kcnalp
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So God made a huge mistake?He wasn't evil because of God. He was evil, so God used that. If he'd been willing to follow God, that would have been what God used. God can't author any evil.
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So God made a huge mistake?He wasn't evil because of God. He was evil, so God used that. If he'd been willing to follow God, that would have been what God used. God can't author any evil.
I'm not a calvinist. For the record, I was agreeing with you.You fear being exposed by the truth. You cannot stand up to the truth. And the world knows you and your evil. A warning to the world! Do not get caught up in the snares of Calvinism! Be warned! Be warned! Satan seek you and stands at the pulpit of every Calvinist church.
What mistake? Creating the world? What if this is truly the best of all possible worlds where free will exists? Would it not be better to create it and be loved by some then to not create at all?So God made a huge mistake?
So if you murder someone, your get out of jail card is still valid?
This is the truth. It will be hidden at first or called a mystery, until they reel you in.I'm not a calvinist. For the record, I was agreeing with you.
I probably could have phrased it better.This is the truth. It will be hidden at first or called a mystery, until they reel you in.
OOPS. It is the reel you in that got me. Sorry. Duly noted.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way to life and FEW there be who find it.What mistake? Creating the world? What if this is truly the best of all possible worlds where free will exists? Would it not be better to create it and be loved by some then to not create at all?
Take the parable as Jesus taught it Renniks and move on. His disciples asked Him to explain it to them. He explained it. If you still don't get it, settle whatever you don't like or get in the parable with Jesus.Again, it says nothing about some being Destined for one or another...we all understand that the wicked choose to remain in thier ways, that's basic biblical theology. " Choose you this day whom you will serve."
What you are taking from the parables isn't thier point.
He wasn't evil because of God. He was evil, so God used that. If he'd been willing to follow God, that would have been what God used. God can't author any evil.
Apparently. But IMO, some people are already self hardened beyond redemption. God will use evil bad people to bring good results at times.
@RenniksMt 7 Narrow is the way to life and FEW there be who find it.
God knew that before He created. He didn't have to create those He knew would burn in Hell forever. But He did.
Great question indeed. But the Bible gives us all the info we need to know!@Renniks
Good point.
So that begs the question to Renniks and other who agrees with him, why did God create those He knew would burn in Hell?
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He was called a man after Gods heart before he murdered anyone, let’s not forget thatPaul was a murderer before his conversion. David killed lots of people. Was David not saved? He sure seemed to have a relationship with God.
All this tells me is that God allowed this Pharaoh to become the ruler for God's reasons. You need to study the difference between allowing and causing or ordaining.The problem I see, at least in your belief, is that you seem to can't accept that God can intentionally and purposely raise a person such as Pharaoh and make sure that he be the person God needed him to be to bring about His purpose, without tampering with his "free will".
It's simple firming up his resolve, so that God could show his power and the pitifulness of the Egyptian gods. It was for evangelizing, for redemption as God's plans always are.Apparently you picked the easier question and whose answer is obvious, and dropped the other question, which is: "what need is there that God had to harden Pharaoh?" If Pharaoh himself hardens himself already, what need then is God hardening him? Put some sense in that Renniks. What for? Tell us.
Did killing make him disqualified for being that man?He was called a man after Gods heart before he murdered anyone, let’s not forget that
@Eternally GratefulPaul was a murderer before his conversion. David killed lots of people. Was David not saved? He sure seemed to have a relationship with God.
Because this world is a land of trial, it's not yet heaven. God created this trial in fairness, not slanting the odds deliberately in his favor. If I secretly rig the game, so I would win, would that not make me a cheater? God cannot do such as would be contrary to his character.@Renniks
Good point.
So that begs the question to Renniks and other who agrees with him, why did God create those He knew would burn in Hell?
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