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With a Jewish Bible?Jesus.
Is that your primary Version?
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With a Jewish Bible?Jesus.
Meats drinks and days . Yes indeed . Sin is sin , but what we eat aint sin , WELL just not blood .There are what Paul terms disputable matters(romans14) he includes meat in that
I hear what you say..but..
Christians do sin but we have an Advocate with the Father, we are clothed with the garments of salvation and His righteousness.
Do we have a free license to sin? Of course not!
Do I take my sins lightly? I need to confess my short comings on a daily basis since none are perfect yet.
I don't think mailman sins freely and habitually or any believer in Christ.
Would you say the sinful nature is somehow surgically removed from the believer?
J.
Did I say I MUST sin daily?We cannot know another person’s heart, but we can see if their theology or words align with Scripture or not. He advocates that we must sin as per 1 John 1:8. But this is a justification of evil because 1 John 2:4 says that the person who says they know the Lord and does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them. So 1 John 1:8 cannot be advocating the sin and still be saved interpretation.
I believe 1 John 1:8 is connected with 1 John 1:10. We both agree with 1 John 1:10. We both agree that we have sinned in our past life before coming to Christ. Yet, 1 John 1:10 is saying if we say we have not sinned (past tense involving our old life) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. This is obviously referring to those who deny sin’s existence. In fact, John is writing to the brethren and warning them about those who are trying to seduce them (1 John 2:26). So this means 1 John 1:8 is talking about a denial of sin’s existence in the present tense when a person does sin. 1 John 1:8 is basically saying if we say we have no sin if we do sin. This is why John brings up 1 John 1:9. It is the healthy prescription of what a believer must do if they do sin vs. ignoring sin’s existence if one were to sin. John is saying if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. The question is: Do you believe the bolded words from 1 John 1:9? I don’t see how because you said you must sin again daily. This to me is insane. Nowhere will you find the Bible condoning our sin.
I just know he is from Israel, and know most there are Muslim.
You need to understand the basics of the new covenant. The law is placed in your most inward parts, in your heart and mind. Meaning, in your mind you instinctively know how God wants you to live, and in your heart you want to live that way. You then get a saviour from sin, you have no righteousness of obeying the law. That includes the ten commandments. Contrary to what you and others think, that is not and cannot be a licence to sin for anyone who has the law in their heart. For if you remove righteousness of obeying the law, the law in your heart brings you to want to follow it, irrespective of having no righteousness of obeying the law.
The law within you is the safety valve of grace. You cannot therefore sin and be unconcerned at the sin due to not being conscious of sin. God made a foolproof covenant, there are no holes in it!
Did I say I MUST sin daily?
Since I am not in a STATE of habitual sinning?
Do you see the subtle nuances on words here?
J.
I still don’t believe it is correct. I strive to not use words that are associated with another false religion so as not to be tied to them.
With a Jewish Bible?
Is that your primary Version?
I don't live in Israel and so do not know culturally what common language they have with each other. I just know that he used that word, is a Christian, and not a Muslim. So the only thing I can think of for him using that word, is the culture he lives in. He and I do not believe alike at all, but I love my enemies... LOL
You do have trouble accepting this don't you:It is not the Ten Commandments that are written on our hearts. They were only for God's people until sin was taken out of them. With sin gone, we do not need commandments that show us our sin.
The ten commandments are DO NOT, NOT, NOT
The laws written on our hearts are DO, DO, DO.
I am really not interested in O. S. A. S. and whatever foreign terminologies you might want to add...You said in another thread, I quote:
“If we confess (ean homologōmen). Third-class condition again with ean and present active subjunctive of homologeō, “if we keep on confessing.” ...DAILY...Confession of sin to God and to one another (Jas_5:16) is urged throughout the N.T. from John the Baptist (Mar_1:5) on.
Are you perfect and holy right now in your own esteem?
We are clothed with the righteousness of Christ Jesus, yes, do Christians still commit acts of sin, yes.”
Source:
1st problem with O.S.A.S.
What Does the Bible Say About Written In Our Hearts?It is not the Ten Commandments that are written on our hearts. They were only for God's people until sin was taken out of them. With sin gone, we do not need commandments that show us our sin.
The ten commandments are DO NOT, NOT, NOT
The laws written on our hearts are DO, DO, DO.
Yes, when they are caused by immature fruit of the Spirit. There are many sins on the forums against other forum members. Slander, bearing false witness, hatefulness, lack of self-control, provoking to anger, calling each other derogatory names, etc. These are not sins unto death, they are not sins of lawlessness. They are trespasses. They are the only type of sin mentioned in the Lord's Prayer that are for Christians to pray. "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."
Matthew 6:14-15
14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I learned the importance of this type of forgiveness a couple of years ago in the Spirit's functioning of perfecting me. So not only do I obey my conscience, but I search my heart each night to make sure I've forgiven everyone their trespasses against me. But I do try to forgive when it happens, just in case I forget. LOL
We should always do that. If I struggled with forgiveness for any reason I would ask God's help concerning it
Why? You obey the lusts of the flesh everyday?
“Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” (John 8:34)
“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12)
Obey the scriptures!
Are you a sin perfectionist?
Because many do not read the King James Bible frequently enough! They are corrupted with men’s doctrines using corrupted Bible versions!
“And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:15-17)
SIN, TRESPASS, INIQUITY, ETC.I have zero issue with men forgiving men of trespasses.
I have a great issue with men saying they forgive men of sin.
SIN, TRESPASS, INIQUITY, ETC.
There are many synonymous words to represent the outworking of man's fallen nature. As these are not always translated by the same English word, it is necessary that we should distinguish them. The student, by reference to the following list, will be able to do so:—
chat'a, to sin; to miss the mark (as in Judges 20:16). Also of the feet, to stumble and fall (Proverbs 19:2). Hence, morally, a coming short, blameworthiness-not necessarily willful. An act of thought, word, or deed, not a condition. Usually (but by no means always) rendered sin, and other words also so rendered.
'asham, trespass, to sin through error or ignorance. Compare Leviticus 4:13; 5:2, 3. Numbers 5:6, 7. Judges 21:22. 1Chronicles 21:3. 2Chronicles 19:10; 28:10, 13. 'Asham is a breach of commandment, done in ignorance, but, when the guilt is proved, requiring atonement.
'aven, iniquity, specially connected with idolatry. Used because an idol is nothing and vanity (compare Hosea 4:15; 5:8; 10:5, 8. Amos 5:5, margin). Hence, 'aven comes to mean vanity (compare Job 15:35. Psalm 10:7. Proverbs 22:8, etc.). The word has many renderings, which are pointed out in the passages when it occurs. 'Aven is rather a course of bad conduct flowing from the evil desires of fallen nature, than breaches of the law as such.
'avah, perverseness, from the root to be bent, or crooked. English wrong, that is to say, wrung out of course, expresses it (compare 1Samuel 20:30. 2Samuel 19:19. 1Kings 8:47. Job 33:37, etc.).
'amal, trouble, labor, toil. Sin viewed in the light of the trouble it causes; and of its burden; and its grievousness (Isaiah 10:1. Habakkuk 1:3). Often rendered perverseness (Numbers 23:21), also mischief (Job 15:35).
'aval, unjust, unfairness, sin in its nature as deceitful, dishonesty, that which is not equal and right, unfairness in dealings. Rendered unjust (Psalm 43:1; 82:2. Proverbs 29:27. Isaiah 26:10), unrighteous (Leviticus 19:15, 35).
'abar, to pass beyond, transgress. Hence, transgression (Psalm 17:3. Hosea 6:7; 8:1).
ra'a', wicked, injurious. From its root, which indicates its nature as breaking up all that is good or desirable; injurious to all others. In Greek poneros, evil, or kakos, bad. Hence especially of moral depravity and corruption, and lewdness. English "good-for-nothing" (1Samuel 17:28), naughty (2Kings 2:19. Proverbs 20:14. Jeremiah 24:2).
pash'a, revolt, rebellion. Sin against lawful authority. Often rendered transgression (Psalm 51:13. Proverbs 28:21. Isaiah 43:27). In Proverbs 10:12 the action of love or mercy shown stands in strong contrast to this character of the sin.
rasha', wickedness, in the sense of the restless activity of fallen nature (Job 3:17. Isaiah 53:9; 57:20, 21); where it refers to the activity of the impious and ungodly, or robbers.
ma'al, treachery, unfaithfulness, breach of trust, often rendered trespass and transgression. It is used of Achan (Joshua 7:1; 22:20). Compare Joshua 22:16. 2Chronicles 26:18; 28:22; 33:19. Ezra 9:2,4. Nehemiah 13:27, etc.
shagag, erring from imprudence, rashness, being deceived, not willfully; and shagah, erring willfully through passion or wine, hence, to go astray. As sin it is to be distinguished from presumptuous or high-handed sin. Compare Leviticus 4:13. Numbers 15:22, etc., with Numbers 15:30. Psalm 119:21.
zimmah, meditated wickedness, plotted, planned, and designed; wicked, or lewd purpose, especially of sins of unchastity.
chasad = shameful. A Homonym, meaning (1) Here, and Job 37:13 (where it is rendered "mercy" in Authorized Version and Revised Version). But "lightning" is not "mercy", but chastisement. (2) The other meaning is mercy, lovingkindness, or grace. See note on Leviticus 20:14.
shal, fault, committed inadvertently through negligence.
THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS USED FOR "SIN", "WICKEDNESS", "EVIL", "UNGODLINESS", "DISOBEDIENCE", "TRANSGRESSION", ETC.
Appendix 128 To The Companion Bible.
I. SIN.
i. The Verb.
hamartano = to miss the mark or aim; then, to miss or wander from the right path; to go, or do, wrong.
ii. The Noun.
1. hamartia = a failing to hit the mark; aberration from prescribed law (connected with and resulting from the above). In New Testament always in a moral sense = a sin, whether by omission or commission, in thought, word, or deed. Also used in connection with the sin-offering (Hebrews 10:6, 8, 18; 13:11, as in Psalm 40:6, compare Leviticus 5:8).
2. hamartema = the actual sin. The evil principle in action; the sinful act or deed.
3. paraptoma = a falling aside, when one should have stood upright. Hence (morally) a fall, a falling aside from truth and equity; a fault, or trespass.
In Romans 5:12, No. 1 entered the world. The disobedience of Adam (verses 15, 17, 18) was No. 3, and the law entered that No. 3 which before was error, might become criminal in the knowledge of the sinner. After this, where No. 1 abounded, grace did much more abound.
II. WICKEDNESS.
1. poneria = depravity; iniquity, the wicked acting of the evil nature. See No. III. 1 below.
2. kakia = depravity, the vicious disposition and desires, rather than the active exercise of them, which is No. 1 (poneria).
III. EVIL (Adjective and Noun).
1. poneros = full of labors and pains in working mischief; evil intent (Matthew 12:39. Luke 11:29); grudging, in connection with the idea expressed in the "evil eye" (Matthew 6:23; 20:15. See the context, and compare Luke 11:13).
2. kakos = depraved, bad in nature. Compare No. II. 2.
3. anomos = lawless, contempt of law.
4. anomia = lawlessness.
5. athesmos = breaking through all restraints of ordinances or institutes, divine or human, to gratify one's lusts. Occurs only in 2Peter 2:7; 3:17.
IV. UNGODLINESS.
asebeia = impiety, absence of "the fear of God", having no reverence for sacred things; irreligious. Septuagint for pasha'. Appendix 44. ix.
V. DISOBEDIENCE, ETC.
1. apeitheia = unwillingness to be persuaded, leading to obstinacy.
2. parakoe = unwillingness to hear, disobedient.
VI. TRANSGRESS, TRANSGRESSOR.
1. parabaino = to step on one side, overstep, go aside from, violate, transgress.
2. parerchomai = to go past, pass by, neglect.
3. parabates, one who steps aside, or oversteps.
VII. INIQUITY.
1. adikia = unrighteousness, wrongdoing.
2. adikema = a wrong done.
3. paranomia = acting contrary to law or custom. Occurs only in 2Peter 2:16.
VIII. ERR, ERROR.
1. planao = to cause to wander or go astray; used of doctrinal error and religious deceit. Compare planos (1Timothy 4:1, "seducing").
2. apoplanao. No. 1 with apo = away from, prefixed (Appendix 104. iv). In Passive, to go astray from, swerve. Occurs only in Mark 13:22 and 1Timothy 6:10.
3. astocheo = to deviate from. Occurs only in 1Timothy 1:6; 6:21. 2Timothy 2:18.
IX. FAULT.
hettema = a diminishing of that which should have been rendered in full measure; diminution, decrease. Occurs in Romans 11:12 and 1Corinthians 6:7.
yeah, ole Bullinger hey?
J.
If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”Thank you for the long list of OT references, applicable to Hebrews, Tribes, Jews, Under Mosaic Laws.
How about consideration of Jewish speakers IN THE NT?
Mark 2
Luke.5
- [7] Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
- [21] And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
Jewish men, WANTED TO KILL Jesus, EXPRESSLY FOR JESUS Forgiving men of their SINS.
Jewish men, KNEW ONLY God forgives SIN.
Jewish men, KNEW a man FORGIVING a man OF SIN, was a man MAKING HIMSELF GOD.
John 10:
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Do you pray to a God you HAVE Committed TO and Repeatedly ask Him TO forgive you For NOT Believing IN Him?
I don’t.
Nor do I forgive men of Sin they commit against God.
Only God forgives SIN.
Men forgive TRESPASSES.
Men forgiving SIN, is men making themselves God.