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Scofield Bible Damage and Atheist Arguments​


God “Created” AND “Made”…
Worlds, Habitats, Beings;
in an; “Order” AND “Way”;
according to His “Liking, Pleasure;
for “His Pleasure”.

Not “a mystery”;
God Spoke, and By, Through, Of His Power;
it was So.

Not “a mystery”;
“DIVISIONS”, (regarding Worlds, Habitats, Beings, (Boundaries, TIME-Lines), ARE an “integral” (whole, necessary, essential, fundamental) ASPECT of Gods “Creation” AND “Making”.

Not “a mystery”;
“FREE-WILL” of Gods Created AND Made “Beings”…
Determines the Exact moment in Time;
Second, Twinkling of an eye,
Day, sun risen,
Night, sun down,
Season, planting, harvesting,
Year, of plenty, of drought

* THAT WHICH;
“a Living Being WILL individually, eternally BE “Divided”…
“With or Without the Lord God Almighty”.


God established “DIVISIONS and TIME” FOR His Creations to “Understand”; “THEIR” authority to “EXERCISE their FREEWILL”IS Limited TO their “unknown Living Life span”.

Debating A second, minute, day, night, month, season, year…is moot.
Every naturally born human, (Whose LIFE “IS” Blood) shall Die. God requires that.
(Gen 9:5)

The Lesson, IS individual LIVING humans Exercising their FREEWILL Of Division, in preparation For their own eternity…
AS God has established and Offered humans the Choice…
With or Without Him.

Glory to God,
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This is what concerns me most. How do we know that is what happened for certain?
My question is this- do these notes happen to contain cross references to the verses that take you to another and another that appears to be right- except one problem is noticed- the cross reference many times, ignores the direct context, as well as ignores large portions of scripture elsewhere that are clear?
IOW, if you read the bible alone you would definitely never not conclude this.
Do you happen to know?
IF So, that's not the 1st time that has happened and it is a very serious and powerful manipulation tactic. wow

What Scofield Actually Did: (Completely explained in great detail)

He built a framework of cross-references that form a circular logic loop. Many of them seem helpful at first glance…
But instead of reinforcing the plain context of the passage, they redirect you to other verses interpreted under the same doctrinal assumption — especially Dispensationalism.

It’s like a theological rabbit hole: you keep following verses that “support” the idea, while being quietly steered away from verses that contradict it.

He replaces the Bible’s own narrative structure with his own commentary lens.

For example, Scofield teaches that the Church and Israel are always separate — a cornerstone of Dispensationalism.
But this idea isn’t stated anywhere in the Bible directly.
It only becomes “true” if you follow his curated notes and “study chain,” which completely ignore or downplay passages like:

“There is no longer Jew or Gentile... you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28)

“He has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier” (Ephesians 2:14)


He introduces theological ideas that did not exist in early Christianity.
Pre-trib Rapture? Church-Israel divide? Literal millennium rule of ethnic Jews?
None of that is in the early Church Fathers. Not once.
Scofield imported it from Darby, who invented Dispensationalism in the 1800s.

Some examples:

Matthew 24:31 – “He will send his angels... and they will gather his elect...”
Scofield: “See Revelation 7:4 – 144,000 sealed Jews.”
Problem: Matthew 24 never mentions 144,000 or restricts “elect” to Jews.
It’s forcing the text into a prebuilt Dispensational model.

Does the note redirect to another verse that only makes sense if you already believe the system?
The reference “confirms” a belief — but only after Scofield’s assumptions are baked in.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 – “Caught up... to meet the Lord in the air.”
Scofield: “See Revelation 3:10 – kept from the hour of trial.”
But Revelation 3:10 is a promise to the church at Philadelphia, not a global escape clause.
It only seems related because of prior teaching.

Does it redirect to many verses that sound similar, but ignore opposing passages?
Cherry-picking a chain of verses that all reinforce the same conclusion, while omitting the ones that refute or balance it.

Chain of references used to teach the Church and Israel are separate:
Genesis 12:3 → Romans 11:1 → Jeremiah 31:31 → Ezekiel 37
But they never mention:
Galatians 3:16 – “The promise was to Abraham’s seed — Christ.”
Ephesians 2:14 – “He made the two one.”
Romans 9:6 – “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.”


Scofield’s system doesn’t just bypass Christ’s completed work — it functionally denies it.

When the notes consistently redirect the reader to future speculation about geopolitical Israel, temple rebuilding, and literal millennial rule — instead of showing how Jesus already fulfilled the Law, the Prophets, and the sacrificial system — they’re not just adding extra doctrine. They are denying the sufficiency of Christ’s first coming.

The New Testament declares it clearly:

“It is finished.” — John 19:30
“Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” — Romans 10:4
“In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son...” —
Hebrews 1:2

But Scofield says, Not quite. There’s more to be fulfilled — by ethnic Israel, not Christ. The real kingdom stuff comes later.
That’s not a delay. That’s a denial.

So instead of proclaiming that Jesus is the fulfillment, the Scofield notes subtly train readers to expect another fulfillment through another people at another time — which makes Christ’s work incomplete in their eyes, even if they say otherwise with their lips.

It’s a theological sleight of hand that replaces the cross with a countdown — and that’s not just error. That’s heresy.

Luke 24:44 – “Everything written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
Scofield’s system rarely lets prophecy rest in Jesus — it always pushes the fulfillment forward into a future geopolitical drama.

Does the study chain elevate national Israel above the Church?
Repeated cross-references define God’s promises as ethnic or political rather than fulfilled spiritually in Christ and His Body.

Galatians 3:7 – “Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.”
Scofield references this but then redirects to Old Covenant promises to ethnic Israel, suggesting a future physical fulfillment instead of acknowledging that the Church is the heir.

That one verse — Galatians 3:7 — completely obliterates the false wall Scofield built between the Church and Israel. It’s not just a theological detail, it’s the very foundation of Christian identity. Paul is crystal clear: those of faith — not bloodline, not passport, not temple affiliation — are the true sons of Abraham. Full stop.

But Scofield couldn’t allow that truth to stand. So what does he do? He references the verse — he can’t ignore it entirely — but immediately redirects the reader’s eyes backward to the Old Covenant promises to ethnic Israel, subtly implying that the real heirs are still Jews by blood, and the Church is just a temporary parenthesis. That’s not biblical interpretation. That’s gaslighting the Gospel.

This is why so many Christians today have no idea who they are. They don’t know they are Israel — not by nationality, but by covenant. They don’t know they are grafted into the same olive tree, heirs of the same promise, spiritual descendants of Abraham through Christ. And because they don’t know it, they’ve become foreigners in their own inheritance, sending money, votes, and blind allegiance to a physical nation they were never called to worship, while neglecting the spiritual nation they were reborn into.
 
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Continued:

Does it avoid or distort covenant theology?
Instead of showing the continuity of God’s redemptive plan from Genesis to Revelation, the chain creates artificial divisions and timelines.

Jeremiah 31:31 – “I will make a new covenant…”
Hebrews 8:6–13 confirms Jesus has already established it.

Scofield references Jeremiah but detaches Hebrews from its full application, reserving the new covenant for national Israel in the future, despite the text saying it’s now active through Christ.

In some Scofield study paths, prophecy charts take center stage and the Gospel gets reduced to a side effect of the Church Age.

1 Corinthians 15:3–4 – “Christ died for our sins... was buried... was raised...”
Instead of centering everything on the resurrection, Scofield’s notes lead readers to obsess over timelines, antichrists, and millennial maps.

If reading scripture becomes more about decoding a system than knowing Christ, then you're not reading the Bible — you're being catechized by a man-made framework

Scofield’s notes in Romans 11 treat Israel’s eventual restoration as a guaranteed, unconditional event — part of God's “unchanging promises to the physical descendants of Abraham.” For example, on Romans 11:26, Scofield’s note says: “The nation is yet to be saved and restored in the land under the Davidic Covenant.” That framing implies ethnic Israel, as a nation, is immune from being cut off — that their return is not only certain, but divinely protected no matter their belief.

But Paul says the exact opposite.

“They were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either.”
Romans 11:20–21

“And even they — if they do not continue in unbelief — will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.”
Romans 11:23

Scofield’s lens tells the reader that Israel is always “in,” but Paul warns that unbelief cuts off even those who were originally chosen, and only faith can graft anyone — Jew or Gentile — into the covenant tree. Scofield teaches prophetic inevitability. Paul teaches conditional covenant.

This isn’t a minor difference. It’s the difference between Gospel warning and prophetic entitlement. And Scofield’s system has blinded generations of believers from seeing that even Israel must believe in Christ or be cut off — just like anyone else.

Bottom line:
If you grew up on a desert island with nothing but a Bible — no Scofield footnotes, no prophecy charts, no TV preachers — you would never arrive at the conclusions Dispensationalists preach. You wouldn’t come away believing that God has two separate peoples with two separate plans. You wouldn’t invent a pre-tribulation rapture that pulls the Church out before tribulation while leaving ethnic Israel behind to fulfill unfinished promises. You wouldn’t teach that Jesus came offering a kingdom that was rejected and postponed. None of that would occur to you — because none of that is in the Bible. It’s imported. It’s artificial. It’s a system read into scripture, not drawn from it. And yet these very conclusions — foreign to the text and unknown to the early Church — now pollute the minds of nearly 70% of Christians in the U.S., many of whom sincerely love Jesus but were raised on study Bibles that trained them to read commentary as if it were Gospel. What began as a subtle shift in footnotes has become a full-blown theological virus — hijacking the identity of the Church, muting the power of Christ’s finished work, and turning American Christianity into a confused, fragmented witness obsessed with future Israel instead of the risen King. And worst of all, even if you bring your own Bible to church — even if it has no Scofield notes — if your pastor was trained in a Scofield-infected seminary (and many now are), you’re still being taught through that lens. The heresy gets passed down not through the page, but from the pulpit. The footnotes may be invisible, but the doctrine is alive and spreading.


How it all began..
In the 1920s, thousands of eager, clean-cut young men across America — the John Boy Waltons of their time — sat at kitchen tables and seminary desks, reading what they thought were just free Bibles. But these weren’t ordinary Bibles. They were Scofield’s weaponized study editions — laced with theological poison disguised as scholarly notes. Slowly, without even realizing it, they were being brainwashed by a system that rewired how they saw Israel, prophecy, and the Gospel itself. By the time the mid-20th century rolled around, those same young men had become the pastors and televangelists of the '60s, '70s, and '80s — wild-eyed preachers screaming through rabbit-eared televisions to millions of Americans, “WE MUST SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS & NUKES AND TANKS TO ISRAEL OR WE’LL ALL GO TO HELLLLLLL-AHHHH!!!” All because they read a free “study Bible” that taught them to follow a commentary instead of Jesus Christ.
 
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Hey, hope all is well with you.
Thanks. Yep, I knew that is was kjv. It seems that his notes are the issue. I haven't had time to look into the financial backers of it, and that I am interested in. Perhaps someday. My comment was merely in reference to a school needing a "study" bible. I just find that somewhat amusing in an off sort of way.
What was posted about the financial background was stunning, yet it would not surprise me given the infiltration of all institutions. I would need to verify it myself. Maybe someday..
Its not as if I can do a thing about it. But if true, it would be a real alarm in my mind. It's one of those things though, will many care enough to deeply delve into the word without being simply taught of man, or would they just be offended and dismiss it?

That might sound odd, but having once been bitten now twice shy, because I once blindly trusted, I have had to become a very cautious berean, no matter the credentials of the teacher.
I always see it this way. He has alot of good notes. I do not agree with everything he says, then again, I would not blindly trust any study bible.
 

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This is what concerns me most. How do we know that is what happened for certain?
My question is this- do these notes happen to contain cross references to the verses that take you to another and another that appears to be right- except one problem is noticed- the cross reference many times, ignores the direct context, as well as ignores large portions of scripture elsewhere that are clear?
IOW, if you read the bible alone you would definitely never not conclude this.
Do you happen to know?
IF So, that's not the 1st time that has happened and it is a very serious and powerful manipulation tactic. wow
People have a thing against scofield. I have heard people accuse him of believing or saying something he never said.

Most people who attack others do not even really know what they believe,, they just seem to have some mission they think is from God,..

Satan wants to divide us.. what better way then to get people to feel they are doing Gods work to destroy something
 
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People have a thing against scofield. I have heard people accuse him of believing or saying something he never said.

Most people who attack others do not even really know what they believe,, they just seem to have some mission they think is from God,..

Satan wants to divide us.. what better way then to get people to feel they are doing Gods work to destroy something

Oh yeah! Satan wants us divided. He has been doing a pretty decent job too. I have hope though.

I want to just say this to you. I am sure that people say things that they should not and some say it in strife and pride. I hear you .That is when that person is walking in the flesh. I would only listen to what a person has to say who is saying it in loving concern. I would do my own deep research. I will tell you why. this is so important.. What I am about to say is kind of deep so please know that I know that and ask you to just read knowing that this is from my heart.

I was raised a Jw as you know.. They have their own bible. It's a real mess, but I am not referring to the scriptures themselves right now. - I am only referring to their chain of cross references. Please bare with me here ok?

Last night, I asked TheGospel of Christ if there were cross references in Scofields notes, that seemed to appear to be right when using them- but at a very close examination they lead to issues such as ignoring context or ignoring the big picture... I was vague.

I just asked that Q last night- WHY? That is what the JW bible does. THERE is NO way to know that---------- unless we take off our lenses and read ALL of scripture as a whole, and use cross references from various translations and study very hard and pray hard.

This is no game. When we are taught anything by using only certain verses for a length of time it becomes our truth.
It is something that can happen to ANYONE. Even the elect. I think that only with love and a ton of patience and prayer we can help them to see this.
this is very destructive manipulative tool of mind control and people will fight for their view very hard. Do you see Jws_ that is a huge part of what it wrong with them. People love to refuse that could happen to them , but it is not about intelligence. There are some very intelligent Jws too. It's not an insult to the person. It can happen to anyone! But they get very defensive if you suggest it. Because theyfeel their truth is being lied about and attacked.

Lately, I have been hearing pastors from CC's on radio say things like, If you don't believe this then you may not be a CHRISTIAN.
That terrifies me and breaks my heart. This is eschatology and should never DIVIDE us!!!!!
That is what Jws do, call anyone who disagrees names and judges all others as evil.. To be clear- I am not comparing Scofiield bible users to JWs in the broad sense at all! lol -- No never!

But I am saying that I do recognize this. It happened to me and all of my family. It happened to all Jws too, although there is much more that they also do to them- No comparison, but this is one of the tactics. Please hear me out?

Also, looking at the financial backing - I must say that is also a huge alarm. I hate to see this.
Also a seminary should not need to teach from another man's study bible! What on earth? They should ONLY be spirit led and fully scriptural and never cherry picking or a looping theology. Yes, I question that.
And who financed Dallas Theological? A Scofield student. This is odd, when added to the other things.

Gospel of Christ- replied to my question- this am. I have only read half of it and it IS exactly what I was saying. She/he had NO way of knowing that is what I meant. I was purposefully vague.
But wow. I am stunned.
Please read that reply. It's quite lengthy. Keep an open mind- no fear. Walk in the spirit- pray. perhaps you were were taught wrong on this? could that be a possibility?. After all, what you desire is only whole truth. I know that about you. You are one of the few on here who does give me that impression. Truth from God above and not man. That is what I desired too and still do, always will. Prayerfully consider what I am saying please, EG?
you probably now about Rockerfeller and globalism. I have been aware of this stuff since 1991. People are only waking up to this now, and that includes CC pastors. To think that they could have been infiltrated and used this way makes me sick to my stomach. But as I said-- this kind of thing can fool even the elect if possible. I hold out hope that many will see. They are only beginning to see what is going on. I am going to be praying for them about this from now on.
I am not set in cement about all eschatology and am open to teachings of others. I am very cautious though and pray. But I do not see what they do. I see much more in the scriptures that they discount or take too literally. There are too many holes in it. We saw what happened to the Jews when they misunderstood prophecy. We need to remember that so we don't also do the same. When we take scriptures as a whole it changes things. I hope that didn't sound like a lecture. It is from my heart. I am just beginning to see lately how what I have gone through in my life can serve to help others. He is so amazing. I'm insanely humbled. Praise God.
 

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What Scofield Actually Did: (Completely explained in great detail)

He built a framework of cross-references that form a circular logic loop. Many of them seem helpful at first glance…
But instead of reinforcing the plain context of the passage, they redirect you to other verses interpreted under the same doctrinal assumption — especially Dispensationalism.

It’s like a theological rabbit hole: you keep following verses that “support” the idea, while being quietly steered away from verses that contradict it.

He replaces the Bible’s own narrative structure with his own commentary lens.

For example, Scofield teaches that the Church and Israel are always separate — a cornerstone of Dispensationalism.
But this idea isn’t stated anywhere in the Bible directly.
It only becomes “true” if you follow his curated notes and “study chain,” which completely ignore or downplay passages like:

“There is no longer Jew or Gentile... you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28)

“He has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier” (Ephesians 2:14)


He introduces theological ideas that did not exist in early Christianity.
Pre-trib Rapture? Church-Israel divide? Literal millennium rule of ethnic Jews?
None of that is in the early Church Fathers. Not once.
Scofield imported it from Darby, who invented Dispensationalism in the 1800s.

Some examples:

Matthew 24:31 – “He will send his angels... and they will gather his elect...”
Scofield: “See Revelation 7:4 – 144,000 sealed Jews.”
Problem: Matthew 24 never mentions 144,000 or restricts “elect” to Jews.
It’s forcing the text into a prebuilt Dispensational model.

Does the note redirect to another verse that only makes sense if you already believe the system?
The reference “confirms” a belief — but only after Scofield’s assumptions are baked in.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 – “Caught up... to meet the Lord in the air.”
Scofield: “See Revelation 3:10 – kept from the hour of trial.”
But Revelation 3:10 is a promise to the church at Philadelphia, not a global escape clause.
It only seems related because of prior teaching.

Does it redirect to many verses that sound similar, but ignore opposing passages?
Cherry-picking a chain of verses that all reinforce the same conclusion, while omitting the ones that refute or balance it.

Chain of references used to teach the Church and Israel are separate:
Genesis 12:3 → Romans 11:1 → Jeremiah 31:31 → Ezekiel 37
But they never mention:
Galatians 3:16 – “The promise was to Abraham’s seed — Christ.”
Ephesians 2:14 – “He made the two one.”
Romans 9:6 – “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.”


Scofield’s system doesn’t just bypass Christ’s completed work — it functionally denies it.

When the notes consistently redirect the reader to future speculation about geopolitical Israel, temple rebuilding, and literal millennial rule — instead of showing how Jesus already fulfilled the Law, the Prophets, and the sacrificial system — they’re not just adding extra doctrine. They are denying the sufficiency of Christ’s first coming.

The New Testament declares it clearly:

“It is finished.” — John 19:30
“Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” — Romans 10:4
“In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son...” —
Hebrews 1:2

But Scofield says, Not quite. There’s more to be fulfilled — by ethnic Israel, not Christ. The real kingdom stuff comes later.
That’s not a delay. That’s a denial.

So instead of proclaiming that Jesus is the fulfillment, the Scofield notes subtly train readers to expect another fulfillment through another people at another time — which makes Christ’s work incomplete in their eyes, even if they say otherwise with their lips.

It’s a theological sleight of hand that replaces the cross with a countdown — and that’s not just error. That’s heresy.

Luke 24:44 – “Everything written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
Scofield’s system rarely lets prophecy rest in Jesus — it always pushes the fulfillment forward into a future geopolitical drama.

Does the study chain elevate national Israel above the Church?
Repeated cross-references define God’s promises as ethnic or political rather than fulfilled spiritually in Christ and His Body.

Galatians 3:7 – “Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.”
Scofield references this but then redirects to Old Covenant promises to ethnic Israel, suggesting a future physical fulfillment instead of acknowledging that the Church is the heir.

That one verse — Galatians 3:7 — completely obliterates the false wall Scofield built between the Church and Israel. It’s not just a theological detail, it’s the very foundation of Christian identity. Paul is crystal clear: those of faith — not bloodline, not passport, not temple affiliation — are the true sons of Abraham. Full stop.

But Scofield couldn’t allow that truth to stand. So what does he do? He references the verse — he can’t ignore it entirely — but immediately redirects the reader’s eyes backward to the Old Covenant promises to ethnic Israel, subtly implying that the real heirs are still Jews by blood, and the Church is just a temporary parenthesis. That’s not biblical interpretation. That’s gaslighting the Gospel.

This is why so many Christians today have no idea who they are. They don’t know they are Israel — not by nationality, but by covenant. They don’t know they are grafted into the same olive tree, heirs of the same promise, spiritual descendants of Abraham through Christ. And because they don’t know it, they’ve become foreigners in their own inheritance, sending money, votes, and blind allegiance to a physical nation they were never called to worship, while neglecting the spiritual nation they were reborn into.
I am speechless. This is so, is far precisely what I was asking about. this is what the JW cross references also do.
Thank you for answering me so completely. I am stunned. It makes an awful lot of sense, and when you put all of it together it is seemingly undeniable. I haven't 'even read all that you've written here yet. I will though.
When you said circular reasoning I must say- the Lord gave me those very two words once, when I asked about a JW teaching.
I am stunned .
I'm deeply saddened for my fellow believers in Christ who have been misled by this tactic. It is a powerful mind control tool. It can happen to anyone. It has nothing to do with intelligence. This one I am very familiar with. Seems I had to go through it to get out of it.
We see various tactics used by the media too and many of our institutions. We need to be very cautious about how we present this- satan wants us divided. Their anger is understandable. We need to present this in peace and with all love for our brothers and sisters here, or it will just be dismissed as a hateful conspiracy theory.. The infiltration of our churches is vast now and some are obvious sin and some are so very deceitful that even the elect can be affected for a season.

Many will argue when this is revealed, and that is ok. It is expected. Allow them time because it is a shocker. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. We must obey and hate the sin and love our brothers. I am on their side and feel for them having been there- and I hope they know that.
What my Q now is- Scofield- I wish we knew his connections while writing these notes and references. Did he have any help? Who? Who did they know? Was anyone paid? etc. I am trying to link how Rockefeller could have known and decided he wanted in, because I doubt that he read the scriptures but you never know. Satan quotes it. but do you see my thinking?
IOW did Scofield do this innocently or purposefully? Can we ever know? any info there?
Thanks again for all of that. Horrible.
 

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Oh yeah! Satan wants us divided. He has been doing a pretty decent job too. I have hope though.

I want to just say this to you. I am sure that people say things that they should not and some say it in strife and pride. I hear you .That is when that person is walking in the flesh. I would only listen to what a person has to say who is saying it in loving concern. I would do my own deep research. I will tell you why. this is so important.. What I am about to say is kind of deep so please know that I know that and ask you to just read knowing that this is from my heart.

I was raised a Jw as you know.. They have their own bible. It's a real mess, but I am not referring to the scriptures themselves right now. - I am only referring to their chain of cross references. Please bare with me here ok?

Last night, I asked TheGospel of Christ if there were cross references in Scofields notes, that seemed to appear to be right when using them- but at a very close examination they lead to issues such as ignoring context or ignoring the big picture... I was vague.

I just asked that Q last night- WHY? That is what the JW bible does. THERE is NO way to know that---------- unless we take off our lenses and read ALL of scripture as a whole, and use cross references from various translations and study very hard and pray hard.

This is no game. When we are taught anything by using only certain verses for a length of time it becomes our truth.
It is something that can happen to ANYONE. Even the elect. I think that only with love and a ton of patience and prayer we can help them to see this.
this is very destructive manipulative tool of mind control and people will fight for their view very hard. Do you see Jws_ that is a huge part of what it wrong with them. People love to refuse that could happen to them , but it is not about intelligence. There are some very intelligent Jws too. It's not an insult to the person. It can happen to anyone! But they get very defensive if you suggest it. Because theyfeel their truth is being lied about and attacked.

Lately, I have been hearing pastors from CC's on radio say things like, If you don't believe this then you may not be a CHRISTIAN.
That terrifies me and breaks my heart. This is eschatology and should never DIVIDE us!!!!!
That is what Jws do, call anyone who disagrees names and judges all others as evil.. To be clear- I am not comparing Scofiield bible users to JWs in the broad sense at all! lol -- No never!

But I am saying that I do recognize this. It happened to me and all of my family. It happened to all Jws too, although there is much more that they also do to them- No comparison, but this is one of the tactics. Please hear me out?

Also, looking at the financial backing - I must say that is also a huge alarm. I hate to see this.
Also a seminary should not need to teach from another man's study bible! What on earth? They should ONLY be spirit led and fully scriptural and never cherry picking or a looping theology. Yes, I question that.
And who financed Dallas Theological? A Scofield student. This is odd, when added to the other things.

Gospel of Christ- replied to my question- this am. I have only read half of it and it IS exactly what I was saying. She/he had NO way of knowing that is what I meant. I was purposefully vague.
But wow. I am stunned.
Please read that reply. It's quite lengthy. Keep an open mind- no fear. Walk in the spirit- pray. perhaps you were were taught wrong on this? could that be a possibility?. After all, what you desire is only whole truth. I know that about you. You are one of the few on here who does give me that impression. Truth from God above and not man. That is what I desired too and still do, always will. Prayerfully consider what I am saying please, EG?
you probably now about Rockerfeller and globalism. I have been aware of this stuff since 1991. People are only waking up to this now, and that includes CC pastors. To think that they could have been infiltrated and used this way makes me sick to my stomach. But as I said-- this kind of thing can fool even the elect if possible. I hold out hope that many will see. They are only beginning to see what is going on. I am going to be praying for them about this from now on.
I am not set in cement about all eschatology and am open to teachings of others. I am very cautious though and pray. But I do not see what they do. I see much more in the scriptures that they discount or take too literally. There are too many holes in it. We saw what happened to the Jews when they misunderstood prophecy. We need to remember that so we don't also do the same. When we take scriptures as a whole it changes things. I hope that didn't sound like a lecture. It is from my heart. I am just beginning to see lately how what I have gone through in my life can serve to help others. He is so amazing. I'm insanely humbled. Praise God.
Very well thought out response. Very good logic too.
 

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Scofield Bible Damage and Atheist Arguments​


God “Created” AND “Made”…
Worlds, Habitats, Beings;
in an; “Order” AND “Way”;
according to His “Liking, Pleasure;
for “His Pleasure”.

Not “a mystery”;
God Spoke, and By, Through, Of His Power;
it was So.

Not “a mystery”;
“DIVISIONS”, (regarding Worlds, Habitats, Beings, (Boundaries, TIME-Lines), ARE an “integral” (whole, necessary, essential, fundamental) ASPECT of Gods “Creation” AND “Making”.

Not “a mystery”;
“FREE-WILL” of Gods Created AND Made “Beings”…
Determines the Exact moment in Time;
Second, Twinkling of an eye,
Day, sun risen,
Night, sun down,
Season, planting, harvesting,
Year, of plenty, of drought

* THAT WHICH;
“a Living Being WILL individually, eternally BE “Divided”…
“With or Without the Lord God Almighty”.


God established “DIVISIONS and TIME” FOR His Creations to “Understand”; “THEIR” authority to “EXERCISE their FREEWILL”IS Limited TO their “unknown Living Life span”.

Debating A second, minute, day, night, month, season, year…is moot.
Every naturally born human, (Whose LIFE “IS” Blood) shall Die. God requires that.
(Gen 9:5)

The Lesson, IS individual LIVING humans Exercising their FREEWILL Of Division, in preparation For their own eternity…
AS God has established and Offered humans the Choice…
With or Without Him.

Glory to God,
Taken
I have no idea what you are trying to say? You think division is good amongst believers? No. Jesus prayed that we have unity. Paul also spoke about unity. The division that Jesus spoke about was not between BELIEVERS! He was talking about how the Jews would disown their family over HIM. It still happens today not only amongst Jews- I have been shunned for 26 yrs by JW family. Christ does divide but NOT believers. MAN DOES THAT.
 

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You're arguing in circles now. First you say "yom means a 24-hour day in context" — then ignore the actual context, which is a non-clock-based poetic creation hymn where the sun (the basis of our 24-hour system) doesn't exist until Day 4.

"Evening and morning" is not a stopwatch, it's a literary marker. That phrase was used in Jewish writing to denote closure, not exact timekeeping. If you think the ancient Hebrews needed a digital watch to honor God’s creative rhythm, you're dragging modern Western constructs into a text written over 3,000 years ago.
Well, let's hear your take on it. How do you define the evening and the morning as the first day? Flesh this out for me so I understand your position more fully.
“So I guess Yom Kippur is an indefinite age too”
Nice try — but that’s not even the same usage. “Yom Kippur” is an appointed festival day on the Jewish calendar, where the time unit is explicitly defined by context and tradition. Genesis 1 is not a calendar. It’s not a festival. It’s a revelation. You’re comparing apples to scrolls.
Hardly, I am showing that YOM is not just a metaphoric symbol for a period of time. It can also mean simply "day"
“If you're going to say Gen 1 is poetic, then say the whole thing is metaphor.”
Okay — so by that logic, if Jesus says, “I am the door,” I should assume He’s a piece of wood?
No, But I wouldn't say he is the door to the sheep and then say the sheep are literal
The Bible is full of both literal and poetic language — often side by side. The job of a faithful interpreter is to rightly divide, not force everything into one category.
You keep critiquing modern models based on your assumption that the jews had a more complete understanding. However, most of them missed Jesus as the messiah and totally misunderstood the law.
The real issue here? You’re not defending Genesis. You're defending a 19th-century theological system that needs six literal 24-hour days so it can glue together Scofield’s timeline, Darby’s rapture chart, and a fake divide between Israel and the Church.

And you are not defending the scriptures...you are defending a mystical kabbalistic interpretation of them. Also, I could care less for Bishop Usher's opinion on the age of the earth....the same for Scofield's timeline.

*edit* Just for future reference...I do not hold to Dispensationalism.
 
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I have no idea what you are trying to say?
God Established Division.

You think division is good amongst believers?
I think ALOT of Division exists among “Believers”…. And among “Believers and Non-Believers”.

No. Jesus prayed that we have unity. Paul also spoke about unity. The division that Jesus spoke about was not between BELIEVERS! He was talking about how the Jews would disown their family over HIM. It still happens today not only amongst Jews- I have been shunned for 26 yrs by JW family. Christ does divide but NOT believers. MAN DOES THAT.
Up / Down
Day / Night
Hebrews / Tribes/ Gentiles
With / Without
Etc.

Luke 12:
[42] And the Lord said..
(Lord Jesus continues speaking)

Luke 12:
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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God Established Division.


I think ALOT of Division exists among “Believers”…. And among “Believers and Non-Believers”.


Up / Down
Day / Night
Hebrews / Tribes/ Gentiles
With / Without
Etc.

Luke 12:
[42] And the Lord said..
(Lord Jesus continues speaking)

Luke 12:
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Glory to God,
Taken
Don't you even read what I posted? Could I be possibly be right and Scofield wrong? Or is Scofield your god? You can not have it both ways. It is either Scofield or what Jesus and Paul said . read please.

No. Jesus prayed that we have unity. Paul also spoke about unity. The division that Jesus spoke about was not between BELIEVERS! He was talking about how the Jews would disown their family over HIM. it divided families- mother, daughter in law, etc
AND It still happens today not only amongst Jews- I have been shunned for 26 yrs by JW family. OVER JESUS.
Christ does divide but NOT believers. MAN DOES THAT.