Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

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1stCenturyLady

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Sorry for butting in, are you advocating sinless perfection or no?
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No. Do we have any sins left once cleansed from all unrighteousness and given the gift of the Holy Spirit to dwell within us and our conscience? See even though we may not have the desire to sin, we are far from perfect. Perfection has to do with 2 Peter 1:5-7 and it may take a lifetime.
 

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No. Do we have any sins left once cleansed from all unrighteousness and given the gift of the Holy Spirit to dwell within us and our conscience? See even though we may not have the desire to sin, we are far from perfect. Perfection has to do with 2 Peter 1:5-7 and it may take a lifetime.
So you admit you commit sin?
 
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When I talk to Jewish unbelievers on another forum, they only speak of 613. They don't count the ones in the New Covenant.
I am fully aware of that, the New Chadasha is a copy and paste to their Torah, not inspired at all.
How do you "talk" to them if you cannot even quote Isaiah 53 and explain that it was Y'hoshuwa HaMashiach who was crucified but they say not so.
It was Yisrael, the servant, bearing the sins of many.
This should be interesting, maybe you can give me the forum where they are?
J.
 

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Yes, we may learn obedience through suffering, and I am sincerely sorry for what happened to you. However:
Through the law we become conscious of sin
The law is in your most inward parts, it is in your heart and mind, and you cannot hide from it. It was done that way to cut out a licence to sin as believers have no righteousness of obeying the law

It is all past now. How close to perfection are you now? Be holy for I am holy. I do not have any known sin in my life now. Unfortunately there are some who believe we will always sin, and only be sinless after we are dead. That is not scriptural, but is taught.
 

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I don't believe in sinless perfection, unequal weights and balances.
Did you ever have a lustful thought?
Where did that come from?
And what are you to do?
J.

Again, it does not matter what I or Joe the Christian down the street does. We will all have to face our Maker and Savior. Jesus says if we do not receive His words, those words will judge us on the last day (See: John 12:48). While I don’t know the exact number of Christians are saved, if the majority of Christians today are not saved, that does not undo the words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 5:28-30.

I would encourage you to read His words below again, and BELIEVE them.

“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

There are…

Ways for a Believer to Overcome Sin:

#1. A believer can remove themselves from sinful environments.

A believer should remove themselves from sinful environments (if possible) and or get rid of things that cause them to sin. In Genesis: Joseph had literally ran away from the temptation of sexual sin (Genesis 39:11-12). One of the commands in the New Testament is: "Flee fornication." (1 Corinthians 6:18) (Note: Paul says that what he had written should be regarded as the commandments of the Lord - 1 Corinthians 14:37) (KJV). Sometimes this running away is merely a means of escape. God provides a way of escape for us to run to so that we can bear the temptation and get through it. For 1 Corinthians 10:13 says, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

#2. Believers can pray to God so as not to be tempted.

Believers can pray to God so as not to be tempted. It is part of the Lord’s prayer for a believer to pray so as not to be tempted into sin (Matthew 6:12). God will guide and protect a believer if they are serious in praying for this. "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation" (Matthew 26:41). In fact, fasting will help a believer with this, as well. I believe that being enslaved to sin is a demonic influence. While being enslaved to sin does not mean a Christian is possessed by a demon, we learn that certain demon possessions could not be driven out only by prayer and fasting (Matthew 17:21). So if demon possession at the most intense level can only be healed (by the casting out of the demon) by both prayer and fasting, then it is a sure bet that fasting and praying to overcome sin will also help a believer overcome sin (Which is a demonic influence).

#3. Believers can obey God’s righteous ways.

Believers can obey God’s righteous ways. The more a believer loves God and loves others and obeys His Word and they stay in His Word and pray, the more they will not even have a chance to sin or do the wrong thing. For the more a believer walk in God's Word by the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of flesh. "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." (Galatians 5:16). "But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14). "But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Romans 6:22).

#4. When a believer is tempted, they can quote Scripture.

When a believer is tempted, they can quote Scripture to defeat the devil's temptation. When Jesus was tempted by the devil, He quoted Scripture to defeat the devil (Matthew 4:4) (Matthew 4:7) (Matthew 4:10). So when some specific sin is bothering a believer, a believer can do research and find all the verses they can that are victory verses that they can speak when tempted to overcome that particular sin. A good general verse (Especially if a believer is tempted to look at women in lust if they find themselves in public around a lot of people) is, “The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.” (Psalms 23:1). A believer can say these verses to themselves silently under their breath (with nobody hearing).

#5. Believers can ask for prayer from other God fearing Christians.

A believer can ask for prayer from other God fearing Christians or Godly Christians to help them to overcome certain sins. The Scriptures say, "bear ye one another's burdens and thus fulfill the Law of Christ." So a believer should seek true fellowship (even if it is just 2 or 3 faithful believers to meet up every week so as to worship God) and they should ask these faithful Christians for help to overcome their sin. In 1 John 5, we see Christians praying for a believer who is struggling to overcome a sin (that they are confessing). "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16). A faithful Christian shall ask God to give their fellow Christian life (victory) in overcoming their sin that they are confessing (i.e. sin that is confessed is not a sin that leads unto death).

#6. A believer can hide God’s Word in their heart.

A believer can hide God’s Word in their heart to overcome grievous sin. Meaning, a believer should memorize Scripture. David said he hid God’s Word within his heart so that he may not sin against the Lord. "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee." (Psalms 119:11).

#7. A believer can confess of their sins.

A believer can confess of their sins. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

So there are no excuses, my friend.
 
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Johann

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No. Do we have any sins left once cleansed from all unrighteousness and given the gift of the Holy Spirit to dwell within us and our conscience? See even though we may not have the desire to sin, we are far from perfect. Perfection has to do with 2 Peter 1:5-7 and it may take a lifetime.
So sanctification is progressive then?
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It is all past now. How close to perfection are you now? Be holy for I am holy. I do not have any known sin in my life now. Unfortunately there are some who believe we will always sin, and only be sinless after we are dead. That is not scriptural, but is taught.
Well it doesnt matter if you have any known sin bearing in mind what you wrote, for you believe you can sin and believe it is ok to do what you do
I dont believe any christian can never be aware of any sin in their life however
 
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Again, it does not matter what I or Joe the Christian down the street does. We will all have to face our Maker and Savior. Jesus says if we do not receive His words, those words will judge us on the last day (See: John 12:48). While I don’t know the exact number of Christians are saved, if the majority of Christians today are not saved, that does not undo the words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 5:28-30.

I would encourage you to read His words below again, and BELIEVE them.

“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

There are…

Ways for a Believer to Overcome Sin:

#1. A believer can remove themselves from sinful environments.

A believer should remove themselves from sinful environments (if possible) and or get rid of things that cause them to sin. In Genesis: Joseph had literally ran away from the temptation of sexual sin (Genesis 39:11-12). One of the commands in the New Testament is: "Flee fornication." (1 Corinthians 6:18) (Note: Paul says that what he had written should be regarded as the commandments of the Lord - 1 Corinthians 14:37) (KJV). Sometimes this running away is merely a means of escape. God provides a way of escape for us to run to so that we can bear the temptation and get through it. For 1 Corinthians 10:13 says, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

#2. Believers can pray to God so as not to be tempted.

Believers can pray to God so as not to be tempted. It is part of the Lord’s prayer for a believer to pray so as not to be tempted into sin (Matthew 6:12). God will guide and protect a believer if they are serious in praying for this. "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation" (Matthew 26:41). In fact, fasting will help a believer with this, as well. I believe that being enslaved to sin is a demonic influence. While being enslaved to sin does not mean a Christian is possessed by a demon, we learn that certain demon possessions could not be driven out only by prayer and fasting (Matthew 17:21). So if demon possession at the most intense level can only be healed (by the casting out of the demon) by both prayer and fasting, then it is a sure bet that fasting and praying to overcome sin will also help a believer overcome sin (Which is a demonic influence).

#3. Believers can obey God’s righteous ways.

Believers can obey God’s righteous ways. The more a believer loves God and loves others and obeys His Word and they stay in His Word and pray, the more they will not even have a chance to sin or do the wrong thing. For the more a believer walk in God's Word by the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of flesh. "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." (Galatians 5:16). "But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14). "But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Romans 6:22).

#4. When a believer is tempted, they can quote Scripture.

When a believer is tempted, they can quote Scripture to defeat the devil's temptation. When Jesus was tempted by the devil, He quoted Scripture to defeat the devil (Matthew 4:4) (Matthew 4:7) (Matthew 4:10). So when some specific sin is bothering a believer, a believer can do research and find all the verses they can that are victory verses that they can speak when tempted to overcome that particular sin. A good general verse (Especially if a believer is tempted to look at women in lust if they find themselves in public around a lot of people) is, “The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.” (Psalms 23:1). A believer can say these verses to themselves silently under their breath (with nobody hearing).

#5. Believers can ask for prayer from other God fearing Christians.

A believer can ask for prayer from other God fearing Christians or Godly Christians to help them to overcome certain sins. The Scriptures say, "bear ye one another's burdens and thus fulfill the Law of Christ." So a believer should seek true fellowship (even if it is just 2 or 3 faithful believers to meet up every week so as to worship God) and they should ask these faithful Christians for help to overcome their sin. In 1 John 5, we see Christians praying for a believer who is struggling to overcome a sin (that they are confessing). "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16). A faithful Christian shall ask God to give their fellow Christian life (victory) in overcoming their sin that they are confessing (i.e. sin that is confessed is not a sin that leads unto death).

#6. A believer can hide God’s Word in their heart.

A believer can hide God’s Word in their heart to overcome grievous sin. Meaning, a believer should memorize Scripture. David said he hid God’s Word within his heart so that he may not sin against the Lord. "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee." (Psalms 119:11).

#7. A believer can confess of their sins.

A believer can confess of their sins. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

So there are no excuses, my friend.
Not making excuses, will take this up with you later, 1:46 in the Morning here, my brain is fraaied.
J.
 

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So sanctification is progressive then?
J.

No, sanctification is complete at justification, though church fathers teach that we will always sin. That is why Romans 8:29-30 doesn't mention sanctification, and other verses in the New Testament use the past tense term, sanctified. The process that we do go through is actually glorification, the process of becoming in all ways like Christ.
 
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Well I will leave it to Johan what he thinks, but unless I am missing something you appear to be contradicting a post to him
I will address the issue, but it is 2:00 in the morning here.
Shalom to you and family
J.
 

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No, sanctification is complete at justification, though church fathers teach that we will always sin. That is why Romans 8:29-30 doesn't mention sanctification, and other verses in the New Testament use the past tense term, sanctified. The process that we do go through is actually glorification, the process of becoming in all ways like Christ.
So from the moment you accept Christ as your saviour and are then justified, you don't sin from then on at all?
 

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So from the moment you accept Christ as your saviour and are then justified, you don't sin from then on at all?

Not WILLFULLY. That is a sin unto death.

There is also sins NOT unto death, and they are UNINTENTIONAL.

BTW, which of the two islands of New Zealand do you live on? I drove the length of the North Island a long time ago. Scary place - all that steam coming out of the earth and boiling lakes.
 

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Not WILLFULLY. That is a sin unto death.

There is also sins NOT unto death, and they are UNINTENTIONAL.
I'm just being honest. You don't seem to have a cohesive view on this subject. I do not agree with you that a believer can sin and believe it is ok to do what they do. And as you like the letter of the bible being quoted I will quote it:
Through the law we become conscious of sin Romans3:20
And the law is in your most inward parts, it is in your heart and mind.
 
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Not WILLFULLY. That is a sin unto death.

There is also sins NOT unto death, and they are UNINTENTIONAL.
You have not answered my question as to how you are dealing with the unbelieving Jews, especially the forbidden chapter.
You speak Hebrew?
We shall come back to the issue of sanctification.
J.
 

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Have you been chatting to Jason/bible highlighter? He used to believe a christian's righteousness is obeying those 1050 commands

Well, it’s Bible Highlighter and not “Jason/Bible highlighter.”
Oh, and yes. I did used to believe (past tense) that the New Testament commands from Finnis Jennings Dake (1050) were accurate (for the most part). But after much study, I found that Dake’s 1050 NT Commands are not an accurate list of New Testament commands. Dake also rejects the Trinity, and he holds to other false beliefs. So I made my own list of commands found in the New Testament and it is around 440 to my count so far. But I have yet to double check my work under tight scrutiny to release them publicly to the brethren. Anyways, the problem with Dake’s commands is that he repeats various commands and he constructs the commands based on similarity of the verbs and not how they naturally appear in the New Testament. He also has left out various commands. At that time in my life, I was focused a little too heavy on God’s laws. I now believe we must always stress the importance of God’s grace as being foundational and as the entrance gate to our salvation. I now believe there are clearly two aspects of salvation as taught in God’s Word, and I believe that one can have an unhealthy balance of either grace or works when they approach God’s Word. Some make it all about grace to the detriment of obedience to God, and others make it all about works to the detriment of grace. I was at that time in my life interested in creating a book on God’s commands, but that is not exactly something that I feel is correct now (Because it sends the wrong message that it is all about law with no grace).

In any event, may God’s love shine upon you (even if you don’t see my posts anymore and even if we disagree on what the Bible says).
 
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I'm just being honest. You don't seem to have a cohesive view on this subject. I do not agree with you that a believer can sin and believe it is ok to do what they do. And as you like the letter of the bible being quoted I will quote it:
Through the law we become conscious of sin Romans3:20
And the law is in your most inward parts
I think she is coming from a Torah angle here, a slippery road and maybe familiar with Jewish customs and manners, the Mishna, Midrash, the two Talmuds, Rambinic uninspired letters.
We shall see.
Goodnight.
J.
 

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I'm just being honest. You don't seem to have a cohesive view on this subject. I do not agree with you that a believer can sin and believe it is ok to do what they do. And as you like the letter of the bible being quoted I will quote it:
Through the law we become conscious of sin Romans3:20
And the law is in your most inward parts, it is in your heart and mind.

What you don't realize is there are two grades of sin according to God. You are accusing me of lawlessness, when I don't do lawlessness, even back then. I know you are new, but are you one of those "accusers of the brethren." You certainly show no empathy, which is a form of love when I mentioned abuse. I know you said you go to church but learned justification elsewhere. Where? And what?