Saved, what is it & why the confusion as to how ?

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amigo de christo

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Hi taken, Belief starts somewhere, the words of Jesus ( the seed) . the rest is according to one of his parables below I added more texts for context.

Matthew 13:1-23​

13 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
What we beleive IS WHO we beleive . thus Whose words we beleived IS WHO WE B ELEIVED .
so now a word .
EITHER ITS WORDS OF MEN gone wrong , OR ITS THE WORD and WORDS of GOD and oF CHRIST .
but BELEIVE THIS , IT CANNOT BE BOTH .
 
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JESUS I KNOW SPOKE TRUTH
its every man , woman and child , donkey or angel or whatever speaks
THAT MUST BE TESETED against HIS WORDS . And when or if Their words contradict HIS
Just know and understand , THEY BE THE LIAR . CAUSE GOD IS TRUE , HIS WORD IS TRUE , HIS WORDS are TRUE .
Hopefully that helps to remind us all .
 

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Never accept anything that falls short of the pure T ruth . in other words
I dont care if its eighty , maybe ninety , maybe ninety five percent right . NO MAM
its either THE TRUTH or its not . and leaven always starts real tiny too .
Except Amigo....that no church has everything 100% right.
We'd have to learn church history and live like the early Christians.
Seems like moden-day man is unable to do this.
Even most Christians.
 
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Except Amigo....that no church has everything 100% right.
We'd have to learn church history and live like the early Christians.
Seems like moden-day man is unable to do this.
Even most Christians.
Its easy to have everything one hundred percent right .
just follow the pattern Christ and later the apostels left for us .
OF course we will have to correct errors
B ut have you e ver heard of a house church . OH this can e asily be done .
Look what we cant do is sit under leaders who dont even know how to lead . Either through fear
or total depravity . one or another , ITS TIME for the grave men of GOD to arise
and do something . and house churches seems LIKE a real good start .
EVEN bible reads together over the phone is a start , with prayers and etc .
But sit under an ecumenical whore , NEVER , or prepare to fall .
 
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Except Amigo....that no church has everything 100% right.
We'd have to learn church history and live like the early Christians.
Seems like moden-day man is unable to do this.
Even most Christians.
marvel not , you dont even have to learn church history .
just learn well the words of Christ and later the apostels .
THINGS will come t ogether . Its no mystery and its not difficult .
THIS can be easily done .
ONE GOD , ONE CHRIST , ONE BIBLE . real easy . HE IS WITH THE SHEEP .
By grace i have been reading that bible every day and with others too
for almost twenty years daily . beleive me , IT WILL COME together
and it wont take twenty years either . Though always we are learning something .
REGULATORS
May i say CONTENDERS
FOR THE TRUE FAITH MOUNT UP . but to any who continues to sit in any church
or place connected to ecumeinc alism . YOUR GOING DOWN . and i love the people
SO i must warn them . GET OUT now . its gonna only get worse and faster than you think .
 
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1. Saved = enter eternal life.
2. By belief/faith/trust in ONLY the death/burial/resurrection of Christ 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
3. As taught by Christ through His Acts 9:15, Acts 13:2 ONLY appointed Apostle Rom 11:13 & Minister Rom 15:16 to believers Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 today.
4. The other Apostles confirmed it Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9.
ALL confusion & doubts stops once you accept what Christ taught that applies to believers 'TODAY' :)
can we be saved in this life?

thks
 
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Except Amigo....that no church has everything 100% right.
We'd have to learn church history and live like the early Christians.
Seems like moden-day man is unable to do this.
Even most Christians.
yet within that bible we have exactly what we needed to ensure a person , a church was kept safe .
And many had rather heed men than learn that bible for themselves .
And now ya know why THEY GONNA GO DOWN .
I been watching folks for years . from every denomination to the RCC
from the JW to the mormon
ALL are trusting in men and mans doctrines . And no marvel that they now are buying in to the
ultimate lie by which they shall ag ain be as one peoples and even that WITH ALL RELIGONS .
WE GOT US A STRONG DELUSION in the house and it has been unleashed upon all
the decieved . the false reli goins as well as the decieved within christendom . AND THEY GONNA MERGE my friend .
And their inclusive god is gonna make war against the true saints WHO DID NOT merge , who did not conform .
AND its law , its inclusive law will be enforced by THE AI led digital system , which was prepared for the beast .
 

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can we be saved in this life?

thks
JESUS knew the answer to that question .
As did all the apostels .
Its why THEY POINTED TO CHRIST . for there is no other name by which one can be saved .
Time to put all hope , all trust , all faith IN HIM .
And rather than anyone doing the bidding of the plan of anti christ
and its finding common ground , let us who name the name OF JESUS
get real busy preaching that NAME to all that has breath . With the dire and upmost reminder
OF the dire and absolute necessity to BELEIVE ON HIM .
Cause anti christ cannot save . It can only preach a god that cliams unbelief is okay and just
hug and find common ground for world peace . but it be a liar and a deceiver .
And though it cries come ye my muslim , buddists and all religoin children
for this is the way to peace n safety , IT DESIRES only their sudden destruction .
A lie . A lie no matter how lovey do it might sound , IS BUT A LIE and it cannot save them .
JESUS can . TIME TO POINT TO HIM and all things He did teach .
 

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Welcome to the forum.

Yes. Followers of Jesus are saved in this life. Do you agree that we are?
well if one does not believe that by FAITH IN CHRIST is what saved them
and that folks cannot truly know if they are saved ,
THEN I SAY THEY HAVE ALL THEIR HOPES and TRUST in themselves . And that one cannot save them .
JESUS can . But always remember if ones faith be in a rainbow holding jesus , a jesus that accepts sins ,
a jesus that calls the very words OF JESUS hate speech and makes certain teachings void ,
BELIEVE ME they came to the wrong jesus . And that koran kissing , b udda statue kissing
for world peace jesus , IT BE that which is of anti christ , and that one cannot save .
 
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JESUS knew the answer to that question .
As did all the apostels .
Its why THEY POINTED TO CHRIST . for there is no other name by which one can be saved .
Time to put all hope , all trust , all faith IN HIM .
And rather than anyone doing the bidding of the plan of anti christ
and its finding common ground , let us who name the name OF JESUS
get real busy preaching that NAME to all that has breath . With the dire and upmost reminder
OF the dire and absolute necessity to BELEIVE ON HIM .
Cause anti christ cannot save . It can only preach a god that cliams unbelief is okay and just
hug and find common ground for world peace . but it be a liar and a deceiver .
And though it cries come ye my muslim , buddists and all religoin children
for this is the way to peace n safety , IT DESIRES only their sudden destruction .
A lie . A lie no matter how lovey do it might sound , IS BUT A LIE and it cannot save them .
JESUS can . TIME TO POINT TO HIM and all things He did teach .
yes Jesus saves but we must participate after justification

Jn 15:1-6 abide and bear fruit
Mk 10:22 rev 2:10 endure overcome to death

then the judgement

whats the point of the judgement accept to declare we are faithful and His sheep or unrighteous goats

why is antipas the "faithful martyr"? rev 2:13

thks
 
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yes Jesus saves but we must participate after justification

Jn 15:1-6 abide and bear fruit
Mk 10:22 rev 2:10 endure overcome to death

then the judgement

whats the point of the judgement accept to declare we are faithful and His sheep or unrighteous goats

why is antipas the "faithful martyr"? rev 2:13

thks
Yes we must believe and continue to Beleive . a tremendous amount of conversions
within christendom came from and by faith in another jesus . one that allowed sin to remain upon its believers .
And that jesus IS NOT THE JESUS nor can it save any whose hopes and faith be in that jesus .
And now a word .
ecumeincal inclusive jesus , is an invention of satan , as is any jesus that allows sins and UNBELIEF to remain upon
its converts . SO DO remember that the next time ones church
Goes after men that do correct sin , that do expose sin . that do bring the words of the HOLY GOD
and of HIS CHRIST and of the apostels to that church , ONLY to be labled haters .
OH YEAH my friend . REMEMBER THAT . JESUS never has , never did and never will
HON OR ANYTHING contrary TO GOD . and that my friend , OH ITS A FACT .
For in the beginning was the WORD and not only was the WORD WITH GOD but the word was GOD .
GOD is not in the business of calling HIS holy scriptures hate speech , as divisise , as offensive
BUT satan sure is . and satan can SAY GOD IS LOVE and can and do bring an image of GOD ,
only its NOT GOD , ITS HIM . THAT IS WHO THEY SERVE . SATAN and they LOVE HIM , OH THEY LOVE HIM
and HATE THE HOLY GOD .
And frankly i really dont care who that offends . I am long worn out with watching folks in wool
THROW CHRIST , HIS WORDS under foot for false satanic love they THINK is of GOD .