Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[Bible Highlighter]

It is probably a common word in Israel where he lives.

Looking up this term it is Muslim in origin. So why imitate what Muslims say?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Now that is a silly statement. You could be here all day writing out everything that could make you conscious of sin if you did it

No, it is in scripture. Its an easy question to answer if you know the Bible. Think about it then answer, so I can then answer that other post I'm waiting on.

 

[savedbygrace1]

I'll answer this post, but first answer mine #584 then I will.

Ive already answered it:

Now that is a silly statement. You could be here all day writing out everything that could make you conscious of sin if you did it

 

[savedbygrace1]

No, it is in scripture. Its an easy question to answer if you know the Bible. Think about it then answer, so I can then answer that other post I'm waiting on.

Well you can say anything relating to loving God and your neighbour. But how would you term it?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I hear what you say..but..

Christians do sin but we have an Advocate with the Father, we are clothed with the garments of salvation and His righteousness.

Do we have a free license to sin? Of course not!
Do I take my sins lightly? I need to confess my short comings on a daily basis since none are perfect yet.
I don't think mailman sins freely and habitually or any believer in Christ.
Would you say the sinful nature is somehow surgically removed from the believer?
J.

Look. Jesus says if you look upon a woman in lust, you are in danger of having your whole body cast into hellfire. So if something like that can keep you out of God’s kingdom, imagine what else can? Jesus did not say… Oh, just pay lip service to me in saying you are forgiven but you can keep doing this kind of sin the rest of your life. Jesus says why do you call me Lord, Lord if you do not do what I say? There is a reason why Jesus told certain believers who did good works in His name to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (sin), too (Matthew 7:22-23).

Why are we told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling if it as Dan says?
I believe the Bible and not Dan.

As for your other statements: Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ’s have crucified the affections and lusts. 1 Peter 4:1-2 says that he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin. 2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 1 Timothy 6:12 says fight the good fight of faith and lay hold on eternal life. Do you believe these verses? I don’t see how.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Looking up this term it is Muslim in origin. So why imitate what Muslims say?

It may be a "common" word in Israel, and culturally not merely Muslim in use.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Well you can say anything relating to loving God and your neighbour. But how would you term it?

Good thinking. It is actually 1 John 3:23-24

 

[savedbygrace1]

Good thinking. It is actually 1 John 3:23-24

It would be the two, and you would have to believe on the name of Jesus before it was placed there. So I could not say you are strictly accurate

 

[Johann]

Look. Jesus says if you look upon a woman in lust, you are in danger of having your whole body cast into hellfire. So if something like that can keep you out of God’s kingdom, imagine what else can? Jesus did not say… Oh, just pay lip service to me in saying you are forgiven but you can keep doing this kind of sin the rest of your life. Jesus says why do you call me Lord, Lord if you do not do what I say? There is a reason why Jesus told certain believers who did good works in His name to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (sin), too (Matthew 7:22-23).

Why are we told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling if it as Dan says?
I believe the Bible and not Dan.

As for your other statements: Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ’s have crucified the affections and lusts. 1 Peter 4:1-2 says that he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin. 2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 1 Timothy 6:12 says fight the good fight of faith and lay hold on eternal life. Do you believe these verses? I don’t see how.

I don't believe in sinless perfection, unequal weights and balances.
Did you ever have a lustful thought?
Where did that come from?
And what are you to do?
J.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

We all mature, but the law is placed within you at conversion. And while we are on the subject. If the law is in your heart, you in your heart want to obey it. Why do you think believers get a righteousness apart from obeying the law? Instead of suggesting those who believe it seek a licence to sin/ignore God's laws, start discerning what it actually means to have the law within you. Stop just reciting the letter, consider the implications of it

Okay, now I'll answer this.

Though I committed that sin - in God's eyes He deemed it unintentional, so the blood of Jesus cleansed it automatically. He still spoke to me, gave me visions and all the things like He still does with me now that I've learned better. 1 John 1:7 Why? Because I loved Him with all my heart, and I loved my neighbor as myself.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It would be the two, and you would have to believe on the name of Jesus before it was placed there. So I could not say you are strictly accurate

Yes, I did.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Okay, now I'll answer this.

Though I committed that sin - in God's eyes He deemed it unintentional, so the blood of Jesus cleansed it automatically. He still spoke to me, gave me visions and all the things like He still does with me now that I've learned better. 1 John 1:7 Why? Because I loved Him with all my heart, and I loved my neighbor as myself.

That doesn't really address the problem though. How can born again christians commit sin and believe it is OK to do it?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That doesn't really address the problem though. How can born again christians commit sin and believe it is OK to do it?

Because it wasn't "lawlessness" 1 John 3:4

 

[Johann]

It would be the two, and you would have to believe on the name of Jesus before it was placed there. So I could not say you are strictly accurate

What are the commandments? I can think of 1050 Imperatives immediately and the bar of holiness is in Christ and Him alone.
J.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Because it wasn't "lawlessness" 1 John 3:4

Sin is the transgression of the law
The safety valve of grace if you like is the law being placed in your heart and mind. You cannot have a saviour from sin unless this takes place.
Through the law we become conscious of sin Romans3:20
So why were you not conscious of sin?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

What are the commandments? I can think of 1050 Imperatives immediately and the bar of holiness is in Christ and Him alone.
J.

When I talk to Jewish unbelievers on another forum, they only speak of 613. They don't count the ones in the New Covenant.

 

[Johann]

Because it wasn't "lawlessness" 1 John 3:4

Sorry for butting in, are you advocating sinless perfection or no?
J.

 

[savedbygrace1]

What are the commandments? I can think of 1050 Imperatives immediately and the bar of holiness is in Christ and Him alone.
J.

Have you been chatting to Jason/bible highlighter? He used to believe a christian's righteousness is obeying those 1050 commands

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Sin is the transgression of the law
The safety valve of grace if you like is the law being placed in your heart and mind. You cannot have a saviour from sin unless this takes place.
Through the law we become conscious of sin Romans3:20
So why were you not conscious of sin?

Damage from abuse. But then more abuse caused the opposite to happen. We learn obedience through suffering.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Damage from abuse. But then more abuse caused the opposite to happen. We learn obedience through suffering.

Yes, we may learn obedience through suffering, and I am sincerely sorry for what happened to you. However:
Through the law we become conscious of sin
The law is in your most inward parts, it is in your heart and mind, and you cannot hide from it. It was done that way to cut out a licence to sin as believers have no righteousness of obeying the law