Salvation Through Baptism ???

[kcnalp]

If Paul had have died before his sins were forgiven he would have busted hells gates wide open. (Mark 16:16) (1Peter:3:20,21)

When was Paul's sins forgiven?

Not on the road with Jesus according to (Acts 9:9).

(Acts 22:16)

1. Arise

2. Be Baptized

3. Wash Away Your Sins

You tell me WHEN Paul's sins were washed away?

Paul was living under the Law of Moses. He was indeed forgiven before he became Christian. He was faithful to God.

 

[kcnalp]

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?
Look up the definition of Do.
Tell Christ when you see Him that you have a better "Way'" to salvation.
Then Jesus gave the following illustration: “Can one blind person lead another? Won’t they both fall into a ditch?

Jesus said for YOU to be perfect. Are you?

 

[Mr C]

Miracles happen for those who believe. I've seen several. You're saying you don't believe in miracles. No wonder you don't see miracles.

Lazarus was dead, he could not believe.

 

[farouk]

Lazarus was dead, he could not believe.

He needed to be 'made alive...quickened' (Ephesians 2)....

 

[Mr C]

Paul was living under the Law of Moses. He was indeed forgiven before he became Christian. He was faithful to God.

The OT Law ended with the death / Ress. of Christ (Rom.10:4) (Heb 7:12 ;9:15-17 ; 10:9,10) (Luke 16:16)

Paul was killing Christians.

Surely that is a sin even as a Jew. (continual sin)

Why did they Lord send Paul to a preacher (Ananias) then?

So the preacher could tell him how to have his sins forgiven (be saved).

To be saved one must be lost.

Believe + Baptism = Saved (Mark 16:16)

(Col.1:13)

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus said for YOU to be perfect. Are you?

Long ways from perfect but, I followed Christ's directions on salvation perfectly.

 

[kcnalp]

Long ways from perfect but, I followed Christ's directions on salvation perfectly.

So you pick out the parts you like from the Bible.

 

[kcnalp]

The OT Law ended with the death / Ress. of Christ (Rom.10:4) (Heb 7:12 ;9:15-17 ; 10:9,10) (Luke 16:16)

Paul was killing Christians.

Surely that is a sin even as a Jew. (continual sin)

Why did they Lord send Paul to a preacher (Ananias) then?

So the preacher could tell him how to have his sins forgiven (be saved).

To be saved one must be lost.

Believe + Baptism = Saved (Mark 16:16)

(Col.1:13)

There was transition from the Law. It wasn't instant. Paul was obeying the Law by killing Christians!

Deuteronomy 13
6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers,
7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth,
8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him;
9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people.
10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

 

[Mr C]

He needed to be 'made alive...quickened' (Ephesians 2)....

The Ephesians were made alive in (Acts 19:1-6) by baptism in the name of Jesus.

They were not converted in (Eph.2)

 

[Grailhunter]

So you pick out the parts you like from the Bible.

I am not the one picking out parts.

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?

Matthew 7:21-25
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness. Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; be he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyer rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of Him.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Galatians 1:8-9
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.

Act 8:26-40
But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, “Get up and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.” (This is a desert road.) So he got up and went; and there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure; and he had come to Jerusalem to worship, and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah. Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this: “He was led as a sheep to slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He does not open His mouth. “In humiliation His judgment was taken away; Who will relate His generation? For His life is removed from the earth.” The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus.

Acts 10:48
And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Acts 16:33
And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.

Acts 18:8
Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.

Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 22:12-16
“A certain Ananias, a man who was devout by the standard of the Law, and well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there, came to me, and standing near said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight!’ And at that very time I looked up at him. And he said, ‘The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth. For you will be a witness for Him to all men of what you have seen and heard. Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.’

John 3:22-23

After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. Can you imagine what it would be like to be baptized under the watchful eye of Christ Himself?

Romans 6:3-7

Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin.

 

[kcnalp]

I am not the one picking out parts. You are the one that lies, as your master the father of lies. Hoping to twist the scriptures to prevent someone from being saved. But you cannot because they are clear and simple.

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?

Matthew 7:21-25
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness. Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; be he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyer rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of Him.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Galatians 1:8-9
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.

Act 8:26-40
But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, “Get up and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.” (This is a desert road.) So he got up and went; and there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure; and he had come to Jerusalem to worship, and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah. Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this: “He was led as a sheep to slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He does not open His mouth. “In humiliation His judgment was taken away; Who will relate His generation? For His life is removed from the earth.” The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus.

Acts 10:48
And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Acts 16:33
And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.

Acts 18:8
Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.

Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 22:12-16
“A certain Ananias, a man who was devout by the standard of the Law, and well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there, came to me, and standing near said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight!’ And at that very time I looked up at him. And he said, ‘The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth. For you will be a witness for Him to all men of what you have seen and heard. Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.’

John 3:22-23

After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. Can you imagine what it would be like to be baptized under the watchful eye of Christ Himself?

Romans 6:3-7

Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin.

Your smoke screen noted. Why can't you deal with one Scripture at a time?

 

[Grailhunter]

Your smoke screen noted. Why can't you deal with one Scripture at a time?

You can take them one at a time. They are very clear and the Word of God. Your fight is not with me, it is with God.

 

[kcnalp]

Many people in hospitals have been baptized while in serious condition.

Your proof?

 

[kcnalp]

You can take them one at a time. They are very clear and the Word of God. Your fight is not with me, it is with God.

You've already admitted someone can be saved without water baptism. What's your point?

 

[kcnalp]

You can take them one at a time. They are very clear and the Word of God. Your fight is not with me, it is with God.

Your water baptism won't save you. Only the Blood of Jesus can save you.

 

[Mr C]

Your water baptism won't save you. Only the Blood of Jesus can save you.

(Col.2:11,12) teaches when one is buried in water, the Lord does an operation without hands (figuratively), He cuts away our sins (instead of SKIN) and as we are raised up out of the water we are raised to walk in newness of life (a servant of righteousness) according to (Rom.6:3-18) (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:15 ;16:30-34 ; 22:16).

 

[kcnalp]

(Col.2:11,12) teaches when one is buried in water, the Lord does an operation without hands (figuratively), He cuts away our sins (instead of SKIN) and as we are raised up out of the water we are raised to walk in newness of life (a servant of righteousness) according to (Rom.6:3-18) (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:15 ;16:30-34 ; 22:16).

You trust your water. I'll trust in the Blood of Jesus. I can't lose!

 

[Grailhunter]

Your water baptism won't save you. Only the Blood of Jesus can save you.

Neither will the single thought that Christ is real.

 

[Mr C]

Your water baptism won't save you. Only the Blood of Jesus can save you.

I think it is safe to say we all think it is the blood which saves.

The question is, WHEN does the blood save?

Find WHEN sins are forgiven and we will have our answer. (Acts 22:16)

 

[kcnalp]

Neither will the single thought that Christ is real.

But the Blood of Jesus will wash away the sins of all who believe in Him!