Satanism In The Vatican

[Hidden In Him]

The following dream was sent to me a few days ago, and I felt it was important enough that it should be made public. It relates indirectly to prophecy that will be fulfilled during the end-times.

Please keep in mind that I am not anti-Catholic. In light of the things discussed in this thread, however, I believe the time has come to "Come out from among her, that you not receive of her plagues." The Catholic Church is now becoming "a home of every foul thing, and every detestable bird." (Revelation 18:2)

I will post more on the consequences of these things, and how they will effect non-Catholic Christians in the future in subsequent threads.

God bless,
Hidden In Him

April 26, 2020- I was looking out my kitchen window and there were a sea of people. A lot of them had construction hats on, but there were normal non working people too.They were protesting the corona virus. Some were working and not wanting to work with it, and some were not working and wanting to go back to work. I went downstairs and there was like a train ride for kids/toddlers. One of the construction workers was running it. The others were just standing around everywhere in town. No one was on the kid train, and the construction worker held the lever running the train by the tracks. I thought that later I needed to bring Lorena down to ride, because she loves the kiddie train during street fair. This was the only ride there.

This dream is about the Vatican, and the coronavirus here represents the spread of Satanism within the Catholic Church. The sea of people represent the masses around Rome, many of whom work for the Church of Rome in one form or another. What is stopping many of them from working for the Church now, and bothering others who are still working for the Church but are now deeply concerned, are the revelations that came out about two years ago concerning the following event:
https://nypost.com/2017/07/05/vatican-cops-bust-drug-fueled-gay-orgy-at-cardinals-apartment/

What is not mentioned in this article is that a dossier was also confiscated at the time that implicated very high ranking members of the Vatican of actually engaging in Satanic rituals beneath the Vatican itself. The following video explains it:

The kiddie ride represents the tours that are held regularly at the Vatican, which go around in a regular circular route every day to entertain site seers, most of whom are usually spiritual "children" of the faith.
The Official Pristine Sistine™ Tour: Enter before the Public | Walks of Italy
Guided Vatican Tours | Tours of the Vatican
Best Vatican Tours

Vatican tours are a huge industry for the Catholic Church that is now taking a serious hit (i.e. "no one was riding on it") in attendance, not just because of the actual coronavirus, but because of the scandals surrounding the Vatican hierarchy engaging in Satanism. From one article on the recent drop in attendance:

"The delicate balancing act of preventing others from being contaminated while not increasing panic has proven to be a challenge, especially for the Vatican, which receives thousands of visitors each year to its museums, catacombs and churches. Matteo Alessandrini, a press officer at the Vatican Museums, acknowledged that cancellations by tour groups have caused a significant drop in visitors... A recent report in the Italian newspaper Il Messaggero stated that the Vatican Museums experienced 'an estimated 60% drop in attendance.'"
Preventing pandemic: Vatican moves to stop spread of coronavirus

Then it switched to me being at the hospital in my town. There was a crowd of people in front, looking at it and afraid to go in. Some of the people and a family with two small kids had mouths gaping open.

Edit: I remember the man telling a woman, that if she went inside, they were divorcing, while holding two kids in his arms. I didn't see this woman in the tour, even though it looked like she was going to go inside. I can't remember anything else about that part.

The Vatican is now represented as a "hospital," a place where the spiritually sick are supposed to go to receive healing. But they are not going in now. "Mouths gaping open" is a reference to shock; of being horrified about the revelations of Satanic rituals taking place there. This is why one couple is even considering divorce over it, the wife still remaining faithful to the Catholic Church but the husband now so opposed to it that he's threatening to leave and take the kids with him. Thus this woman is not seen taking the tour...

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[Hidden In Him]

I went inside, and this woman in a red business suit was giving people a tour and warning them that the coronavirus would get worse the farther inside the building they got. Yet, the people were not afraid and continued following her. It was like two Caucasian adults, don't know if they were a couple, and a hispanic teenager following this woman in a business suit. She showed them this storage closet at the end of the lit hallway... and there was a dead woman stuffed inside of a trunk with a look of horror on her face, and her arms put up as if she had been trying to protect herself before dying. The woman in the business suit looked horrified. The three were right behind her, partially in the closet/partially in the hallway. I do not know if the woman told them what she saw (she said something to them and was horrified) or if they happened to see it themselves. I was following them like I wasn't there, but it is like I got a bird's eye view, like I was looking down into the trunk. However it happened, the three in the tour began getting afraid. They started backing out of the closet with mouths gaped open and they all were headed back in the direction they came.

The tour guide warning them that "the coronavirus would get worse the farther inside the building they went" is a reference to rumors now circulating that the deeper one researches into top levels of the hierarchy in Rome, the more he encounters Satanists. According to the testimony of Malachi Martin:

"Suddenly it became unarguable that now during [Pope John Paul II's] papacy, the Roman Catholic organization carried a permanent presence of clerics who worshipped Satan and liked it; of bishops and priests who sodomized boys and each other; of nuns who performed the “Black Rites” of Wicca and lived in lesbian relationships... In total number they were a minority—anything from one to ten percent of Church personnel. But of that minority, many occupied astoundingly high positions or rank."
Fr. Malachi Martin Affirms - Satanism Practiced In The Vatican

So too did Veronica Lueken attest back in 1978, "How I warned and warned that Satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy in Rome. The Third Secret, My child, is that Satan would enter into My Son's Church." - Our Lady of the Roses, May 13, 1978

This warning of the spread of the "virus" would grow greater as one progressed farther into the building, however, is not taken that seriously by either the tour guide or the guests, since all continue on into the building unafraid. That bravery turns to shock and horror, however, when they encounter a dead body "in the closet." This references our expression, "skeletons in the closet." It refers to things the Catholic Church has done in its past that it doesn't want anyone finding out about. According to Malachi Martin, the Satanist takeover of the Vatican actually began back in 1963, when a secret Satanic ceremony was held in underground chambers there to commemorate it (described in detail in his book, "Windswept House"). Since then, these Satanic rituals have stepped up in frequency and severity.

Regarding these "sins in the Vatican's closet," there was even a book written recently which discussed this same subject matter and went by the same title of "In The Closet Of The Vatican."
In the Closet of the Vatican: Power, Homosexuality, Hypocrisy by Frédéric Martel – review

Interestingly, the writer mentions the death "of God" in his opening paragraph: "When God died, the official cause was elderly enfeeblement; after reading Frédéric Martel’s exposé of infamy in the Catholic church, I suspect that the old boy committed suicide in remorse, aghast at the crimes and un-Christian sins of organized religion."

But it was not God who died, however. It was the church who died as a result of being "aghast at the crimes" she is now witnessing. This is who the dead woman in the truck is, with the horrified look on her face, trying to protect herself but to no avail. It is mirrored in this dream by the many Catholics standing outside the church with "their mouths gaping open," and the tour guide and the visitors shocked and horrified as well. It represents them discovering the truth; that Satanism (and even child sacrifice) is now being practiced within the walls of the Church...

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[Hidden In Him]

But then it switched again where they were following her again down stairs in complete darkness. Like maybe they couldn't get out? Like it was too late? It was like a dark hole/abyss, and they started descending and started getting very afraid/screaming even. I saw where the coronavirus was, deep down below the hospital, but it was all completely dark. It was like looking beneath the floor and down into the earth. And I sensed torment/darkness there before waking up.

This entire passage of the dream is essentially explained in full by the testimony of Svali, a woman born into an Illuminati family, who at the age of 12 was taken to Rome and forced to undergo a Satanic ceremony in an underground room at the Vatican.

From a transcript of her interview with Greg Szymanski in 2004:
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GS: Okay, we’re back. It’s eight minutes after the hour, and we’re going to get deep inside the Illuminati, the Family, the Order. We have a guest who was involved with this group, born into it, for over thirty years. Her name is Svali. Svali, are you with us?

SV: Uh, yes I am.

GS: Well, it’s nice to have you here. I know you don’t give radio interviews, and I really want to thank you, because I think it really does help the American people understand about this secret organization that you were born into. So I guess we can just start from the beginning. Tell us – right from the beginning you were born into this, from wealthy parents. Tell us about your training in this group when you were a young child and then up until your orientation at the Vatican. Go ahead.

SV: (surprised, laughing) Well, that’s a pretty broad area, Greg! That could take hours, if you know what I mean.

GS: Yes, but do it, you know, if you could just outline it for us.

SV: Yeah. I mean, I was born in the group, I was born in Germany, and came to the US very young. I basically went through all the training that the group… all members of the group do undergo training to various degrees, depending on the role.

By the time I was a teenager, I was a youth leader, and by the time I was 22, I became the youngest member of Leadership Council in San Diego County . At that time I was a head trainer. I was the sixth trainer and eventually moved up to the second position.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: When I was twelve, I had mentioned with you the ceremony at the Vatican…

GS: Right.

SV: …that they really do make all leadership in the group undergo at some point.

GS: Now basically when you were growing up, I remember you told me that you were instilled at a young age. You were born to a very wealthy, well-to-do family.

SV: Yes.

GS: You moved back to the States. You were told at a very young age you were special, you were “chosen.” Correct?

SV: Well, they tell everyone in the group that they are special and chosen, and that’s one of the things that made me very cynical when I was older. You will never meet a person who is an Illuminati who has not been told or programmed for years that they’re special, they’re the only one that can do things for quote-unquote “Family”.

But I was told, yes, I would do great things for Family one day. The reason why I can filter some of this with an objective view is that I know what my role in the group was. It was over quite a significant number of other people. So I don’t evaluate my role or specialness within the group so much by what I was told, but by what I did.

(regretful downturn in voice on “what I did”)

GS: So you reached the age of 12, and then you’re told by your parents you’re going to an induction ceremony in the Vatican.

SV: Yes.

GS: Can you tell us how that happened and what occurred at that ceremony when you went there?

SV: (deep breath, voice becomes stressed) Okay. Um, this isn’t easy to talk about, as you know.

When I was twelve, I was flown over to Germany. And I was at, I’ll call them the German Fathers’ house, over there. And, there was some preparation for a few days, beforehand, and I was told that there would be a very important ceremony. And it was considered a sealing ceremony at that point. And basically I was told a little bit about what I was expected to do during the ceremony.

When we got there, we went through the Vatican. Underneath the Vatican there is a large room that I described to you when we talked before. It has 13 catacomb chambers leading into it. And what they do is as you go down these steps into the room, you can see that it’s circular, so they’re all rounded. They bring out the mummies from the catacombs. And they set them beside each one [each of the 13 catacomb chambers], and they say “That’s the spirit of the Fathers watching over the ceremony.”

During the ceremony, there was a large table in the center of the room. It was on top of this huge golden pentagram. They had a ceremony there.

GS: So how many kids, how many other children were with you being inducted into the Family or the Order, as they call it?

SV: There were two other children at that point. But there were several adults too.

GS: Okay.

SV: See, the Church also brings in adults to swear their allegiance, too, just so you know. I was told, and I don’t know if this is true, that if you want to rise to a certain position within the Catholic Church hierarchy, you do have to go through that ceremony as well.

GS: Okay, so you’re down in this room. Your parents weren’t present.

SV: No. No. The German Father and the French Father were.

GS: Okay, and at that point tell our listeners what you witnessed...

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SV: (pause, additional voice stress) Well, there was a table. It looked like dark glass in the center of the room. It was made out of a stone, but it was very shiny and darkened black. It may have been something like obsidian or onyx, I’m not sure. This was the only time I’ve seen stone like that.

Around the corners it had these gold channels that, you know, collect fluids. A little boy was placed in the center of the table and drugged. I think he was drugged, because he was very quiet. He didn’t move or say anything.

GS: This was a little three or four-year-old boy, right?

SV: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

GS: Then they continued to do a child sacrifice.

SV: Yes, they did. Yes. I told you about that before. Yeah.

GS: Now afterwards, quite, what an unbelievable experience for a youth, a 12-year-old. What went through your mind when that happened?

SV: I was terrified! I mean, I was absolutely horrified. I… I… I… I can’t describe the terror you feel when you go through something like that.

GS: And do you remember the words they were saying as this was going on?

SV: (pause) The man was in scarlet – he was speaking in Latin. And basically he was saying, “Please accept the sacrifice on this day.” And then he said, “This sacrifice will seal the ceremony.” And then he did it.

Again, I was so terrified that… (sighs) Have you ever been in a situation where your heart’s racing, but you can’t do anything? You’re just kind of sitting there, and you’re kind of fading in and out?

GS: Well, I can remember as a youth being frightened, but I don’t think I’ve ever…

SV: (crosstalk) No. All right.

GS:… had anything quite like what you’ve had.

SV: Imagine your heart rate going up to about 220. You can’t move. You’re kind of shaking, but you’re trying not to show it.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: It was horrible. Actually, I keep thinking inside, “I can’t wait ’till it’s over. I can’t wait.” You don’t say this, but inside you’re just saying over and over, “I can’t wait ’till this is over. I can’t wait ’till this is over. I can’t wait ’till it’s over.”

GS: Mm hm.

SV: Afterwards, the man in scarlet, he had a huge golden ring on his hand. He came over to the center of the room. Each of the people that were swearing that day had to go forward and kneel before him and kiss his ring, and swear my allegiance to the New Order, to the New World Order for all… until my death.

GS: Hm. Now at that point you were escorted out.

SV: Yes. Yeah. After the ceremony was all over. I mean, the other people also did theirs as well. They had to swear their allegiance too.

GS: And they were the same age as you?

SV: The two children were, but there were also three adults that went forward and did the same. And afterwards, we were told, (slowly and precisely): “May the same to you or worse occur should you ever break this oath.”

GS: Hm. So it’s basically… whew! Imagine at that age, what [this would do]. And you weren’t really prepped for this, were you? You were told there was a ceremony, but you didn’t expect anything like this, from what I’ve gathered talking to you.

SV: It was very difficult to go through, just because the sense of horrific oppression down there was the worst I’ve [ever felt.] I’ve gone through some ceremonies in my life in the Illuminati, you do go through them. But I have to say that in my experience this was the worst, just because… I can’t explain the amount of darkness in that room. It was just pure evil. And unless you’ve ever been in a… seen a person… it was just horrible.

It wasn’t just what happened, but just… I mean, the oppression. And I’m a Christian now, and I know the difference between when there is evil present – oppression – or when God’s love is present, which is joy and peace. That’s the exact opposite of what there was in that room.

GS: Now you know what I find quite interesting about this? About 25 years ago, I was a reporter and a freelance writer in Rome, and I spent six years there. I walked through the Vatican many, many times… hundreds of times. I covered the papal addresses, things like that.

During that time I was there during a Vatican scandal, which involved the Church bank and other things… members of the Illuminati, the Freemasons. I was approached by a woman, Maria Vendital (ph), and I’ll never forget this. Rome’s a small town. People knew I was covering stories about the secret societies, things like that. I had to ask people.

Well, this woman came up to me and told me similar stories. She wasn’t quite as specific because she couldn’t handle it without breaking out crying, and tried to commit suicide twice because she couldn’t get out of the Illuminati. She was a member, born into it from a very wealthy northern Italian family. She told me basically the same ceremony took place with her.

And so, when I started talking to you, I wanted to relay that to you, and also to relay to my listeners that I also heard about this, 25 years ago, from a woman by the name of Maria, and several other people in Italy that I talked to. I was never able to locate or really, probably for my own safety, ever find out what happened.

But again, Svali’s corroborating a story that I heard about 25 years ago. We’ll get back after the break with this incredible story of a member who is now out of the Illuminati, out of the group and safe, on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

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GS: Okay, we’re back on the Investigative Journal. I’m your host, Greg Szymanski. We’re talking to Svali, a member of the Family, the Order, the Illuminati, for thirty years.

Svali, you leave the induction ceremony. You walk out into the Vatican courtyard with one of the fathers, I believe. What did he tell you then?

SV: At that point he just told me to never forget. He told me that I had performed well during the ceremony because I didn’t scream or pass out or anything like that. He said “You did very well,” and he was pleased. Then we stayed at a home nearby. It must have been a local person. I didn’t know them. We spent the night there before we went back to Germany.

GS: Okay, and what about the other people during the ceremony. How did they handle themselves? Do you remember?

SV: (sighs) I’m going to say, unfortunately, I was so… when you’re in that kind of situation, the last thing you’re thinking about sometimes is what the other people are doing. (Laughs) I was just so trying not to lose it myself. I do know that no one screamed or shouted or anything like that. Everyone was quiet. I think to say ‘dead silence,’ is, unless the person was spoken to, true – or unless they had to go forward and kiss the ring.

Transcript Svali’s Interview with Greg Szymanski

 

[Hidden In Him]

... This entire passage of the dream is essentially explained in full by the testimony of Svali, a woman born into an Illuminati family, who at the age of 12 was taken to Rome and forced to undergo a Satanic ceremony in an underground room at the Vatican.

From a transcript of her interview with Greg Szymanski in 2004:
____________________
GS: Okay, we’re back. It’s eight minutes after the hour, and we’re going to get deep inside the Illuminati, the Family, the Order. We have a guest who was involved with this group, born into it, for over thirty years. Her name is Svali. Svali, are you with us?

SV: Uh, yes I am.

GS: Well, it’s nice to have you here. I know you don’t give radio interviews, and I really want to thank you, because I think it really does help the American people understand about this secret organization that you were born into. So I guess we can just start from the beginning. Tell us – right from the beginning you were born into this, from wealthy parents. Tell us about your training in this group when you were a young child and then up until your orientation at the Vatican. Go ahead.

SV: (surprised, laughing) Well, that’s a pretty broad area, Greg! That could take hours, if you know what I mean.

GS: Yes, but do it, you know, if you could just outline it for us.

SV: Yeah. I mean, I was born in the group, I was born in Germany, and came to the US very young. I basically went through all the training that the group… all members of the group do undergo training to various degrees, depending on the role.

By the time I was a teenager, I was a youth leader, and by the time I was 22, I became the youngest member of Leadership Council in San Diego County . At that time I was a head trainer. I was the sixth trainer and eventually moved up to the second position.

GS: Mm hm.

SV: When I was twelve, I had mentioned with you the ceremony at the Vatican…

GS: Right.

SV: …that they really do make all leadership in the group undergo at some point.

GS: Now basically when you were growing up, I remember you told me that you were instilled at a young age. You were born to a very wealthy, well-to-do family.

SV: Yes.

GS: You moved back to the States. You were told at a very young age you were special, you were “chosen.” Correct?

SV: Well, they tell everyone in the group that they are special and chosen, and that’s one of the things that made me very cynical when I was older. You will never meet a person who is an Illuminati who has not been told or programmed for years that they’re special, they’re the only one that can do things for quote-unquote “Family”.

But I was told, yes, I would do great things for Family one day. The reason why I can filter some of this with an objective view is that I know what my role in the group was. It was over quite a significant number of other people. So I don’t evaluate my role or specialness within the group so much by what I was told, but by what I did.

(regretful downturn in voice on “what I did”)

GS: So you reached the age of 12, and then you’re told by your parents you’re going to an induction ceremony in the Vatican.

SV: Yes.

GS: Can you tell us how that happened and what occurred at that ceremony when you went there?

SV: (deep breath, voice becomes stressed) Okay. Um, this isn’t easy to talk about, as you know.

When I was twelve, I was flown over to Germany. And I was at, I’ll call them the German Fathers’ house, over there. And, there was some preparation for a few days, beforehand, and I was told that there would be a very important ceremony. And it was considered a sealing ceremony at that point. And basically I was told a little bit about what I was expected to do during the ceremony.

When we got there, we went through the Vatican. Underneath the Vatican there is a large room that I described to you when we talked before. It has 13 catacomb chambers leading into it. And what they do is as you go down these steps into the room, you can see that it’s circular, so they’re all rounded. They bring out the mummies from the catacombs. And they set them beside each one [each of the 13 catacomb chambers], and they say “That’s the spirit of the Fathers watching over the ceremony.”

During the ceremony, there was a large table in the center of the room. It was on top of this huge golden pentagram. They had a ceremony there.

GS: So how many kids, how many other children were with you being inducted into the Family or the Order, as they call it?

SV: There were two other children at that point. But there were several adults too.

GS: Okay.

SV: See, the Church also brings in adults to swear their allegiance, too, just so you know. I was told, and I don’t know if this is true, that if you want to rise to a certain position within the Catholic Church hierarchy, you do have to go through that ceremony as well.

GS: Okay, so you’re down in this room. Your parents weren’t present.

SV: No. No. The German Father and the French Father were.

GS: Okay, and at that point tell our listeners what you witnessed...

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Discussing this with a friend over at Worthy. She was likewise ritually abused as a child, and has a friend who knew Svali personally (the girl referred to in Posts #3-4).

Satanism In The Vatican

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Pope Paul said that Satan had entered the Vatican and Pope Benedict said all about this as well even before he was the Pope.

 

[Cristo Rei]

Born and raised as a Catholic i became the prodigal son for about 20 years before coming back to God
I consider myself a soft Catholic. I don't do hail Mary's or try to defend the RCC in every little way like the hardcore do

When I returned I found the RCC was infected by evil, just like every other corner of society
So where can I go the worship the Lord. So many other denominations, is there a perfect one... Unlikely

Will we be thrown into the lake of fire because of the sins of some pastors...
After some time thinking and investigating I found enough evidence to conclude that we are still in Christ and can't possibly be punished for the crimes of others.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Pope Paul said that Satan had entered the Vatican and Pope Benedict said all about this as well even before he was the Pope.

Greetings, Reggie.

I strongly doubt that either of them ever publicly confessed that child sacrifice was going on inside the walls of the Vatican in worship to Satan. If they had, there would have been a formal investigation into whether or not they might actually be accessories to murder. The media firestorm would have been something I doubt I would have missed.

But whatever it is you actually are saying, send me the quotes. I'd like to read them.

God bless,
Hidden

 

[Hidden In Him]

Born and raised as a Catholic i became the prodigal son for about 20 years before coming back to God
I consider myself a soft Catholic. I don't do hail Mary's or try to defend the RCC in every little way like the hardcore do

When I returned I found the RCC was infected by evil, just like every other corner of society
So where can I go the worship the Lord. So many other denominations, is there a perfect one... Unlikely

Will we be thrown into the lake of fire because of the sins of some pastors...
After some time thinking and investigating I found enough evidence to conclude that we are still in Christ and can't possibly be punished for the crimes of others.

Hello, Cristo Rei, and welcome to Christianity Board.

Please don't take offense. I have a habit of picking apart people's logic on occasion. But my response here would be that this would not fall under the heading of something we could simply overlook if necessary. If a pastor were discovered to be watching a little porno or maybe smoking a little reefer on Mondays just to unwind from a stressful job, that would be one thing. But as per my post above to Belafonte, if it were discovered that he was sacrificing 6 year old boys on a Satanic altar in the middle of the church, I think that might raise a bit of a red flag with me, LoL.

It's not exactly apples to oranges here; like he stole some waiter's tips one day, or gave some little, old lady "the signal" in traffic because he was having a senior moment, LoL.

Welcome again to CB. Hope you stay awhile.

 

[Cristo Rei]

Hello, Cristo Rei, and welcome to Christianity Board.

Please don't take offense. I have a habit of picking apart people's logic on occasion. But my response here would be that this would not fall under the heading of something we could simply overlook if necessary. If a pastor were discovered to be watching a little porno or maybe smoking a little reefer on Mondays just to unwind from a stressful job, that would be one thing. But as per my post above to Belafonte, if it were discovered that he was sacrificing 6 year old boys on a Satanic altar in the middle of the church, I think that might raise a bit of a red flag with me, LoL.

It's not exactly apples to oranges here; like he stole some waiter's tips one day, or gave some little, old lady "the signal" in traffic because he was having a senior moment, LoL.

Welcome again to CB. Hope you stay awhile.

Hi thanks for the welcome

I understand the allegations, it's not the first time that the Vatican has been linked to the occult
Im definitely not saying it should be overlooked. In fact I encourage investigation to reveal the truth

What i was pondering was weather every Catholic would be condemned by God because of it
Weather the whole Church would be abandoned by God because of it
One might argue that seeing I knew about all these crimes by pastors and continued to go to Church that i myself would be in sin

Satan has been trying really hard to get into the Catholic church for a long time in many ways. But God is still there
Do u remember how Jesus gave his disciples the authority to drive out demons. That authority has remained in the RCC
And when we look at who does exorcisms these days we see that the RCC is still the leading most authority

How can a person drive out evil spirits and demons? Only with the power of God can this be done
U mite think exorcisms are fake but that's like saying Satan is fake as well as angels and God
So to me this is clear evidence that those ordained in the RCC are still with God
They still carry the same authority that Jesus gave to his disciples, to drive out demons

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hi thanks for the welcome

I understand the allegations, it's not the first time that the Vatican has been linked to the occult
Im definitely not saying it should be overlooked. In fact I encourage investigation to reveal the truth

What i was pondering was weather every Catholic would be condemned by God because of it
Weather the whole Church would be abandoned by God because of it
One might argue that seeing I knew about all these crimes by pastors and continued to go to Church that i myself would be in sin

Satan has been trying really hard to get into the Catholic church for a long time in many ways. But God is still there.

Greetings again, and thanks for the reply. I just posted this at the other forum, and I think it relates to your question. Something specifically referenced in the dream itself seems to refer to this.

"Just checking in for a second to post something. I just realized something that explains another part of the dream. When reading it, I found it unbelievable that the tour guide and the visitors would witness something so terrifying and horrifying as to make them want to run from the church in the direction from which they came (i.e. after seeing a corpse in a trunk), and yet in the very next scene they are right back to following the tour guide deeper down into building (see Post #2). It is as if nothing ever happened.

In interpreting it I kept asking myself, "Why are they back in the tour, and now going even deeper?" My friend didn't know either, telling me, "Maybe they couldn't get out? Like it was too late?"

I found the answer this morning watching some more videos: Many have been so deeply indoctrinated that they will just shrug things off and keep going, believing that the Catholic Church is still the One True Church.

This is confirmed by the following. This is the same man who was exposing the Vatican of engaging in Satanic rituals in the video posted in the OP. This is 18 months later, yet he is still defining the Catholic Church as "the true Bride of Christ" as opposed to Protestantism. Due to the changes that have taken place and the presence of Satanists now deeply embedded at the highest levels of the Vatican, the truth is the Catholic Church is becoming the Whore as described in Revelation 17 and 18. But this well-meaning man can't see it yet. He is still walking headlong in the wrong direction as he was before.

This inability to open one's eyes is what will ultimately lead many to their damnation, as the dream suggests."

Do u remember how Jesus gave his disciples the authority to drive out demons. That authority has remained in the RCC
And when we look at who does exorcisms these days we see that the RCC is still the leading most authority

How can a person drive out evil spirits and demons? Only with the power of God can this be done
U mite think exorcisms are fake but that's like saying Satan is fake as well as angels and God
So to me this is clear evidence that those ordained in the RCC are still with God
They still carry the same authority that Jesus gave to his disciples, to drive out demons

Yes, and what you are saying is true. I don't doubt for a second that the Catholic exorcisms are genuine, and I think they are in fact the leading practitioners of that gift still.

But here's the thing. Father Gabriele Amorth was the leading exorcist in the RCC for the better part of three decades I think, and he also came out proclaiming that Satan was now inside the Vatican.

He added that the assault on Pope Benedict XVI on Christmas Eve by a mentally unstable woman and the sex abuse scandals which have engulfed the Church in the US, Ireland, Germany and other countries, were proof that the Anti-Christ was waging a war against the Holy See. "The Devil resides in the Vatican and you can see the consequences," said Father Amorth, 85, who has been the Holy See's chief exorcist for 25 years.... The evil influence of Satan was evident in the highest ranks of the Catholic hierarchy, with "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon," Father Amorth said.
Chief exorcist says Devil is in Vatican

I suppose you, too, could site this as support for the idea that Catholics should not just give up, but I think you are now fighting a battle you cannot win. Just my opinion, however. I honestly hope things can be turned around. But I fear they won't be.

 

[Timtofly]

Hi thanks for the welcome

I understand the allegations, it's not the first time that the Vatican has been linked to the occult
Im definitely not saying it should be overlooked. In fact I encourage investigation to reveal the truth

What i was pondering was weather every Catholic would be condemned by God because of it
Weather the whole Church would be abandoned by God because of it
One might argue that seeing I knew about all these crimes by pastors and continued to go to Church that i myself would be in sin

Satan has been trying really hard to get into the Catholic church for a long time in many ways. But God is still there
Do u remember how Jesus gave his disciples the authority to drive out demons. That authority has remained in the RCC
And when we look at who does exorcisms these days we see that the RCC is still the leading most authority

How can a person drive out evil spirits and demons? Only with the power of God can this be done
U mite think exorcisms are fake but that's like saying Satan is fake as well as angels and God
So to me this is clear evidence that those ordained in the RCC are still with God
They still carry the same authority that Jesus gave to his disciples, to drive out demons

Jesus was accused of using Satan in casting out demons. Then when he asked how they cast out demons, they could not answer. It is quite possible that Satan both possesses and cast demons out of people with no problems at all. God is no where in the whole manipulation process. When the church joined hands with the government, Satan was already there preparing the way. Jesus had already warned the disciples to separate and render unto ceasear (government) separate from God (the church). They were never supposed to be in a union together.

 

[amadeus]

@Cristo Rei
Perhaps more to the point of to your questions my friend I would simply say to stay always on the Lord's side no matter what anyone else may be doing... or not doing. I did come out of the Catholic Church myself several years before you were born. I still don't advise anyone randomly to come out of her as if that would definitely be the solution to all of their problems. It would not!

I will advise a people to seek the Lord and to seek His will for themselves. There may be a better place for you to worship, but that is not my call to make. God has reasons why He calls people where He calls them and why sometimes He will leave people where they are. He has work to be done in lots of places and He has workers, I believe, to accomplish His work in each place.

I knew and believed God when I was still an active Catholic. I had nothing but good experiences with the nuns and priests that I knew in those early years. My best friends when I was a Catholic were mostly Catholics as well. "Saints" in the Catholic sense of the word, they may not have been, but neither were they people with no hope. That is true today of people in every church group of my own experience. Just remember always that no man can save you... especially not yourself. Trust the One who can and will draw you closer to Him.

 

[Cristo Rei]

@Cristo Rei
Perhaps more to the point of to your questions my friend I would simply say to stay always on the Lord's side no matter what anyone else may be doing... or not doing. I did come out of the Catholic Church myself several years before you were born. I still don't advise anyone randomly to come out of her as if that would definitely be the solution to all of their problems. It would not!

I will advise a people to seek the Lord and to seek His will for themselves. There may be a better place for you to worship, but that is not my call to make. God has reasons why He calls people where He calls them and why sometimes He will leave people where they are. He has work to be done in lots of places and He has workers, I believe, to accomplish His work in each place.

I knew and believed God when I was still an active Catholic. I had nothing but good experiences with the nuns and priests that I knew in those early years. My best friends when I was a Catholic were mostly Catholics as well. "Saints" in the Catholic sense of the word, they may not have been, but neither were they people with no hope. That is true today of people in every church group of my own experience. Just remember always that no man can save you... especially not yourself. Trust the One who can and will draw you closer to Him.

Thanks. That is kind of what I do. Im not exactly the most knowledgeable Catholic and I like to keep it fairly simple.
I also don't follow what happens at the Vatican much. I know that evil has been lurking and I think there may be some kind of schism as well.

All i really want is a church to go to on Sundays. Wen i tried looking for other churches i got so confused and overwhelmed by so many denominations that I just gave up and went back to my old church. Maybe orthodox would be the most similar, i don't know.

Thats why i try to ignore that stuff about the RCC, I can't do anything about it, my allegiance is to God first. My battles are against Satans temptations but i can't battle him in other theaters like society and church. Im not fighting to defend the RCC either.

Finding and learning about God again was such a joy. Finding and learning about Christianity has been painful

 

[Mayflower]

Following

 

[amadeus]

Thanks. That is kind of what I do. Im not exactly the most knowledgeable Catholic and I like to keep it fairly simple.
I also don't follow what happens at the Vatican much. I know that evil has been lurking and I think there may be some kind of schism as well.

All i really want is a church to go to on Sundays. Wen i tried looking for other churches i got so confused and overwhelmed by so many denominations that I just gave up and went back to my old church. Maybe orthodox would be the most similar, i don't know.

Thats why i try to ignore that stuff about the RCC, I can't do anything about it, my allegiance is to God first. My battles are against Satans temptations but i can't battle him in other theaters like society and church. Im not fighting to defend the RCC either.

Finding and learning about God again was such a joy. Finding and learning about Christianity has been painful

I don't recommend church hunting to anyone. Of course if a person really believes God wants them to that, OK. I believe that in most cases if God wants you some place else and you are faithful to Him He will see to it. Give God the glory!

 

[Cristo Rei]

I don't recommend church hunting to anyone. Of course if a person really believes God wants them to that, OK. I believe that in most cases if God wants you some place else and you are faithful to Him He will see to it. Give God the glory!

Thank you for your kind words

I got so disheartened by the pedophile scandals, the pope, this and that, I did start looking around for another church
It was like a rabbit hole maze that went deeper and deeper. Looking back now I think i was mislead by the evil one
I basically got lost and afraid and started calling out like a lost sheep, through prayer

Then my mindset changed, thanks to the Holy Spirit i believe. What am I looking for?
A place to go to mass on Sundays, to be in communion with Christ and worship the creator. Nothing more

My relationship isn't with a pedophile or Satanic worshiper or the Vatican or even RCC dogmas
My relationship is with God. So all i need is a parish with a priest that isn't shady and Christ is there

We probably don't even need a church cos Christ is everywhere
But for me I find i can get side tracked as im carrying my cross and loose sight of Christ. Church is the reminder I need.
It helps keep Christ right in front of me so I can follow his path and not get lost again

 

[MattMooradian]

Of course the Catholic Church is satanic - Jesus called Peter "Satan" ("Get ye behind me, Satan!")
No, of course not. Some will be saved within the Catholic Church, some will be condemned to hell fire from within the Evangelical Church. The question is not if Catholicism is Satanic, the question is if you or I are sufficiently faithful to join Jesus in Heaven.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Of course the Catholic Church is satanic - Jesus called Peter "Satan" ("Get ye behind me, Satan!")
No, of course not. Some will be saved within the Catholic Church, some will be condemned to hell fire from within the Evangelical Church. The question is not if Catholicism is Satanic, the question is if you or I are sufficiently faithful to join Jesus in Heaven.

The Catholic Church is Christ Jesus Body of people and all denominations claim to be Catholic in fact ? and if they don't they are clearly of Satan.

The Roman Catholic Church that we all know of is the Roman denomination Church. it also claims to be Catholic as well.

The Point about Peter that Jesus said, was that Peter was not doing his will, Peter still had not come to know who Jesus truly was, he had faith that Jesus was ? but he did not "know" Jesus Christ, Peter and all disciples thought that Jesus was going to be a worldly Leader.

A mate was ranting to me that all the disciples knew that Jesus was the Christ. no ! they did not know him at all ! they only had faith that he was the one, they only knew him after he had gone up to Heaven, as the Holy Spirit gave them such understanding. then the lights came on because this was God given. we see with Nathaniel that he knew who Jesus was directly and Jesus said what Nathaniel would see ? the Heavens open and all ?
Now why did Jesus say that to Nathaniel, because he was a true Israelite in deed. Only one who is a True Israelite = Servant of God would be worthy to understand who Jesus was as Moses said about him to come.
Not to mention what was the True Israelite doing ? trying to make the fig tree bear fruit ?
Remember Jesus cursed the Fig tree ? why because it did not bear fruit, this Tree is Israel.
Jesus Christ is the Vine and all who do not abide in him are cut off.

Catholic is about being all inclusive, set aside from the world, in the Spiritual sense the Kingdom of God, in the worldly sense Universal.
The RCC nowadays is not that as they are clearly in bed with the Jews and Islam, with the stupid Satanic Pope claiming that they serve the same God as he does ? now how can they serve the same God, when they clearly do not understand that one must come to the only begotten Son of God before they can come to know the Father. Such is clearly of Satan and of the Anti-Christ. guilty as charged in fact ! and I am not surprised at all.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Greetings, Reggie.

I strongly doubt that either of them ever publicly confessed that child sacrifice was going on inside the walls of the Vatican in worship to Satan. If they had, there would have been a formal investigation into whether or not they might actually be accessories to murder. The media firestorm would have been something I doubt I would have missed.

But whatever it is you actually are saying, send me the quotes. I'd like to read them.

God bless,
Hidden

I never said that they were.

I thought that every RC knew about when Paul said such, it's on youtube and same with Cardinal Ratzinger that he wrote in the 1960's or 1972 I think it was about how and where the Church was heading in the world.
Sorry I did not wright such down that I remember as how to find such. one just has to seek.

I am not against the RCC like some who go spastic ranting on and on with so much dribble, their is evil in all Religion and every Church in fact, if one does not believe such they are a fool. because that's what Jesus is pointing out about Man and Mans works are not of the Holy Spirit, so not all in the Church are truly Born again, so no wonder we have evil working within the Churches. Bishop Sheen points this all out as well on youtube.