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Anthony, you're doing all of those thing I listed against earlier."Jane_Doe22,
{God's greatest gift is His Son. Not scripture.}
Does God have a Son? How do you know that?
[A person is saved by Jesus Christ. Not scripture.]
Why does a person need to be saved? Saved from what? How does that happen?
[Scripture only comes to life by the power of God's Spirit testifying in a persons' heart. ]
What gives you that idea? what do you mean Gods Spirit?
[Never place your human understanding of scripture above God Himself.]
Are you suggesting someone has done this?
Could you show where any person posted this?
[He majesty and wonders are way more than you can comprehend (or me or anyone else).
Where do you get such an idea? How would we know?
[A person's theological understanding of God does not define Him.]
Where do we get an understanding, a true understanding of God?...could it be SCRIPTURE?
[A person whom loves God]
The true and living God? or a god of their own imagination, an idol;
115 Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.
2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.
Here you list 6 DIFFERENT GODS;
1](be they Calvinist,
2]or Catholic,
3]or LDS,
4] or modulist,
5]or JW,
or whatever),
[loves God.]
And there is only one God.
One true God, many false Gods
His argument is flawed anyway. He cannot answer "what scripture" (how he believes the Bible instead of another scripture) without acknowledging God giving of Himself (working in us).Anthony, you're doing all of those thing I listed against earlier.
Remember: God >> scripture. God reveals and teaches Truth (including through scripture). Scripture does not save, Christ does. We don't worship the scripture, we worship God. Don't forget He comes first.
God is not defined by our understanding of Him. 6 (527) different people will each have limited & flawed understanding of the ONE God. And that's 527 people whom need to ever continue to be sanctified & learn & walk with Him.
Anthony, you're doing all of those thing I listed against earlier.
Remember: God >> scripture. God reveals and teaches Truth (including through scripture). Scripture does not save, Christ does. We don't worship the scripture, we worship God. He and His Spirit teach & testify of Truth. Don't forget He comes first.
God is not defined by our understanding of Him. 6 (or 527) different people will each have limited & flawed understanding of the ONE God. And that's 527 people whom need to ever continue to be sanctified & learn & walk with Him.
But I have. Here, I'll do it again point blank for you:You are not responding to the questions in my reply to you.
Does God have a Son? How do you know that?
Why does a person need to be saved? Saved from what? How does that happen?
What gives you that idea? what do you mean Gods Spirit?
[Never place your human understanding of scripture above God Himself.]
Are you suggesting someone has done this?
Could you show where any person posted this?
Where do you get such an idea? How would we know?
Where do we get an understanding, a true understanding of God?...could it be SCRIPTURE?
Only one Alighty God.[A person whom loves God]
The true and living God? or a god of their own imagination, an idol;
115 Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.
2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.
Here you list 6 DIFFERENT GODS;
1](be they Calvinist,
2]or Catholic,
3]or LDS,
4] or modulist,
5]or JW,
or whatever),
[loves God.]
And there is only one God.
One true God, many false Gods
There's a lot more going on with the OP than just expressing his appreciation of scripture.I really think the OP was just showing appreciation for the scripture. And, like what always happens here, it's evolved into an debate.
First thing I am going to say (without apology) is that I do believe the Bible is the Word of God. If you do not believe that, no hard feelings, but I disagree. And as such, nothing I say hereafter is relevant as far as you are concerned.
Second... What is more important, Jesus or his words and actions (as they are recorded in the Bible)? I don't separate them. We were saved by his blood and death according to the Bible, but also by his life. Not just his death, but also by his life! (Romans 5:9-10). That is, the things he said and did.
One of the things he did was chose 12 men to preach and make disciples of all nation's, and he gave them full authority in his name. They did so, and one way was by written word. So, if you are pointing to Jesus as the greatest gift (which is rightly done) you must also look at what he said as an extension of him.
Thus, I see no reason to separate God and Scripture. It would be like a wife honoring her husband but not listening to him.
I do not believe the OP was just showing an appreciation for Scripture. We all appreciate Scripture. This is God's own words, God "breathed". Scripture is God's revelation of Himself to man. The greater revelation us Christ.I really think the OP was just showing appreciation for the scripture. And, like what always happens here, it's evolved into an debate.
First thing I am going to say (without apology) is that I do believe the Bible is the Word of God. If you do not believe that, no hard feelings, but I disagree. And as such, nothing I say hereafter is relevant as far as you are concerned.
Second... What is more important, Jesus or his words and actions (as they are recorded in the Bible)? I don't separate them. We were saved by his blood and death according to the Bible, but also by his life. Not just his death, but also by his life! (Romans 5:9-10). That is, the things he said and did.
One of the things he did was chose 12 men to preach and make disciples of all nation's, and he gave them full authority in his name. They did so, and one way was by written word. So, if you are pointing to Jesus as the greatest gift (which is rightly done) you must also look at what he said as an extension of him.
Thus, I see no reason to separate God and Scripture. It would be like a wife honoring her husband but not listening to him.
Huh?The revelation can never be greater than what is revealed.
The revelation (the disclosure) can never be greater than what is revealed (the thing disclosed).Huh?
And often different scriptures.Jane_Doe22,
[But I have. Here, I'll do it again point blank for you:]
Testimony received from God the Spirit.
Comes from God. Starts by a person receiving testimony from God and having faith in Him.]
What do you mean?
A person is walking down the street and they "receive testimony from God the Spirit"?
<skipping the rhetorical questions>
You are skipping the questions that will show the truth being discussed
[Anthony, everything comes from God. God can (and frequently) uses scripture as a window to show His Truths. But the light comes from God, not the window. Without God & His witness, scripture doesn't do jack].
Who is God's witness?
[Only one Alighty God.]
Yet you mention 6 different groups who have different God's.
Anthony, do you not know God?Jane_Doe22,
[But I have. Here, I'll do it again point blank for you:]
Testimony received from God the Spirit.
Comes from God. Starts by a person receiving testimony from God and having faith in Him.]
What do you mean?
A person is walking down the street and they "receive testimony from God the Spirit"?
<skipping the rhetorical questions>
You are skipping the questions that will show the truth being discussed
[Anthony, everything comes from God. God can (and frequently) uses scripture as a window to show His Truths. But the light comes from God, not the window. Without God & His witness, scripture doesn't do jack].
There's only one almighty God.Yet you mention 6 different groups who have different God's.
I am not on that other board. I am going by what is in this thread. So, if there is a back story... Ok. I am just responding to what I read.The reason I say this is the OP was first posted in another board where it (the OP) argued directly that Scripture rather than Christ us the greatest gift to humanity.
Naw... It still doesn't make sense. A revelation is something that is revealed.revelation (the disclosure) can never be greater than what is revealed (the thing disclosed).
Huh?Scripture reveals His to man but Scripture is not greater than God.
Nonsense."Jane_Doe22,
[There's only one almighty God.
If 352 people have different flaws in their understanding of God, that doesn't change Him the slightest. It's just 352 people whom have more to learn on their walk with Him.]
This is exactly why the scriptures are given,A JW, for example, does not have a "walk with Him", they have another, jesus, another gospel.
You did not answers the questions because apart from scripture you cannot answer.,
Expect that scripture's meaning defined though your personal lens -- your own mortal traditions of Walter Martin and Calvin and Luther, etc.Jane_Doe22,
[Nonsense.]
No, thanks to scripture we can understand such vital truths as this, far from nonsense, this can make the difference of someone being saved or not.
[It's a disciple of Christ whom (in my view) has a very poor understanding of Him. That person's poor understanding doesn't somehow alter Him in anyway.
He's just as much a disciple of Christ as you, I, or anyone else here.]
Not according to scripture...that is how this thread can be helpful