Salvation Through Baptism ???

[JunChosen]

Immersed = fully wet. Simple.

So say you!

 

[Joseph77]

For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

instructing us, to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,

we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world;

looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

who gave himself for us,

that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a people for his own possession,
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zealous of good works.

 

[Tong2020]

What saves people is repentance AND BAPTISM. Baptism is effected once a person has repented. No repentance no salvation. According to Acts 2 baptism follows repentance. simple.

What saves people is the grace of God in Jesus Christ. The better question is Who saves people? The answer is God. Another good question is How does God save people? The answer is, through faith. One popular wrong answer is, through water baptism.

Repentance is getting rid of the old man and baptism is putting on the new. You can't put on the new until you get rid of the old and there is no point getting rid of the old if you don't put on the new.

2Corinthians 5:17 So that if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new!

Romans 6:4 Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, so also we should walk in newness of life.

You said "...repentance is getting rid of the old man and baptism is putting on the new man." Please cite the scriptures where your statement there is coming from. I know no scriptures that teaches that repentance is getting rid of the old man and that baptism is putting on the new man. The scriptures you quoted does not say such things.

You also said "You can't put on the new until you have got rid of the old. Is that too hard for you to understand?" There is only an old man when there is a change to being a new man. So any discussion of scriptures pertaining to the old man and the new man could only have meaning to the Christian, because to the non-Christian, there is no change to a new man in the first place. Now regarding the Christian then, what is the old man but refers to his former sinful self, and what is the new man but that refers to his new self that was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness, renewed in knowledge according to the image of God who created him? So the Christian, he is a new man. The old man he was, when spoken of, is taken only as a reference to what he formerly was, but not as though it is something that still exist that one can put on and off. Nay. For the old man had died when the new man was created by God.

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[Joseph77]

Realize that people are not to be saved only from eternal death,
but also to be saved from the power of tradition,
and also to be saved from all their old sins/ the penalty of their own sins,
and also to be saved from all the deceptions of (any) - whether parents, churches, governments, doctors, etc ....
and also to be saved from the corruption of the world ,
and also to be saved from the wickedness of the flesh and of the devil,
and also to be saved from daily 'dirt'? (so to speak - as in the washing the feet that get dirty) ...

and how much more to be saved from ? daily, or /and once for all, continually, or once, or twice... ?

cleaned up - walking pure, walking holy (set apart), BEING A LIGHT in the world, not just IN THE LIGHT...

so washing in many different ways, or one or two or three ways, as written in the Creator's Instructions...

 

[JunChosen]

Repentance is getting rid of the old man and baptism is putting on the new. You can't put on the new until you get rid of the old and there is no point getting rid of the old if you don't put on the new.

So what you're saying is putting on the "new" you do not sin any longer? Repentance means to go the opposite way.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Tong2020]

Do you believe we are saved by Grace?

Yes.

Do you believe that God saves through faith?

Or

Do you believe that God saves through water baptism?

Curious Tong.

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[JunChosen]

One can tell WHEN one is saved by knowing WHEN our sins are forgiven (

Which part of the Family of God you belong to because only God knows?

Read John 3:6-8!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Mr C]

Did I strike a nerve? Do you attend the church of Christ? The 5 step plan of salvation presented by the church of Christ has originated with men, namely THOMAS CAMPBELL, ALEXANDER CAMPBELL, WALTER SCOTT, and BARTON W. STONE. (Hence, the term, Campbellites). Did these men actually "restore" the gospel, the church, and true New Testament worship, as they claim, or did they simply create another sect bent on a more dogmatic sectarianism than others they renounced? On the other hand, I have never attended a Lutheran church, so Mr Lutheran is juvenile.

You need to read the bible (authored by God) more than you read the history books (authored by men).



Churches of Christ (Rom. 16:16)

Body of Christ (Rom.7:4)(1Cor. 10:16 ; 12:27) (Eph.4:12)


The Body of Christ = The Church of Christ (Eph.1:22,23) (Col.1:18,24)


Just try and find the Baptist Church in the NT. (it's not there)

 

[Mr C]

Which part of the Family of God you belong to because only God knows?

Read John 3:6-8!!!

To God Be The Glory

Johns baptism (in water and for the forgiveness of sins / Mark 1:4 / Jn 3:3-5) was out of date by (Acts 19:1-6).

Are you still teaching people must be baptized by Johns baptism when it was outdated in the first century.

Johns baptism is not the same as the baptism in the name of Jesus. (but they are both in water)

 

[Mr C]

Did I strike a nerve? Do you attend the church of Christ? The 5 step plan of salvation presented by the church of Christ has originated with men, namely THOMAS CAMPBELL, ALEXANDER CAMPBELL, WALTER SCOTT, and BARTON W. STONE. (Hence, the term, Campbellites). Did these men actually "restore" the gospel, the church, and true New Testament worship, as they claim, or did they simply create another sect bent on a more dogmatic sectarianism than others they renounced? On the other hand, I have never attended a Lutheran church, so Mr Lutheran is juvenile.

You teach faith alone and it began mainly with Martin Luther. (in the 1500s)

You follow Luther.

Calling people "Campbellites" is Juvenile. (according to you)

 

[JunChosen]

[QUOTE="Tong2020, post: 797949, member: 8685"]Do you believe that God saves through faith?[/QUOTE]

Why do you keep teaching God saves through faith? If yo have faith why do you need to exercise it?

In fact, the criteria and only way anyone can be saved is set forth in John 6:44!

To God Be The Glory

 

[JunChosen]

Johns baptism (in water and for the forgiveness of sins / Mark 1:4 / Jn 3:3-5) was out of date by (Acts 19:1-6).

No laws were ever abrogated in the New or Old Testaments, except the Ceremonial Laws which were completed in Christ.

Sorry, you just have no idea of the meaning of the passages you quoted above.

Are you still teaching people must be baptized by Johns baptism when it was outdated in the first century.

I've NEVER taught John's baptism because it has no spiritual value. Being baptized into John' baptism merely suggests that you now belong to the family of God.

Johns baptism is not the same as the baptism in the name of Jesus. (but they are both in water)

You are in error. They are alike in that both baptisms merely refers you now belong to the same family of God (Matthew 28:19).

In the Old Testament it was circumcision and now water baptism.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Mr C]

No laws were ever abrogated in the New or Old Testaments, except the Ceremonial Laws which were completed in Christ.

Sorry, you just have no idea of the meaning of the passages you quoted above.



I've NEVER taught John's baptism because it has no spiritual value. Being baptized into John' baptism merely suggests that you now belong to the family of God.



You are in error. They are alike in that both baptisms merely refers you now belong to the same family of God (Matthew 28:19).

In the Old Testament it was circumcision and now water baptism.

To God Be The Glory

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances...

Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law

Also (Heb. 7:12 ; 8:6-13 ; 9:15-17 ; 10:9,10)

 

[Marymog]

When you beat around the bush and double speak, it's a little hard for me to figure out what you believe. Post #853?

Yup.....853

 

[Marymog]

So you believe that believers are clueless about who has misinterpreted Scripture? It's not about giving only one person (or set of persons in one particular orginization) authority to interpret Scripture. (1 Corinthians 2:11-14)

YOU do not decide who has misinterpreted Scripture.

 

[Marymog]

Yes.

Do you believe that God saves through faith?

Or

Do you believe that God saves through water baptism?

Curious Tong.

Tong
R0847

Both and more.....just like scripture says.

 

[Tong2020]

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth.. Being born again,

Tell us, what truth was Peter referring to or mean there?

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[Tong2020]

Baptism Saves US (1Peter 3:20,21) (Acts 85,12,13,26-40) (Mark 16:16)

According to your understanding perhaps. Misuse of scriptures there.

According to scriptures, God saves us by grace through faith ( Eph. 2:8).

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[Tong2020]

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

If = Upon the condition that

That means if one does not confess he will not be saved. (Rom.10:9,10)

Well, I guess that you conclude like so because you don't realize whom Paul was addressing there in Romans 10:9. Please realize then that Paul was saying that to the church in Rome. And that sure makes a lot of difference, does it not? So, there you go, a misuse of scriptures.

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[Tong2020]

You seem to think I cannot understand the scriptures on my own.

(1Peter 3:20,21) can easily be understood by most 10 yr olds.

The text seems very easy to understand.

God said when you read the scriptures you can understand it (Eph.3:3,4).


Water saved noah.

Baptism (in water) also saves us.



(Mark 16:16) confirms it.

Bel + Bapt = Saved


(Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40) gives us a word picture of how it is done in real life.

See, it is simple.

So, perhaps then you can tell us, Noah was saved from what?

Tell us, how had water saved Noah?

A correct understanding of 1 Pet. 3:20,21 is one that points to this truth, that it is God who saved Noah, and not any one else nor anything else.

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