldn't he have also spoken of ANOTHER DAY"
Almost Every Christian on the planet will say "Jesus gives me rest". This verse says, if Jesus had given us rest, wouldn't he have also spoken of ANOTHER day? Watch the teachings of Christ. Did he ever preach another day was the Sabbath? Did he not say pray that you won't have to flee on Sabbath? Did he not keep the Sabbath? Was he not our Perfect Example? So - Did Jesus speak of another day? The answer is - No, He did not. So, then the next verse says, there remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. But to see what this is perfectly saying, we have to take a look at the word REST in the Strong's Concordance. That word rest, is originally the Greek Word - SABBATISMOS. That means, a keeping Sabbath. That is an explicit statement for us to keep the Sabbath.
And no, the last time I checked, the Law of Moses was written by Moses. The Law of God was written by God's own finger - in stone I might add. So that's two different things right there. Ever heard the expression, "Is it not written in stone"? The Law of God is eternal. Do you want proof the Saints of Jesus keep the commandments of God? Read Revelation 22:14 and Revelation 14:12.
To be under the law, is to be under the curse of the Law (Daniel 9:11) You are not "under the law" when you keep the law. But all have sinned, so all have been put "under the law". Now though, that we are under grace, does NOT give us an okay to keep on breaking God's Commandments.
So, let's take a look at the 10 Commandments. Since the New Age Christian claim is that we don't have to keep the Law of God (also called the law of liberty), let's run a test on that theory. Are you saying it's okay to put anything other than God first? No? That's commandment number one. Are you saying it's okay to worship idols, statues? No? That's commandment number two. Is it okay to take the Lord's name in vain? No? That's number three. What about disrespect our parents, kill, commit adultary, steal? No! Those are commandments 5, 6, 7, and 8. What about lying? "Everyone does it" is not an excuse. Revelation 22:15 says liars won't be in heaven. That's commandment 9. Commandment 10 says we shouldn't covet. So now, if all of THOSE are wrong, why isn't it wrong to break the Sabbath? That's picking and choosing the commandments you want to keep. Thats offending one point. That's only 9/10, and God says, keep them all.
Is our God, a God of "do whatever you want" Christianity? No. If you're going to be obediant to Him, He has a way He wants you to do it. We as Christians are not "above" the Law. That's sickening. God has a Heavenly Kingdom, and He has laws that govern His Kingdom. Even the Angels keep the commandments (Psalm 103:20). There cannot be sin without a law. Satan was kicked out of the Kingdom for sin wasn't he? That's the same stunt he's trying to pull on mankind, to SIN, which IS the transgression of the LAW (1 John 3:4).
True love of God, is perfect obediance. ""And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (1 John 2:3-5 KJV)"" This is how we know we know God, and are Christians. When we keep His commandments. True love does not break the Commandments of God. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and "Love God with all your heartsoul and mind" are summaries, or, brief comprehensive sayings of the 10 Commandments (Romans 13:9-10). If you love God, you won't break the 1st 4 Commandments. If you love your neighbor, you won't break the last 6.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 5:3 KJV)
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Romans 2:13 KJV)
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. (James 1:22 KJV)
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:19 KJV)
P.S. =
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (Hebrews 8:8 KJV)
God found fault with THEM (Israel). Not fault with His eternal Law (10 Commandments).
And also, being obediant is not trying to be justified by the law. If you're buddy go, "Hey let's go rob a bank" (stealing) and you say, No sorry I'm a Christian, are you trying to justify yourself by the law? No! You're doing what you should be doing, by resisting temptations to break God's law. It's the same with the Sabbath. When someone says, "Hey, let's go an party on Saturday" you say "No, sorry," are you trying to justify yourself by the law? NO! You are resisting temptation. The problem here is, someone has honestly started the lie (I wonder who) that to keep God's commandments, means you're trying to save yourself. Last time I checked, I couldn't save myself no matter what. And if my buddy says "Let's go worship this statue" I'm going to say "No" because Christ had given me the strength to effectively resist that temptation.
I have a suggestion.
You reply to the points and scripture I make and I will reply to yours.
Until then I see no point in continuing.
"You reply to the points and scripture I make and I will reply to yours."
I responded to a lot of your claims in my previous post.
When you posted Galatians 3:13, it was made evident there is a difference between God's Law (which He wrote with His finger) and the Law of Moses (which was written by Moses). I responded to that with "Ever heard, is it not written in stone?". And then I had multitude of verses that prove, we keep the Commandments of God, and not the Law of Moses (See Revelation 22:14, and Revelation 14:12).
As for James 2:10, I also responded to that. To be under the curse of the law only happens when you break it. You are not cursed for keeping the law. You are cursed when you break it. What's the curse? Death (Romans 5:23)!
As for Hebrews 7:12, this isn't referring to the 10 Commandments, especially since our Lord said He didn't come to abolish the law, that He came to fulfill. And since he refered to not a jot or tittle would change. So which law is it? The Law of Moses as so many refer to it. Also, if you read Hebrews 7:19, you would see that this law made nothing perfect. This is NOT referring to the 10 commandments, because this would be causing a multitude of contradictions throughout the word of God. Back in James 2:10, you posted something about the 10 Commandment law. When you read James 2:11, you see he is talking about the 10 commandment law. This 10 commandment law is the Royal Law according to scripture (James 2:8). He also states (James) to love thy neighbor as thyself. How do you do that? See Romans 13:9, which I said before, tells you that the last 6 commandments are "Love thy neighbor as thyself", which is a brief comprehensive saying of the 10 Commandments (Paul's words). So, this isn't referring to the 10 Commandment law. Also I stated, Look at the 10 Commandments. Will you admit, that it's wrong to break 9 out of those 10? Isn't it wrong to put another God before God, worship, take the Lord's name in vain, disrespect your parents, kill, commit adultary, steal, lie, and covet? That's 9 of the 10 Commandments. Then, declaring we don't have to keep the Sabbath is like saying "We only have to keep the whole law, except this one point" Although James tells you that that makes you guilty of all.
Hebrews 7:7-8 Was also responded to in my last post. God found fault with them. Not with himself. So He made a new covenant, that had. Yes, things changed. But did He abolish His 10 Commandments? No. He abolished the law of moses, which was contrary to them, added because of Sin, which was nailed to the cross. The 10 Commandments existed before sin. Check the angels who keep His commandments (Psalm 103:20). Abraham kept His Commandments (Genesis 26:5).
As for Romans 7:4-6, read the very next part. Romans 7:7 says that the Law (10 Commandments) is not sin. Now Romans 7:12 says that the Law is HOLY and the commandments are HOLY, and JUST and GOOD. Romans 7:22 also says Paul delights in the Law of God. He then also says in Romans 7:25 that he SERVES THE LAW OF GOD. Yes, you are dead to the law. That doesn't mean you don't have to keep it. That means that Christ died for you, and I. The Law will not kill you, because Christ did that for you. But does that mean you may WILLFULLY break the 10 Commandments now? No (Hebrews 10:26)! Yes, we walk in the newness of spirit, and not the obselete letter. But the Spirit keeps the letter as well. Jesus showed us that. The obselete letter of thou shalt not kill, is not to kill. But what's the spirit? Don't even let the sun go down on your wrath, do not be angry with your brother. What about adultery? The letter is "do not commit adultary". What's the spirit of the law? Do not even look at a woman lustfully. When you're keeping the Spirit, you'll also be observing the letter. That's why we walk in the newness of Spirit, and not the oldness of the letter.
As for Galatians 3:23-25 this is still not declaring the 10 Commandments obselete. The Law is out schoolmaster. As a matter of fact, I see this two ways. The 10 Commandments, points out sin. But the Law of Moses, pointed to Jesus. Their yearly sabbaths, pointed to Jesus. After Christ came, there is no more need for the continual sacrifices, that portrayed the death of Christ. The daily sacrifices pointed to Jesus.
As for Ephesians 2:14-15 it itself points out it's not refering to the 10 commandments. It says the commandments contained in ordinances. The Law of God was written in STONE. God's Law is ETERNAL, and the Law of Moses was added because of sin. Remember Cain? He broke a commandment of God. God made it a point to point out to Cain that with his anger, sin lied at the DOOR (Genesis 4:6). You can't have sin, where there is no law. God's eternal law, was very clearly in play, from the very beginning.
As for Galatians 5:4, I agree. Anyone who is trying to be saved by the law, will not be saved. Christ did that for us. But keeping the law, is not trying to be saved by the law. There is a ton of difference between the two.
My last bit, Galatians 5:13-14 For, brethern, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
It calls us to liberty! What is the law of Liberty? James 2:12 shows the 10 commandments is the law of liberty. Also, Paul says all this is fulfilled in one word. Love thy neighbor as thyself. What does it mean to love they neighbor as thyself? Paul shows you (Romans 13:9). That means not to break the commandments, 5-10 (do not disrespect parents, nor kill, nor commit adultary, nor steal, nor lie, nor covet) - because if you do these things, you do NOT truly love your neighbor.
I responded to a lot of your claims in my previous post.
When you posted Galatians 3:13, it was made evident there is a difference between God's Law (which He wrote with His finger) and the Law of Moses (which was written by Moses). I responded to that with "Ever heard, is it not written in stone?". And then I had multitude of verses that prove, we keep the Commandments of God, and not the Law of Moses (See Revelation 22:14, and Revelation 14:12).
As for James 2:10, I also responded to that. To be under the curse of the law only happens when you break it. You are not cursed for keeping the law. You are cursed when you break it. What's the curse? Death (Romans 5:23)!
As for Hebrews 7:12, this isn't referring to the 10 Commandments, especially since our Lord said He didn't come to abolish the law, that He came to fulfill. And since he refered to not a jot or tittle would change. So which law is it? The Law of Moses as so many refer to it. Also, if you read Hebrews 7:19, you would see that this law made nothing perfect. This is NOT referring to the 10 commandments, because this would be causing a multitude of contradictions throughout the word of God. Back in James 2:10, you posted something about the 10 Commandment law. When you read James 2:11, you see he is talking about the 10 commandment law. This 10 commandment law is the Royal Law according to scripture (James 2:8). He also states (James) to love thy neighbor as thyself. How do you do that? See Romans 13:9, which I said before, tells you that the last 6 commandments are "Love thy neighbor as thyself", which is a brief comprehensive saying of the 10 Commandments (Paul's words). So, this isn't referring to the 10 Commandment law. Also I stated, Look at the 10 Commandments. Will you admit, that it's wrong to break 9 out of those 10? Isn't it wrong to put another God before God, worship, take the Lord's name in vain, disrespect your parents, kill, commit adultary, steal, lie, and covet? That's 9 of the 10 Commandments. Then, declaring we don't have to keep the Sabbath is like saying "We only have to keep the whole law, except this one point" Although James tells you that that makes you guilty of all.
Hebrews 7:7-8 Was also responded to in my last post. God found fault with them. Not with himself. So He made a new covenant, that had. Yes, things changed. But did He abolish His 10 Commandments? No. He abolished the law of moses, which was contrary to them, added because of Sin, which was nailed to the cross. The 10 Commandments existed before sin. Check the angels who keep His commandments (Psalm 103:20). Abraham kept His Commandments (Genesis 26:5).
As for Romans 7:4-6, read the very next part. Romans 7:7 says that the Law (10 Commandments) is not sin. Now Romans 7:12 says that the Law is HOLY and the commandments are HOLY, and JUST and GOOD. Romans 7:22 also says Paul delights in the Law of God. He then also says in Romans 7:25 that he SERVES THE LAW OF GOD. Yes, you are dead to the law. That doesn't mean you don't have to keep it. That means that Christ died for you, and I. The Law will not kill you, because Christ did that for you. But does that mean you may WILLFULLY break the 10 Commandments now? No (Hebrews 10:26)! Yes, we walk in the newness of spirit, and not the obselete letter. But the Spirit keeps the letter as well. Jesus showed us that. The obselete letter of thou shalt not kill, is not to kill. But what's the spirit? Don't even let the sun go down on your wrath, do not be angry with your brother. What about adultery? The letter is "do not commit adultary". What's the spirit of the law? Do not even look at a woman lustfully. When you're keeping the Spirit, you'll also be observing the letter. That's why we walk in the newness of Spirit, and not the oldness of the letter.
As for Galatians 3:23-25 this is still not declaring the 10 Commandments obselete. The Law is out schoolmaster. As a matter of fact, I see this two ways. The 10 Commandments, points out sin. But the Law of Moses, pointed to Jesus. Their yearly sabbaths, pointed to Jesus. After Christ came, there is no more need for the continual sacrifices, that portrayed the death of Christ. The daily sacrifices pointed to Jesus.
As for Ephesians 2:14-15 it itself points out it's not refering to the 10 commandments. It says the commandments contained in ordinances. The Law of God was written in STONE. God's Law is ETERNAL, and the Law of Moses was added because of sin. Remember Cain? He broke a commandment of God. God made it a point to point out to Cain that with his anger, sin lied at the DOOR (Genesis 4:6). You can't have sin, where there is no law. God's eternal law, was very clearly in play, from the very beginning.
As for Galatians 5:4, I agree. Anyone who is trying to be saved by the law, will not be saved. Christ did that for us. But keeping the law, is not trying to be saved by the law. There is a ton of difference between the two.
My last bit, Galatians 5:13-14 For, brethern, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
It calls us to liberty! What is the law of Liberty? James 2:12 shows the 10 commandments is the law of liberty. Also, Paul says all this is fulfilled in one word. Love thy neighbor as thyself. What does it mean to love they neighbor as thyself? Paul shows you (Romans 13:9). That means not to break the commandments, 5-10 (do not disrespect parents, nor kill, nor commit adultary, nor steal, nor lie, nor covet) - because if you do these things, you do NOT truly love your neighbor.
Are you suggesting that the 613 commandments of the Torah are not all God's Law?
The “Law of Moses” is the Law that God gave to Moses on Mount Sinai. They are not Moses' personal laws.
When Jesus quoted the commandments to the man in Mk 10:19 he said:
You know the commandments: ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; you shall not defraud; honor your father and your mother.’”
“You shall not defraud” is from Lv 19:13 not the Ten Commandments. Was that not God’s law?
It does not matter whether they were inscribed on stone or on papyrus or goatskin or whatever. They are all God's laws and if you keep one you keep them all. If you break one you break them all. But they were the laws as given to the Jews not to us. As Paul said in Eph 2:15 Jesus abolished the law with its commandments and legal claims.
When Paul refers to the "law" in the quotes I gave you about us being released from the law, put to death to the law, not under the law he was referring to the whole law – all 613 commandments including the Ten Commandments. The Law was indivisible.
He calls the Ten Commandments, written in stone, as the “ministry of death” (2 Cor 3:7)
That was all part of the Old Covenant. We live under a New Covenant.
"Are you suggesting that the 613 commandments of the Torah are not all God's Law?"
If we're refering to the "Law of Moses", it's not that they aren't God's laws. It's that what they refer to as the "Law of Moses", Christ showed what was nailed to the cross. Never did he say "The 10 Commandments" were nailed to the cross. Yes, there are commandments contained in ORDINANCES, but those are NOT the 10 Commandments. Case in point, the 10 Commandments existed before Man did. Satan couldn't have "rebelled and sinned" without the Law of God in place. He is the Father of Lies, and you know the Word says "Thou shalt not bear false witness". Satan broke those very commandments, which Christians today claim they don't have to keep. Sound familiar to any enemy we know? What about Cain, before the 10 Commandments were put in stone, on the planet earth? God told him "Sin lieth at the door". You cannot SIN without the Law. The 10 Commandments, never, ever, were erased. You are required to keep them, just as I am required to keep them, just as every other Christian on this planet is required to keep them. And the same thing with Heaven. None shall sin in Heaven, the Lord will make an utter end to sin. This is it's one chance. If there shall not be sin, we shall not be breaking the commandments. What we don't make an habit here on earth, will not be a habit in the heavenly kingdom. If we spend our life working iniquity (known sin) we shall not enter into the Kingdom.
Jesus referred to the commandments, the 10 commandments. Defraud in the Strong's Concordance comes back to "defraud, rob, despoil". Despoil means to rob violently. Rob means to rob, like stealing. Defraud means to illegaly obtain money. That's still a commandment. How so? Well, before you steal something, you must first desire that which isn't yours. That's coveting. And then to actually steal, is to take that which belongs not to you. So no, Jesus was still referring to the 10 Commandments. Yes, the 10 Commandments are also explained elsewhere, but all sin stems from the 10 commandments. All of it.
Ephesians 2:15 is not talking about the law you think it's talking about (the 10 Commandments). It's referring to the commandments contained in ORDINANCES, not the 10 Eternal Commandments. The 10 Commandments are Perfect, and they are called the law of liberty (James Chapter 2).
God's eternal law existed before the Old Covenant did. So, by default, they are not the same thing. Angels keep the commandments (Psalm 103:20), and Satan got kicked out for breaking the very same 10 Commandments you are claiming we don't have to keep. Cain had sin lying at the door, and sin cannot exist without the LAW. According to John the revelator, the Saints of Jesus are those who 1) Have faith in Jesus and 2) Keep the commandments of God (Revelation 14:12). So, "Keep the Commandments of God" means just that. It does not mean, "Do not keep the commandments".
2 Corinthians 3 still shows that we have to keep the commandments, except we walk in the spirit, as I described in an earlier post (ie. Do not commit adultary literally (letter), but Christ showed that in the Spirit of the law, you will not even look at a woman with lust). To Keep the Spirit, is to be keeping the letter. And notice what was just said was the "ministry of death" Paul notes that it was also glorious.
We are under the New Covenant, I agree. But under the New Covenant, we still have to keep the Eternal Law, that God has had, that even angels keep.
If we're refering to the "Law of Moses", it's not that they aren't God's laws. It's that what they refer to as the "Law of Moses", Christ showed what was nailed to the cross. Never did he say "The 10 Commandments" were nailed to the cross. Yes, there are commandments contained in ORDINANCES, but those are NOT the 10 Commandments. Case in point, the 10 Commandments existed before Man did. Satan couldn't have "rebelled and sinned" without the Law of God in place. He is the Father of Lies, and you know the Word says "Thou shalt not bear false witness". Satan broke those very commandments, which Christians today claim they don't have to keep. Sound familiar to any enemy we know? What about Cain, before the 10 Commandments were put in stone, on the planet earth? God told him "Sin lieth at the door". You cannot SIN without the Law. The 10 Commandments, never, ever, were erased. You are required to keep them, just as I am required to keep them, just as every other Christian on this planet is required to keep them. And the same thing with Heaven. None shall sin in Heaven, the Lord will make an utter end to sin. This is it's one chance. If there shall not be sin, we shall not be breaking the commandments. What we don't make an habit here on earth, will not be a habit in the heavenly kingdom. If we spend our life working iniquity (known sin) we shall not enter into the Kingdom.
Jesus referred to the commandments, the 10 commandments. Defraud in the Strong's Concordance comes back to "defraud, rob, despoil". Despoil means to rob violently. Rob means to rob, like stealing. Defraud means to illegaly obtain money. That's still a commandment. How so? Well, before you steal something, you must first desire that which isn't yours. That's coveting. And then to actually steal, is to take that which belongs not to you. So no, Jesus was still referring to the 10 Commandments. Yes, the 10 Commandments are also explained elsewhere, but all sin stems from the 10 commandments. All of it.
Ephesians 2:15 is not talking about the law you think it's talking about (the 10 Commandments). It's referring to the commandments contained in ORDINANCES, not the 10 Eternal Commandments. The 10 Commandments are Perfect, and they are called the law of liberty (James Chapter 2).
God's eternal law existed before the Old Covenant did. So, by default, they are not the same thing. Angels keep the commandments (Psalm 103:20), and Satan got kicked out for breaking the very same 10 Commandments you are claiming we don't have to keep. Cain had sin lying at the door, and sin cannot exist without the LAW. According to John the revelator, the Saints of Jesus are those who 1) Have faith in Jesus and 2) Keep the commandments of God (Revelation 14:12). So, "Keep the Commandments of God" means just that. It does not mean, "Do not keep the commandments".
2 Corinthians 3 still shows that we have to keep the commandments, except we walk in the spirit, as I described in an earlier post (ie. Do not commit adultary literally (letter), but Christ showed that in the Spirit of the law, you will not even look at a woman with lust). To Keep the Spirit, is to be keeping the letter. And notice what was just said was the "ministry of death" Paul notes that it was also glorious.
We are under the New Covenant, I agree. But under the New Covenant, we still have to keep the Eternal Law, that God has had, that even angels keep.
You are still trying to split the Law into two parts. It was not. It was one. They were all God’s laws to the Jews. And they were a mixture of what were referred to variously as commandments, ordinances and statutes, all mixed up. They were not neatly separated.
Jesus, when asked what were the greatest of the commandments (Mt 22:40) quoted from Lv 19:18 & Dt 6:5. James referred to Lv 19:18 as the “royal law” (Jas 2:8).
Lv 19 itself is wide mixture:
10: And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard
11: You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another
18: you shall love your neighbor as yourself
20: You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; nor shall there come upon you a garment of cloth made of two kinds of stuff
26: You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it
27: You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard
No, you are trying to be too clever by half. By such reasoning you reduce nearly all the commandments to one – you shall not covet. (see Jas 4:1-3)
Jesus was not specifically referring to the Ten Commandments, neither in this nor in his “two greatest commandments”
Three errors here:
Firstly, the Jews did not divide the Law up into two parts. It was ONE
Secondly, in the KJV the “contained” is in italics indicating it is not in the Greek, but an insertion by the translators. Better translations do make this mistake. For example the RSV says “the law of commandments and ordinances”. No need to distort it with “contained in” that is not in the text.
Thirdly James does not mention the Ten Commandments or call them the “law of liberty”. How you arrive at that I cannot imagine. He does call Lv 19:18 the “royal law”.
Now here I agree to some extent.
God’s eternal law did exist before the Old Covenant. The Law given to the Jews through Moses was a particular application of that Law for the Jews. However Sabbath keeping was not part of God’s eternal law. It was never mentioned before Ex 16. There is no evidence that anyone kept the Sabbath before God instructed the Jews to keep it in Exodus. Nor was anyone punished for not keeping it. It was not a sin until God made it so for the Jews
The Ten Commandments are an excellent summary of the main moral commandments (though not all) – except for Sabbath keeping. The reason the Sabbath was so important that God put them into the Ten Commandments was that it was a sign of the Covenant (see Ex 31:12-13, 16-17) and therefore must be remembered to remind them of the Covenant. We are not under that Covenant and so the sign is not relevant to us.
I'll say more about signs of the Covenant later.
You will find all the other commandments clearly “restated” in the New Testament. They are still valid for us but as part of the new law that goes with the New Covenant. But nowhere in the NT are we instructed to keep the Sabbath.
Sabbath keeping is not part of the Eternal Law
God made a series of Covenant with mankind. Each Covenant has a sign as a reminder of the covenant.
Noah
Some argue that God made a covenant with Adam but there is nothing explicit in scripture on this. The first mention of covenant is in Genesis when God made a covenant with all the people of the earth, with Noah as the mediator and the rainbow as the sign.
God said to Noah and to his sons with him: “See, I am now establishing my covenant with you and your descendants after you……….
God added: “This is the sign that I am giving for all ages to come, of the covenant between me and you and every living creature with you: I set my bow in the clouds to serve as a sign of the covenant between me and the earth. …..
As the bow appears in the clouds, I will see it and recall the everlasting covenant that I have established between God and all living beings—all mortal creatures that are on earth.” God told Noah: “This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all mortal creatures that are on earth.”
(Gen 9:8-9,12-13,16-17).
Abraham
God made a covenant with Abraham for him and all his descendants through Isaac with circumcision as the sign.
When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said: “I am God the Almighty. Walk in my presence and be blameless. Between you and me I will establish my covenant, and I will multiply you exceedingly.”…..
Circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and that shall be the mark [sign] of the covenant between you and me……..
Thus my covenant shall be in your flesh as an everlasting pact.
(Gen 17:1-2,11,13)
Moses
The covenant with Moses and with the people of Israel. It was an expansion of the Covenant with Abraham. The sign was the Sabbath.
Taking the book of the covenant, he read it aloud to the people, who answered, “All that the Lord has said, we will heed and do.” Then he took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words of his.”
(Ex 24:7-8)
The Lord said to Moses, “You must also tell the Israelites: Take care to keep my sabbaths, for that is to be the token [sign] between you and me throughout the generations, to show that it is I, the Lord, who make you holy…...
So shall the Israelites observe the sabbath, keeping it throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. Between me and the Israelites it is to be an everlasting token [sign];
(Ex 31:12-13, 16-17)
Jesus
The final covenant was made between God and Jesus with Jesus as the mediator. This covenant had been prophesied (Jer 31:31-34). The sign was the Eucharist and Communion.
Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you. (Lk 22:19-20)
…after he had given thanks, broke it and said, “This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” (1Cor 11:24-25).
In memory [remembrance] of me indicates it is the sign of the covenant to remind us of the covenant.
Each Covenant sign was visible but it pointed to a future spiritual reality, ultimately in heaven.
With the covenant with Noah the sign was a rainbow in the clouds. It pointed to the glory of God (see Ez 1:28) that one day we will see in heaven.
I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God almighty and the Lamb. The city had no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gave it light, and its lamp was the Lamb. (Rev 21:22-23)
With the covenant with Abraham the sign was physical circumcision. It pointed to the future circumcision of the heart (Rom 2:28-29; Col 2:11) as prophesied:
"The Lord, your God, will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, that you may love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and all your soul, and so may live." (Deut 30:6)
With the Covenant with Moses the sign was the Sabbath rest. It pointed to a future spiritual rest in Christ (“Come to me, all you who labour and are burdened, and I will give you rest.” Mt 11:28), but also to a greater rest from labour and burdens in heaven.
“The one who sits on the throne will shelter them.
They will not hunger or thirst anymore,
nor will the sun or any heat strike them.
For the Lamb who is in the centre of the throne will shepherd them
and lead them to springs of life-giving water,
and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” (Rev 7:15-17)
With New Covenant the sign is the communion meal. It points to the wedding feast of the Lamb:
“Blessed are those who have been called to the wedding feast of the Lamb.” (Rev 19:9)
Hebrews tells us the things in the OT are only shadows of what was to come (see Heb 8:5; 10:1).
As Paul said, “Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath. These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ.”
"You are still trying to split the Law into two parts. It was not. It was one. They were all God’s laws to the Jews. And they were a mixture of what were referred to variously as commandments, ordinances and statutes, all mixed up. They were not neatly separated."
It is in two parts. You remember, how you stated that "God's Eternal Law was before the Old Covenant," as I stated as well? God's Eternal Law, was written in stone. The 10 Commandments, His perfect law, IS His Eternal Law. This Law, remains in Heaven, and shall be obeyed throughout eternity. God did give certain laws to the Jews, but just because He gave them the 10 Commandments, doesn't mean this was only for the Jews. Can you search the scriptures, and find all 10 Commandments explicitly stated before written down in stone? Can you find "Thou shalt not steal" or "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain"? But we know these things are wrong to do, and are contained within God's 10 Commandments. However, you can find the Creator, resting the Sabbath Day in creation week. Now, there being more evidence that this commandment was kept in Genesis, how can we assume this commandment was never kept until Israel?
"Firstly, the Jews did not divide the Law up into two parts. It was ONE"
That's not what Leviticus 23:23-38 says. In Leviticus 23:37, Moses says "These are the feasts..." When explaining the 5 annual sabbaths they were to keep. Then Moses says in verse 38, that those annual sabbaths are "besides the Sabbaths of the Lord". So yes, the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, was different, than the yearly sabbaths Israel was to keep. The "Sabbath of the Lord thy God" points back to creation week. It points back to the Creator. The annual sabbaths pointed forward, to the cross.
"Thirdly James does not mention the Ten Commandments or call them the “law of liberty”. How you arrive at that I cannot imagine."
James says the Royal Law according to scripture is "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Jesus also says this is one of the two great commandments on which the law and the prophets hang. But what's it mean to love thy neighbor as thyself? Romans 13:9 - [sup] [/sup]For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself is a brief comprehension of the COMMANDMENTS. The 10 commandments - Thou shalt not commit adultary, nor steal, nor kill, nor covet, nor bear false witness - and if there is ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is comprehended as mainly "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself".
James 2:8,10,11,12 - If ye fulful the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said Do not commit adultery (A commandment), said also, Do not kill (Another Commandment). Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James calls the Royal Law, the 10 commandments, the LAW OF LIBERTY.
"You will find all the other commandments clearly “restated” in the New Testament...But nowhere in the NT are we instructed to keep the Sabbath."
Yes, you will, in Hebrews 4:4-9. It says God spake of the seventh day on this wise. It then reminds us, of how God kept the seventh day Sabbath. It also says "he limiteth a certain day." Then verse 8 asks, "For if Jesus had given them rest, wouldn't he not afterward have spoken of another day." All Christians I come across will openly declare, that YES Jesus DOES in fact give us rest. So then, would he not have afterward spoken of another day? No person, can find Jesus teaching a Sunday Sabbath, or an "everyday Sabbath". Jesus quite boldly taught His brethern how to keep the Sabbath correctly. He also kept the Sabbath. By His life's perfect example, NEVER did he indicate in the Sabbath being done away with. Remember not a jot or tittle would change. And also, in Matthew 24:20 Jesus says pray that you won't have to take flight on the sabbath DAY. So, back to Hebrews, in verse 9 says there REMAINETH (which gives an indication that there is STILL IN PLACE) a rest to the people of God. But let's look at the underlined word rest - In Strong's exhaustive Concordance, that word rest is originally the Greek word SABBATISMOS - which means, a keeping Sabbath. So yes, quite clearly, and boldly, specifically laying out the 7th Day, as the Day of rest, and laying out that it is LIMITED to a certain day, Paul then says there REMAINS (still in place) a SABBATH KEEPING REST to God's children.
It is in two parts. You remember, how you stated that "God's Eternal Law was before the Old Covenant," as I stated as well? God's Eternal Law, was written in stone. The 10 Commandments, His perfect law, IS His Eternal Law. This Law, remains in Heaven, and shall be obeyed throughout eternity. God did give certain laws to the Jews, but just because He gave them the 10 Commandments, doesn't mean this was only for the Jews. Can you search the scriptures, and find all 10 Commandments explicitly stated before written down in stone? Can you find "Thou shalt not steal" or "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain"? But we know these things are wrong to do, and are contained within God's 10 Commandments. However, you can find the Creator, resting the Sabbath Day in creation week. Now, there being more evidence that this commandment was kept in Genesis, how can we assume this commandment was never kept until Israel?
"Firstly, the Jews did not divide the Law up into two parts. It was ONE"
That's not what Leviticus 23:23-38 says. In Leviticus 23:37, Moses says "These are the feasts..." When explaining the 5 annual sabbaths they were to keep. Then Moses says in verse 38, that those annual sabbaths are "besides the Sabbaths of the Lord". So yes, the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, was different, than the yearly sabbaths Israel was to keep. The "Sabbath of the Lord thy God" points back to creation week. It points back to the Creator. The annual sabbaths pointed forward, to the cross.
"Thirdly James does not mention the Ten Commandments or call them the “law of liberty”. How you arrive at that I cannot imagine."
James says the Royal Law according to scripture is "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Jesus also says this is one of the two great commandments on which the law and the prophets hang. But what's it mean to love thy neighbor as thyself? Romans 13:9 - [sup] [/sup]For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself is a brief comprehension of the COMMANDMENTS. The 10 commandments - Thou shalt not commit adultary, nor steal, nor kill, nor covet, nor bear false witness - and if there is ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is comprehended as mainly "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself".
James 2:8,10,11,12 - If ye fulful the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said Do not commit adultery (A commandment), said also, Do not kill (Another Commandment). Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James calls the Royal Law, the 10 commandments, the LAW OF LIBERTY.
"You will find all the other commandments clearly “restated” in the New Testament...But nowhere in the NT are we instructed to keep the Sabbath."
Yes, you will, in Hebrews 4:4-9. It says God spake of the seventh day on this wise. It then reminds us, of how God kept the seventh day Sabbath. It also says "he limiteth a certain day." Then verse 8 asks, "For if Jesus had given them rest, wouldn't he not afterward have spoken of another day." All Christians I come across will openly declare, that YES Jesus DOES in fact give us rest. So then, would he not have afterward spoken of another day? No person, can find Jesus teaching a Sunday Sabbath, or an "everyday Sabbath". Jesus quite boldly taught His brethern how to keep the Sabbath correctly. He also kept the Sabbath. By His life's perfect example, NEVER did he indicate in the Sabbath being done away with. Remember not a jot or tittle would change. And also, in Matthew 24:20 Jesus says pray that you won't have to take flight on the sabbath DAY. So, back to Hebrews, in verse 9 says there REMAINETH (which gives an indication that there is STILL IN PLACE) a rest to the people of God. But let's look at the underlined word rest - In Strong's exhaustive Concordance, that word rest is originally the Greek word SABBATISMOS - which means, a keeping Sabbath. So yes, quite clearly, and boldly, specifically laying out the 7th Day, as the Day of rest, and laying out that it is LIMITED to a certain day, Paul then says there REMAINS (still in place) a SABBATH KEEPING REST to God's children.
It is not that complicated. Everything is moving forward into the seventh day, "Gods rest" and you will not do your will or find your own pleasure on that day. So remember that it is coming and keep it Holy. That day will last one thousand years so get ready to abandon everything you do and know to enter His kingdom. Nothing that man has created by worshiping the works of his hands will enter that rest. There will be nothing there but Christ and His people.
A thousand year rest, does not stop a Seventh Day Sabbath, seeing as how we'll be keeping the Sabbath Day Holy, and keeping the commandments throughout eternity.
With Sunday Laws fast approaching (PM me for tons of articles), it's neccesary to make sure Christians REMEMBER to Worship the Lord who made Heaven and Earth, as Revelations angel dictates.
With Sunday Laws fast approaching (PM me for tons of articles), it's neccesary to make sure Christians REMEMBER to Worship the Lord who made Heaven and Earth, as Revelations angel dictates.
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