Saved by obeying the commandments?

[Ritajanice]

If you only believed the living Word of God you wouldn't add falsehoods like the words "present and future"

Jesus is the Author of taking away our sin nature, not excusing it for future

Colossians 2:13-14.

“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;” Colossians 2:13-14


You need to understand what it means to be in the righteousness of Christ....

Plus you say you have spiritual gifts, which are?

I’m Alive in Christ...my spirit is Alive in Christ....spiritual birth...supernatural birth...it’s not my head that was birthed, it was my spirit....Spirit gives birth to spirit...without that, you are dead and in sin..alienated from God.

I also asked to show scripture that he hasn’t forgiven my past, present and future sins?

 

[friend of]

God does not charge sin to you.

Right. I literally made that point.

 

[Behold]

No, the gospel of Christ is all the passagesi

Read carefully..

Paul teaching..
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"""For I would have you know, BRETHREN, that the .....GOSPEL ....which was preached by me is not according to man.

For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a Revelation from Jesus Christ """

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[Ritajanice]

Read carefully..

Paul teaching..

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For I would have you know, brethren, that the .....GOSPEL ....which was preached by me is not according to man.

12For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

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It’s spiritual the word of God...you can only understand it through becoming Born Again...otherwise it wouldn’t make an ounce of sense.

We, the Born Again...feed on the LIVING word of God, why, because we are Alive in Christ....

 

[Behold]

Right. I literally made that point.

So then, you dont have any sin........(If you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious).

Otherwise, GOD would charge it to you.

Why is there no sin charged to the born again?

Because God has Judged Jesus on the Cross for it all., 2000 yrs ago.

Imagine someone who says "im a christian" who is confessing sin, that isn't charged to them.

Do you know anyone who is in that warped misunderstanding of "Christianity"???.... friend of?

I know people who are in that wrong understanding of SALVATION for 39-60 yrs..

 

[friend of]

I know people who are in that wrong understanding of SALVATION for 39-60 yrs.

Well which is it? Is it 39 years or is it 60 years? Shouldn't you of all people know which is which?

Do you agree with the following statement:

A man who sins is a sinner.

Simple yes or no would suffice.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Colossians 2:13-14.

“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you ALL TRESPASSES; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;” Colossians 2:13-14


You need to understand what it means to be in the righteousness of Christ....

Plus you say you have spiritual gifts, which are?

I’m Alive in Christ...my spirit is Alive in Christ....spiritual birth...supernatural birth...it’s not my head that was birthed, it was my spirit....Spirit gives birth to spirit...without that, you are dead and in sin..alienated from God.

I also asked to show scripture that he hasn’t forgiven my past, present and future sins?

When He cleanses us from all unrighteousness He cleanses sin out of our NATURE, the SOURCE of our sinning. If you truly understood that and how powerful the Spirit of Christ is to free us from sin, you wouldn't justify sinning now or in the future! Being in the righteousness of Christ is walking in the Spirit continuously from now and forever. We are born again and CANNOT SIN in the present or the future. What is so hard to understand? Your phrase is from a doctrine of demons. Reject it and be free from sin.

8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Spiritual gifts? I had all but 3. But 2 months ago I asked for another and immediately received it, so now the only ones I don't have are diverse kinds of tongues for the profit of all to give messages FROM God, and Interpretation of said tongues. I do have the individual sign of speaking in tongues for private use. It is not for the profit of all in a congregation, and doesn't require interpretation.

So read Joel 2, Mark 16:16-18, 1 Corinthians 12, and in Ephesians 4 Jesus spoke to me and told me He is giving me the Office of Teacher. Though I have the gift of prophecy, I do not have the Office of Prophet.

Do you have any gifts yet?

 

[Behold]

A man who sins is a sinner.

An unbeliever is a sinner

A Born again "new Creation in Christ" is not a sinner.

There is no sin found "in Christ" and all the born again are "in Christ".

 

[Behold]

When He cleanses us from all unrighteousness He cleanses sin out of our NATURE,

God does not cleans sin out of our nature.

God gives us a Divine Nature, that is the "New Creation in Christ".

"i'll put a new heart within you"..

Its that.

We are Colossians 2:11............separated from the "old dead man of sin"

The "nature" you are describing, is "the old man of sin that is crucified with Christ"

 

[Ritajanice]

When He cleanses us from all unrighteousness He cleanses sin out of our NATURE, the SOURCE of our sinning. If you truly understood that and how powerful the Spirit of Christ is to free us from sin, you wouldn't justify sinning now or in the future! Being in the righteousness of Christ is walking in the Spirit continuously from now and forever. We are born again and CANNOT SIN in the present or the future. What is so hard to understand? Your phrase is from a doctrine of demons. Reject it and be free from sin.

8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Spiritual gifts? I had all but 3. But 2 months ago I asked for another and immediately received it, so now the only ones I don't have are diverse kinds of tongues for the profit of all to give messages FROM God, and Interpretation of said tongues. I do have the individual sign of speaking in tongues for private use. It is not for the profit of all in a congregation, and doesn't require interpretation.

So read Joel 2, Mark 16:16-18, 1 Corinthians 12, and in Ephesians 4 Jesus spoke to me and told me He is giving me the Office of Teacher. Though I have the gift of prophecy, I do not have the Office of Prophet.

Do you have any gifts yet?

what is the office of Prophet?

 

[Behold]

Well which is it? Is it 39 years or is it 60 years?

"people"., as i said.

 

[Ritajanice]

God does not cleans sin out of our nature.

God gives us a Divine Nature, that is the "New Creation in Christ".

"i'll put a new heart within you"..

Its that.

Thank you Brother....that’s exactly what it is @1stCenturyLady

Amen,Amen,Amen @Behold

 

[Ritajanice]

When He cleanses us from all unrighteousness He cleanses sin out of our NATURE, the SOURCE of our sinning. If you truly understood that and how powerful the Spirit of Christ is to free us from sin, you wouldn't justify sinning now or in the future! Being in the righteousness of Christ is walking in the Spirit continuously from now and forever. We are born again and CANNOT SIN in the present or the future. What is so hard to understand? Your phrase is from a doctrine of demons. Reject it and be free from sin.

8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Spiritual gifts? I had all but 3. But 2 months ago I asked for another and immediately received it, so now the only ones I don't have are diverse kinds of tongues for the profit of all to give messages FROM God, and Interpretation of said tongues. I do have the individual sign of speaking in tongues for private use. It is not for the profit of all in a congregation, and doesn't require interpretation.

So read Joel 2, Mark 16:16-18, 1 Corinthians 12, and in Ephesians 4 Jesus spoke to me and told me He is giving me the Office of Teacher. Though I have the gift of prophecy, I do not have the Office of Prophet.

Do you have any gifts yet?

It’s this...you need to listen to Behold....
Behold says..100%agree.
God does not cleans sin out of our nature.

God gives us a Divine Nature, that is the "New Creation in Christ".

"i'll put a new heart within you"..

Its that.

We are Colossians 2:11............separated from the "old dead man of sin"

The "nature" you are describing, is "the old man of sin that is crucified with Christ"

 

[1stCenturyLady]

God does not cleans sin out of our nature.

God gives us a Divine Nature, that is the "New Creation in Christ".

"i'll put a new heart within you"..

Its that.

We are Colossians 2:11............separated from the "old dead man of sin"

The "nature" you are describing, is "the old man of sin that is crucified with Christ"

The sin he take away is nailed to the cross. We are NOT battling two natures!

BTW, on works.

Do not take the doctrine to Jewish converts that “we are not saved by works” of the Old Covenant and twisting the true doctrine to include New Covenant works of righteousness taught by Jesus for us to observe. You are confused between the two covenants and do not read carefully enough to understand Titus 3:1-7 in context but twist it to a predetermined interpretation. Paul meant the physical works of the Old Covenant LAW! Circumcision, days, weeks months and years, avoiding meats that used to be deemed unclean, sacrifices, etc.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It’s this...you need to listen to Behold....
Behold says..100%agree.
God does not cleans sin out of our nature.

God gives us a Divine Nature, that is the "New Creation in Christ".

"i'll put a new heart within you"..

Its that.

We are Colossians 2:11............separated from the "old dead man of sin"

The "nature" you are describing, is "the old man of sin that is crucified with Christ"

Why do you believe Jesus leaves sin in our nature when He takes away our sin? Yes, we partake of a divine nature, but can't if Satan's influence on us from sin in our nature is still present in us. Light and darkness does not dwell together. When sin left my nature I felt it lift out of me.

 

[Ritajanice]

Why do you believe Jesus leaves sin in our nature when He takes away our sin? Yes, we partake of a divine nature, but can't if Satan's influence on us from sin in our nature is still present in us. Light and darkness doesn't not dwell together.

God gives us a divine nature when we have been birthed in the Spirit..there is NO SIN in the Holy Spirit who indwells our spirit...your post doesn’t make sense to me @1stCenturyLady ...

A Born Again does NOT SIN....impossible..they are in Christ and there is NO SIN in Christ.

Ezekiel 36:26

New International Version

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26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

God gives us a divine nature when we have been birthed in the Spirit..there is NO SIN in the Holy Spirit who indwells our spirit...your post doesn’t make sense to me @1stCenturyLady ...

A Born Again does NOT SIN....impossible..they are in Christ and there is NO SIN in Christ.

Ezekiel 36:26​

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New International Version​

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26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

That is correct. So why do you think you are going to sin in the present and in the future? YOU CAN'T!!!

And why do you think you still have a sin nature?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

what is the office of Prophet?

They operate in the gift of prophecy for the Church. Prophecy is not just foretelling, but forth-telling. It is never fortunetelling

 

[Ritajanice]

That is correct. So why do you think you are going to sin in the present and in the future? YOU CAN'T!!!

And why do you think you still have a sin nature?

Romans 81 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [1]2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, [2] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. [3] And so he condemned sin in sinful man, [4]4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.6 The mind of sinful man [5] is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace;7 the sinful mind [6] is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

God does not cleans sin out of our nature.

God gives us a Divine Nature, that is the "New Creation in Christ".

"i'll put a new heart within you"..

Its that.

We are Colossians 2:11............separated from the "old dead man of sin"

The "nature" you are describing, is "the old man of sin that is crucified with Christ"

Does the Divine Nature have immature fruit of the Spirit? Are we both sinless AND perfect day one?

No, we are sinless, but our newly cleansed human nature that PARTAKES of the divine nature of God still needs to mature in the fruit of the Spirit. The cutting away of the sin out of our nature is called the circumcision without hands. He doesn't cut away the whole nature, only the sinful part.

that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Behold, stop teaching half truths.

cc: @Ritajanice