kcnalp
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You're contradicting yourself!Absolutely not. I am not saying that.
Luke 23:43
43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."
Amen Jesus!
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You're contradicting yourself!Absolutely not. I am not saying that.
Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8) was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5) and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience was a demonstration of his faith and not the origin of it and saved him and his family (physically) from drowning (Hebrews 11:7).Noah was saved by grace only after he done all the Lord commanded him to do. (Gen.6:8,22)
If being healed from leprosy is an illustration of salvation, we have another case that reveals one can be saved without any water. *You can read about it in Luke 5:12-15. *No water is found here. Naaman was not even a believer until after dipping in Jordan. He said "NOW" (after being healed) I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," (2 Kings 5:15) and vowed to worship only Him (vs. 17). If we follow this "example," we will have to baptize unbelievers!Naaman was cleansed of leprosy only after completing all the prophet told him to do. (2Kings 5)
The Ephesians were saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) just like the rest of us. You really seem to really be hung up on your pet verses. In Acts 19:2, Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit when they believed and their answer in verse 3 reveals that they were not yet believers. They had received the baptism of John but did not realize that Jesus Christ was the One to whom John's baptism pointed.The Ephesians were saved by grace only when they had done what the Lord required in (Acts 19:1-6) (Mark 16:16)
No contradiction. Christ and the Apostles said to believe and be baptized. If that does not happen it is between you and Christ. Where is Paradise? You are saying that Christ went to heaven and back to the tomb, resurrected and then ascended to heaven. There is nothing in the storyline that suggest this. We can speculate what paradise is, but it is all speculation.You're contradicting yourself!
Luke 23:43
43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."
Amen Jesus!
In regards to "water" in John 3:5, take note that Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and *connects it with receiving everlasting life.* John 4:14 - but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.(Jn 3:3-5)
The Bible says MANY things for us to do. Do you obey them all? I'm sorry you have so much trouble with "Paradise". I think most people understand it.No contradiction. Christ and the Apostles said to believe and be baptized. If that does not happen it is between you and Christ. Where is Paradise? You are saying that Christ went to heaven and back to the tomb, resurrected and then ascended to heaven. There is nothing in the storyline that suggest this. We can speculate what paradise is, but it is all speculation.
Galatians 3:26 - For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus (Period.) *Not through faith and water baptism. Also read John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name. *Received Him, given the right to become children of God, through believing in His name, not through water baptism. Galatians 3:27 - For as many of you as were "baptized into Christ" have put on/clothed yourself with Christ. The Greek word for "put on" is "enduo" and means to enclose oneself in, as when one "puts on" clothes or armor or some other item. Involved in this is the idea of "imitation" and "identification." *Just as 1 Corinthians 10:2 says that all (the Israelites) were "baptized into Moses" in the cloud and in the sea, but this does not mean they were literally water baptized into the body of Moses, but in regards to "identification" with Moses. So believers are "baptized by one Spirit into one body" (1 Corinthians 12:13) upon believing the gospel (Ephesians 1:13) and water baptized into Christ would be in regards to "identification." Works-salvationists generally confuse water baptism with Spirit baptism.(Gal.3:27)
I have no trouble with paradise. There are people that will form a whole religion on one scripture. What are you going to do with, you must hate your mother and father to be a disciple of Christ? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Selling all that you have is a requirement for salvation stipulated by Christ Himself.The Bible says MANY things for us to do. Do you obey them all? I'm sorry you have so much trouble with "Paradise". I think most people understand it.
What are you going to do with, you must hate your mother and father to be a disciple of Christ? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Selling all that you have is a requirement for salvation stipulated by Christ Himself.
They call them the hard sayings of Christ. And the Apostles have a few. And no I am not perfect.You hate your parents? You sold everything? You're perfect?
FYI, I was baptized in the Name of Jesus.
Belief + Baptism = Saved - (Mark 16:16) (1Peter 3:30,21) (Jn 3:3-5,23)
Scripture speaks of two kinds of baptisms, yet in Ephesians 4:5 it says there is only one baptism. Do you know which baptism saves?
The demons also believe, so according to your calculations above and understanding demons + baptism = saved, correct?
You are having so much difficulties regarding baptism because you only focus on water baptism.
To God Be The Glory
Do you believe and obey all the Bible? The emphasis was clearly on REPENT and be baptized! Why did you omit REPENT?I know "preaching Christ" includes teaching water immersion for the remission of sins b/c of what I read in (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:30-34 ; 22:16).
The jailer was out at midnight, in the dark looking for water so he could be baptized for the remission of sins. (Acts 16:30-34).
He was only said to BELIEVE after he was baptized in water vs 34.
That could shed new light on (Jn 3:16)
I guess Jesus lied to the thief on the cross?Baptism saves!!!
Have a nice day insulting others.What's the matter, can't accept truth?
To God Be The Glory
The Truth is that the thief was with Jesus in Paradise and wasn't baptized. If that insults you, so be it.Have a nice day insulting others.
For about the 50th time, you DO NOT form a doctrine out of one verse of scripture.The Truth is that the thief was with Jesus in Paradise and wasn't baptized. If that insults you, so be it.
So all who can't get baptized will burn in Hell?For about the 50th time, you DO NOT form a doctrine out of one verse of scripture.
In Romans 6:4, the phrase "buried with Him through baptism," seems to support the idea that baptism is the instrumental cause of justification. However, even here baptism could be understood as the sign of justification. It is not unusual in Scripture to call the reality by the name of its sign. Thus, for example, Paul says that all Christians are circumcised (even though one may not be physically circumcised) - meaning that they possess what circumcision signifies (Philippians 3:3). Using this kind of language, Paul can speak of the reality of the believers’ spiritual union with Christ, and the benefits which flow from that union, in terms of baptism, its sign.(Rom.6:3-6) (Col.2:12)