Salvation Through Baptism ???

[JunChosen]

If that is the case, why did Peter say on the day of Pentecost, "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Peter was NOT speaking of water baptism BECAUSE he knew that water only cleanses the dirt off of the body. Note what he said: "The like figure (flood) whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (NOT THE PUTTING AWAY OF THE FILTH OF THE FLESH, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

BTW, if you didn't know it already the word "baptism" means to wash!

If it has no spiritual value why did Peter say you needed it for the remission of sins?

Peter was NOT speaking of water baptism but the washing of regeneration which only God can (power) perform! (Titus 3:5).

To God Be The Glory

 

[Tong2020]

Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Apparently you don't seem to realize and understand my argument:

If there is forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood by Jesus Christ, then there was no real need for Jesus to shed His blood.

Tell us then why Jesus have to shed His blood.

Tong
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[Mr C]

It seems you don't understand what I said in my other post, that you go in circles.

Jesus, even from the foundation of the world, in God's perspective, had shed His blood (Rev.13:8). Why Jesus can forgive sins even before the cross testifies to that.

Tong
R0809

That is possible.

 

[Mr C]

Literal water is tied to baptism as we see in (Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:30-34) (1Peter 3:20,21) (Jn 3:3-5,23) (Col.2:11,12) (Rom.6:3-6).

 

[Mr C]

Believe (NOT) + Baptism = Saved

Believe + Baptize (NOT) = Saved

Believe + Baptism = Saved - (Mark 16:16)


Which do you teach?

(Rom.16:16)

 

[JunChosen]

Literal water is tied to baptism as we see in (Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:30-34) (1Peter 3:20,21) (Jn 3:3-5,23) (Col.2:11,12) (Rom.6:3-6).

Water baptism has no spiritual value (period)!!!

You're not understanding 1 Peter 3:21! The only washing of sin that is essential for salvation is the washing of regeneration set forth in Titus 3:5.

Any other kinds of water use are rituals, and rituals are "works" of man, therefore contrary to Ephesians 2:9. You are not only going against Scripture, but you are taking the glory away from God that He alone can wash away sins!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Mr C]

Water baptism has no spiritual value (period)!!!

You're not understanding 1 Peter 3:21! The only washing of sin that is essential for salvation is the washing of regeneration set forth in Titus 3:5.

Any other kinds of water use are rituals, and rituals are "works" of man, therefore contrary to Ephesians 2:9. You are not only going against Scripture, but you are taking the glory away from God that He alone can wash away sins!!!

To God Be The Glory

OK, is that your words or the Lords?

 

[Mr C]

Water baptism has no spiritual value (period)!!!

You're not understanding 1 Peter 3:21! The only washing of sin that is essential for salvation is the washing of regeneration set forth in Titus 3:5.

Any other kinds of water use are rituals, and rituals are "works" of man, therefore contrary to Ephesians 2:9. You are not only going against Scripture, but you are taking the glory away from God that He alone can wash away sins!!!

To God Be The Glory

WELL, if I am wrong so was the preacher (Philip) in (Acts 8) b/c he no doubt was teaching water baptism for salvation.

 

[JunChosen]

OK, is that your words or the Lords?

Which? Be more specific.

 

[Mr C]

Which? Be more specific.

#626

 

[JunChosen]

#626

Both Titus 3:5 and Ephesians 2:9 are God's words:

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Mr C]

Both Titus 3:5 and Ephesians 2:9 are God's words:

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21.

To God Be The Glory

*(Eph.2:9)

1. Show me where the word of God says BAPTISM IS A WORK?

You have pick out the one and only thing in which men allow others to do to them, and you call it a work.

How is that?



2. (Titus 3:5) actually uses the word "WASHING". (could refer to water)

I find the word "WASH" in Paul's conversion in (Acts 22:16).

I know this is not HS baptism b/c Paul had to GET UP (ARISE) to find water so he could be immersed.

If it was HS baptism he could stay sitting or even be laying down.

But he was told to get up.

Also whatever Paul was WASHED in he was only FORGIVEN OF HIS SINS after being baptized in it.


Which would harmonize perfectly with (Mark 16:16) (1Peter 3:20,21) (1Peter1:22,23) (Jn 3:3-5,23) (Rom.6:3-18).

 

[kcnalp]

While Jesus was walking on earth His blood had not yet been shed.

When He was on the cross His Blood was being shed. The thief was redeemed by the Blood of Jesus! If you reject His Blood atonement you will burn in Hell.

 

[kcnalp]

I think it is safe to say we all think it is the blood which saves.

The question is, WHEN does the blood save?

Find WHEN sins are forgiven and we will have our answer. (Acts 22:16)

Sins are forgiven when someone believes and confesses Jesus!

Romans 10 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[kcnalp]

Neither will the single thought that Christ is real.

Romans 10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[kcnalp]

Long ways from perfect but, I followed Christ's directions on salvation perfectly.

What a total contradiction!

 

[kcnalp]

Neither will the single thought that Christ is real.

The thief was with Jesus in "Paradise". I hope you are with him some day.

 

[marksman]

Peter was NOT speaking of water baptism BECAUSE he knew that water only cleanses the dirt off of the body. Note what he said: "The like figure (flood) whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (NOT THE PUTTING AWAY OF THE FILTH OF THE FLESH, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

BTW, if you didn't know it already the word "baptism" means to wash!



Peter was NOT speaking of water baptism but the washing of regeneration which only God can (power) perform! (Titus 3:5).

To God Be The Glory

In the Greek baptism means fully wet. I am a swimmer and I know when I am fully wet.

 

[Grailhunter]

The thief was with Jesus in "Paradise". I hope you are with him some day.

Depending on what Paradise was....I am looking to be in a better place.

 

[Grailhunter]

Peter was NOT speaking of water baptism BECAUSE he knew that water only cleanses the dirt off of the body. Note what he said: "The like figure (flood) whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (NOT THE PUTTING AWAY OF THE FILTH OF THE FLESH, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

BTW, if you didn't know it already the word "baptism" means to wash!



Peter was NOT speaking of water baptism but the washing of regeneration which only God can (power) perform! (Titus 3:5).

To God Be The Glory

How can you read the Bible and come up with this nonsense!