Salvation with works, not by works

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You can't even sneak works into the back door. We are reconciled to God fully apart from our works either good or bad.

At the end of the day, God knows each one of His children, and we don't need works to prove ourselves to Him.

Much love!

Even the weakest stumbling saint is secure as Jesus said:

Matthew 12:20
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

And then the most comforting promise:

"I will never leave thee nor forsake thee."

So for those who say we can walk away from God- NUH-UH!! If we turn to walk away- He turns with us!
 
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Which means that every idolater, adulterer, cannibal, homosexual, murderer, rapist, child molester, thief, drunkard, drug user and pusher and swindler, that was saved will be there at the table with us.
That is just more nonsense since you do not understand one very simple truth:

TITUS 2: TRUE SALVATION MUST PRODUCE SANCTIFICATION
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
 

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If we turn to walk away- He turns with us!

No he does not.

"…cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray… to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption… For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them." (2 Peter 2:14-21)
 

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2 Peter 2:10 KJV
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

These are not the born again. Romans 8 defines this for us.

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TITUS 2: TRUE SALVATION MUST PRODUCE SANCTIFICATION
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Or in other words . . . "such WERE some of you . . ."

Much love!
 

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That is just more nonsense since you do not understand one very simple truth:

TITUS 2: TRUE SALVATION MUST PRODUCE SANCTIFICATION
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

I understand your point but apparently you do not understand mine.
Can you address anything in my post?
 

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the Israelites were under contract with the Lord their God, not born of the Holy Spirit because they were Jews.

that's not to say there wasn't those who walked with the Lord who were through the grace of God, faithful. they are those who Jesus went to wherever to get as Paul describes. guys like Jerimiah or King David so on and so forth. the salvation they received in Christ can't be removed because of the sins they may have committed in the flesh, King David for example.

the faithful before Christ came into the world awaited the fulfillment of the coming of Christ, those after are received in that same fulfillment. the faithful walk was completed in their day and the faithful walk of those yet in the flesh is yet to be completed.
Jews are specifically descendants of Jacob's son Judah and the tribes that remained loyal to Solomon's son Rehoboam when God stripped the northern 10 tribes from him. Most Israelites are not Jews in the same way most Americans aren't New Yorkers.
The History and Truth about Works!

You can look this up for yourself…there are two Greek words in the New Testament that are mostly interchangeable for the words works or deeds.
έργα
πράξεις
But neither of these words apply to salvation, nor do they apply to the actions of salvation, in other words baptism, is never referred to as a work or a deed in the New Testament.

The only time that the word works is seen in a religious context is when the scriptures are discussing works of the Law, in other words, the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law does not pertain to Christians, so it is irrelevant. The Apostle Paul argued this point against the Judaizers throughout his ministry and it is reflected in several scriptures, and this includes the first Christian council in Jerusalem in 50 ad where Paul argued the point and James affirmed the fact that Christians were not required to observe the Mosaic Law. The whole works of the Law thing came to head, in Galatians 5:4 he stated that You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Paul does not always reference the Law as a whole when he mentions "law". Sometimes it was

-an ordinance or ritual in the Law
-a Pharisaical tradition that was enforced by tradition as if it came from the Law
-the 10 commandments
-civil laws
- the sin nature

A perfect example of this is Gal. 2 where he talks about law, but it was the Pharisees' law and the ritual concerning animal sacrifices being discussed. In fact, nowhere in the entire book of Galatians does Paul ever directly discuss the Law as a whole or the 10 commandments.

One obvious inconsistency with your theology is that all of the prohibitions James mentioned in the Acts 15 council comes straight from the Law, and he clearly goes on to mention that Moses was read to Christian converts in the synagogues every Sabbath. Acts 15:1 clearly shows the issue the apostles addressed in the council: "And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved".”

Later in Acts 21:21, some of the Christian elders in Jerusalem asked Paul about that situation: “but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs." It is 100% clear from the narrative that the elders were asking solely about the matter of converts being physically circumcised and the Pharisaical traditions the Orthodox Jews attached to that ritual.

In verse 25, Paul confirmed that this was the issue that was addressed in Acts 15, not the Law as a whole: " “But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” Another thing that needs to be pointed out is that Paul reinforced what the Law says about idolatry, consuming blood, eating things that were strangled, and sexual immorality instead of saying "we forbade the Gentiles from keeping the entire Law".

Further evidence lies in what Paul wrote to the Corinthians(1 Cor. 7:19) that this was the issue: "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters." It makes no sense to believe the apostles taught against the Law as a whole when their own writings consistently reinforced, quoted, and referenced what was written in it.

Another obvious whole in your theology is that the "law" Paul spoke in Gal. 5:4 of was again, the Pharisaical traditions. The context of verse 6 makes this obvious: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love." The clear takeaway is that

1. the Galatians were deceived into trying to earn their salvation through being physically circumcised. It is illogical to claim Paul was referring to the Law when he goes on to quote Lev. 19:18 in Gal. 5:14 where he says "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

2. Paul agrees with John's statement 1 Jhn 5:3 where the former says " faith working through love". The brand of love Paul is talking about is the agape love that comes from keeping God's commandments, not the human emotion that is frequently characterized by this world as love.

The popular idea that Paul taught against keeping the Law has absolutely no biblical basis, considering

1. The list Paul calls the "works of the flesh" in verses 19-21 are all violations of the Law

2. Paul stated in no uncertain terms that all of the apostles were upholding the authority of God's commandments in Rom. 3:31

3. This idea is completely inconsistent with Paul teaching against witchcraft, idolatry, homosexuality, and everything else the Law categorizes as moral offenses against God or other people

4. Acts consistently shows Paul's Jewish enemies falsely accusing him of teaching against the Law

You can't even sneak works into the back door. We are reconciled to God fully apart from our works either good or bad.

At the end of the day, God knows each one of His children, and we don't need works to prove ourselves to Him.

Much love!
Au contraire, the Bible begs to differ:

"But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?" - Jas. 2:21

"(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;"- Rom. 2:13

"but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments." - Exo. 20:6

If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love." - Jhn 15:10

"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." - 1 Jhn 2:3

"They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work." - Tit. 1:16

"Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." - Rev. 14:12

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!" - 2 Tim. 3:1-5

“Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit." - Matt. 12:33

Your theology is an obvious perversion of Paul's words in Rom. 3:28. Just becaue Paul said a person is forgiven by faith apart from the deeds of the law, it certainly doesn't mean they aren't required to prove their faith to Him after repenting by obeying Him from that point on. The Most High certainly knows who His children are because they obey His commandments like Abraham did.
 
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No he does not.

"…cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray… to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption… For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them." (2 Peter 2:14-21)

These are not believers!

Peter is talking about people who gained the knowledge that Jesus is Messiah and then turn away from it! Same folk in Heb. 6 and 10, People who were brough tto teh "brink" of salvation so to speak and then turned and walked away!

But to HIs children, Jesus will never leave us or forsake us.
 

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You have made so many errors the easiest way to address it is line by line with simple statements.
First off you need to learn the 613 Mosaic Laws, and the culture that they are in is also important.

Paul does not always reference the Law as a whole when he mentions "law". Sometimes it was

-an ordinance or ritual in the Law
-a Pharisaical tradition that was enforced by tradition as if it came from the Law
-the 10 commandments
-civil laws
- the sin nature

A perfect example of this is Gal. 2 where he talks about law, but it was the Pharisees' law and the ritual concerning animal sacrifices being discussed. In fact, nowhere in the entire book of Galatians does Paul ever directly discuss the Law as a whole or the 10 commandments.

One obvious inconsistency with your theology is that all of the prohibitions James mentioned in the Acts 15 council comes straight from the Law, and he clearly goes on to mention that Moses was read to Christian converts in the synagogues every Sabbath. Acts 15:1 clearly shows the issue the apostles addressed in the council: "And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved".”


In verse 25, Paul confirmed that this was the issue that was addressed in Acts 15, not the Law as a whole: " “But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” Another thing that needs to be pointed out is that Paul reinforced what the Law says about idolatry, consuming blood, eating things that were strangled, and sexual immorality instead of saying "we forbade the Gentiles from keeping the entire Law".

Wrong again. Again sigh! There are 613 Mosaic Laws...there are four items here. Hardly a representation of the Law. Did not include the law against murder, was James saying that was ok? Besides the fact it would be sacrilegious to dissect the Mosaic Law. (If you understood the Mosaic Law you would know this) Most scholars agree that these are not laws, but rather stipulations that are directed at Pagan rituals. And there is no agreement on the meaning of fornification because that word does not actually appear in the Bible. Centuries later Fornification ends up being a created word.
For example
Act 15:27-29. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


Later in Acts 21:21, some of the Christian elders in Jerusalem asked Paul about that situation: “but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs." It is 100% clear from the narrative that the elders were asking solely about the matter of converts being physically circumcised and the Pharisaical traditions the Orthodox Jews attached to that ritual.


Trust me I can bury you in scriptures regarding what Paul said about Christians not being under the Law in general. But first I will address your attempt to deceive. Most of the time when Paul referrers to the law is is all encompassing...very seldom referencing singular laws....He talks about circumcision because that is the entry into Judaism. If you get circumcised for religious reasons, you are a Jew. He never gets into dividing the Law because it is one of the most sacrilegious things you can do. He is not going to say it is ok to observe some of it and not all of it. It is either all or nothing, and all mean you are a Jew.
What Paul says about the law....And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Enjoy.


Your theology is an obvious perversion of Paul's words in Rom. 3:28. Just becaue Paul said a person is forgiven by faith apart from the deeds of the law, it certainly doesn't mean they aren't required to prove their faith to Him after repenting by obeying Him from that point on. The Most High certainly knows who His children are because they obey His commandments like Abraham did.

Since you say I pervert Paul's word....I will bury you in scriptures.
2nd Corinthians 3:7-18
But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory. Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

Galatians 3:12 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.

Galatians 3:24-26 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Romans 4:15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation.

Romans 5:13 For until the Law sin was in the world; sin is not “imputed” when there is no Law.

Romans Chapter 6 14 For sin shall not be master over you,
for you are not under the law, but under grace & 18 Being then free from sin, you become the servants of righteousness.


Romans 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.

Romans 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath you free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

1st John3:6: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1st Cor. 9:20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, through not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law;

2nd Cor. 3:3 being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of human hearts.

Galatians 4:21 “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?”

Galatians 5:3&4
And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
 
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Hebrews 10:1 For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never by the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near.

Hebrews 10:4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

Act 13:38-39 Paul said, Therefore let it be known to you brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

And a snippet for those of us that love the ECF’s
Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians
It is absurd to profess
Christ Jesus, and to Judaize. For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity, that so every tongue which believes might be gathered together to God

So as a whole is Judaism compatible with, or even part of Christianity? Christ did not think so.

Matthew 9:16-17 But no one puts a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and a worse tear results. Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wineskins burst, and the wine pours out and the wineskins are ruined; But they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved.”

You need to go back an learn a few things....
 

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You will stay saved if you:

"…continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel" (Colossians 1:23)

And if:

"…ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:2)

And if:

"…you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:22)

Because:

"…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," (Hebrews 10:26)
The 1 Corinthians 15.2 quote shows that Paul is here referring to those who believed in vain, i.e., likely never truly believed; the Lord knows the heart.

Romans 8.38-39 shows the eternal security of the believer; and John's First Epistle is full of assurance for the true believer.
 

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"…cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray… to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: …For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." (2 Peter 2:14-20)

These are not believers!

Peter is talking about people who gained the knowledge that Jesus is Messiah and then turn away from it!

Many have knowledge of Jesus Christ. But If they don’t believe and get born again, their latter end is unchanged: they will perish.

But those who have knowledge of Jesus Christ and believe (like those addressed in the letter); if they forsake the right way, their latter end is worse than their beginning because they cannot renew their new sins unto repentance. Their latter end is worse because they have no more hope of salvation. Whereas the first still have hope of believing to salvation.
 
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"By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:2)

Paul is here referring to those who believed in vain, i.e., likely never truly believed

Why are you changing the scripture?

If you sin wilfully after getting born again, your belief then becomes vain because salvation has been taken away.


"…the devils also believe, and tremble." (James 2:19)
 

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If you sin wilfully after getting born again, your belief then becomes vain because salvation has been taken away.
Salvation is never taken away. But there are other consequences for sinning wilfully. Can anyone be unborn in the physical realm and return to his mother's womb? Neither can a child of God be unborn after having experienced the New Birth. You really need to get a good understanding about salvation.
 

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This is true if:

"…you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel" (Colossians 1:23)
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And then you have ....workout your salvation with fear and trembling.

You do not want to take the stand that you can lose your salvation because there are too many scriptures that say you cannot.
Then it leads to the belief that if you do not do well that you were not saved to begin with...which opens a can of worms. We do not have a gauge or meter for faith. The Gospel was preached to a simple people...if you believed...then you believed. In modern times you have people getting rebaptized....like the first one did not take. How many times are you going to do that?

Wrong thinking....misunderstanding...twisted beliefs.
The fact is beyond the belief in Christ and the love of God...Christianity is a religion of morals, character, and loving one another by doing good things for one another.

Christianity is not a religion of the immoral or every man for himself....to thy own self be true...is a Pagan belief.

How do people get mixed up about this? We can get forgiveness for sins...but on the other hand...heaven will not be full of evildoers. Both statements are true.

No explanation is all encompassing, but as whole it is true that when we are saved we are permanently part of the family of God, through the adoption that Paul spoke of. Now we can do wrong and be forgiven....we can do wrong and be reprimanded...we can run away and be lost sheep...but we are still in the family of God and all that can be forgiven.

The biggest mistake is thinking that saved...salvation is a ticket to heaven...that all is decided when you are saved. believing that the day you are saved is Judgment Day. It is not. And Judgment Day is not sentencing day. Christ will take all things into account and you will either go to heaven or hell. You never lost being saved you are still a family member, but if you are judged to hell you are a family member that was sentenced to hell. That is why the scripture says to workout your salvation with fear and trembling. Salvation is very stable and secure, you have to work at it to find yourself in hell. The Son of God went through the passion and the cross to get us to heaven and have a relationship with God...a good plan...and as a whole it will have a high success rate.

But He expects us to do the best we can and do good for one another and as the scriptures say in the end, on Judgment Day our deeds will be judged. The go or no go is not at the moment of belief it is at Judgment Day, if it were, there would be no reason for Judgment Day. Now the scriptures list the things that can prevent you from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven....but if you notice it is listing the categories of people that sin. Sin lays at your door step and its desire is for you. Once you become that sin....through a lifestyle of that sin you are less likely to get forgiveness for that sin and you can end up standing in front of Christ with unforgiven sins.

Can an assassin pray for forgiveness for the murder he did today when he intends to murder the next day? A homosexual that has no intent of stopping his behavior cannot get forgiveness for that sin. Repentance is the stop check. Repentance is not only recognizing that you have done wrong, but an honest intent to stop to it. Christ knows our heart so there is no fooling Him. Unrepented sins are not forgiven. Christ died for our sins to establish a relationship with us. Is it too much for Him to expect us to do the best we can, to be good and do good...He certainly set the example.
 

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You do not want to take the stand that you can lose your salvation because there are too many scriptures that say you cannot

There aren’t any scriptures that say “you cannot lose your salvation”.

Understanding the scriptures as a whole you realize that all the scriptures that guarantee salvation apply to those who hear the word of God and do it; those who keep Christ’s sayings (all of them); those who cease from sin; those who walk not according to the will of the flesh, but to the will of God; those who have crucified the flesh with its desires.
 

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"By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:2)



Why are you changing the scripture?

If you sin wilfully after getting born again, your belief then becomes vain because salvation has been taken away.


"…the devils also believe, and tremble." (James 2:19)
Those who habitually continue to sin willfully are unlikely to have been truly born again in the first place. Otherwise it becomes a matter, not of depending on the work of Christ for salvation, but of supposedly trying to "stay saved" because of our efforts.
 

farouk

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There aren’t any scriptures that say “you cannot lose your salvation”.

Understanding the scriptures as a whole you realize that all the scriptures that guarantee salvation apply to those who hear the word of God and do it; those who keep Christ’s sayings (all of them); those who cease from sin; those who walk not according to the will of the flesh, but to the will of God; those who have crucified the flesh with its desires.
Were they ever truly saved in the first place?

Salvation is not like turning a faucet on and off; "Monday Mandy was saved; Tuesday she wasn't, Thursday she was; not sure about Friday."

Romans 8.38-39 is a great tonic to the true believer.