Yes, Jesus reserved his harshest words for the religious who crushed the people with demands they themselves did not even try to keep. Jesus said concerning them:
Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and saducees which is hypocrisy Luke12:1
Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John
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Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and saducees which is hypocrisy Luke12:1
If you know you sin everyday, all I can say is why? If there is something in the world that you are addicted to - stop. Put evil away from you. If it is a television, take it to the dump. If it is porn on this computer you use for the forums, then quit the forums and take your computer to the dump. Believing that you will finally overcome sin after you die, sorry, but that is too late. Revelation 22:11.
I've talked to many JW's who live righteously. You can too. The one's I've talked to know that we must be indwelt by the Holy Spirit to have His power to kill the sin nature. Just ask. Pray.
Luke 11:9-13
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
Yes it is a sin to NOT obey Christ's commands, but those who don't are not Christians. They can't even claim to be. I know the writer is a JW, but personally, I still consider them Christians, even if they, themselves, don't, and I am only speaking for myself.
Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind lame and beggars so you may receive your reward in Heaven?
If you have ever fasted, have you so much as hinted to others you are fasting?
If someone stole something of yours, would you give them more besides what they stole, with nothing but love in your heart for them?
If people persecute you, and malign you, would you have nothing but love in your heart for them?
If you are persecuted, do you truly leap for joy, constantly?
If anyone asked to borrow from you, would you give to them without expecting anything back?
Do you truly in your heart love your enemies, those who may be unkind to you, slander you, or malign you?
And will you answer honestly?
Well if you are right, I have never met any christian in 50 years of going to various churches. For I have never met anyone who has even tried to obey all of Christ's commands. It might be better to ponder on what you may write before making sweeping statements
That verse is what this post is all about, and why it is commonly misinterpreted. Before writing anything more, please go and study the first post at the top of this page, #1. There are whole false doctrines based on the heretical belief that Jesus DID NOT take away our sin, and there is no sin in Him. 1 John 3:5.
I'm afraid your theology is sadly lacking. You wrote:
'Many christians today have never been born again'
The only christians that exist are those who have been born again,
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
The New Covenant is not a list of commandments like the Old Covenant - miss one and you disobeyed them all. Instead, the New Covenant is of the Spirit who resides in our conscience. 1 John 3:21 If your heart does not condemn you, you have confidence in God, 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
Christ's Spirit has caused my conscience to be super-sensitive, and as He promised, all my prayers are answered supernaturally. By your questions to others, I assume you are faultless, and your prayers are always answered too?
You seem to be backtracking on the following:
'Yes it is a sin to NOT obey Christ's commands, but those who don't are not Christians. They can't even claim to be.'
ScottA
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This is what I was explaining before. The reason you have not seen Christians who do not sin is because you are seeing them as the world sees and not as God sees. God has called the time sin ends in a person "The End", meaning Christ...because it is no longer they who live but Christ who lives. But you (apparently by unbelief) do not believe that this is written, in spite of knowing that it is.
Which of course I understand is not actually unbelief, but rather a matter of not understanding.
However, since it is no longer the person who lives, but Christ...who then is it that people accuse of sin by lack of understanding?
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If people tell me it is sin not to obey Christ's commands in the Gospels, and you cannot be a christian if you do not obey them, I believe I am quite entitled to respond as I do
Sin is(not was) the transgression of the law: 1John3:4
No one is perfect in their flesh. No one perfectly obeys the letter of the law, neither you, me or anyone else. Therefore, if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
That is what the OP is also saying. But you aren't telling your whole belief are you? Tell everyone about the actual sins a Christian commits in Christ. Are they NOT committed in the first place - the Truth. Or are they not deemed sins by God when you commit them if you are in Christ?
Did Paul lack understanding?
I already gave you a warning when I was with you the second time. I now repeat it while absent: On my return I will not spare those who sinned earlier or any of the others, 2Cor13:2
I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged. 2Cor12:21
The above cannot be referring to before the people written to became christians. I do understand what you are getting at BTW, I have often myself quoted Heb9:26.
ScottA
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Yes
Can we agree that if it is no longer the person who lives, but Christ, as the scriptures say?
Yes, of course. However, that would only apply to those who are not in Christ.
Can we agree that if it is no longer the person who lives, but Christ, as the scriptures say?
Bible Highlighter
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I never understood why Christians say they can sin and still be saved. That’s like saying good guys do evil.
It doesn’t make any sense. You know the good guys vs. the bad guys by what they do. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits (deeds).
If you justify sin, you are evil. Plain and simple. You can call yourself a Christian all you like. It doesn’t change the fact that justifying sin makes one evil. Hitler justified sin. Many evil men justified sin. Does a belief alone in Jesus as one’s Savior with no real change in one’s life really matter? Is that what God wants? Evil people who just believe the right thing? Uh, yeah. That’s pretty dumb actually. Read your Bible.
1 John 1:8 is written to the brethren but it is a warning about the false gnostic belief (i.e. those who were trying to seduce them - 1 John 2:26) that says that sin does not exist when they do sin (present tense). It’s not saying we must always have sin in our life otherwise we are deceived. God does not want us to sin. God is good and Holy. 1 John 3:10 says that he that does not righteousness or does not love their brother is not of God. Sin is not doing righteousness. Not loving your brother is sin. One is not saved if they are not of God. Think.
It doesn’t make any sense. You know the good guys vs. the bad guys by what they do. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits (deeds).
If you justify sin, you are evil. Plain and simple. You can call yourself a Christian all you like. It doesn’t change the fact that justifying sin makes one evil. Hitler justified sin. Many evil men justified sin. Does a belief alone in Jesus as one’s Savior with no real change in one’s life really matter? Is that what God wants? Evil people who just believe the right thing? Uh, yeah. That’s pretty dumb actually. Read your Bible.
1 John 1:8 is written to the brethren but it is a warning about the false gnostic belief (i.e. those who were trying to seduce them - 1 John 2:26) that says that sin does not exist when they do sin (present tense). It’s not saying we must always have sin in our life otherwise we are deceived. God does not want us to sin. God is good and Holy. 1 John 3:10 says that he that does not righteousness or does not love their brother is not of God. Sin is not doing righteousness. Not loving your brother is sin. One is not saved if they are not of God. Think.
Behold
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Before you are born again, its the Law that Judges you, as you are "under the law", which is a curse.... as "the law is the power of sin".
After you're born again, the Law, has no power or authority over you, as you dont exist, as a Child of God, under the law.
You exist in the KOG......."translated from Darkness to Light".
So, the answer is....... If God sees you, only as a Born again Spirit, and your body is "dead because of sin", and your mind is not born again....then whatever you do in the body, is not related to being "ONE with God", , and so, that is why God does not have anything to do with you behavior, that you classify as sin.
Your FLESH, that is your mind and body are "crucified with Christ", and when you see that as reality, and live there as your REAL FAITH... then you no longer have any consciousness of this idea of "sinning", as that is the old man, not the "new Creation" in Christ.
Paul told you to "reckon it dead", vs, being on a forum ranting about sin.
Understand?
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