Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

[TheslightestID]

Nope I gave you both specific and now general scriptures that’s all I know to do

Ok, let me prove your general scriptures wrong and make my point with one simple scripture.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

 

[theefaith]

Ok, let me prove your general scriptures wrong and make my point with one simple scripture.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

ya God can work miracles so?

 

[TheslightestID]

ya God can work miracles so?

What do you mean?

 

[theefaith]

What do you mean?

I said only God can do miracles
You gave an example of God doing a miracle

Now an example of someone performing a miracle by their own power and authority???

 

[TheslightestID]

then you’re turn give me an example of anybody working a miracle by their own power and authority

Lol, you completely missed the point.

As to your "miracles on their own", you changed the subject, from....

only God can work miracles

.....to only God can work miracles on his own.

Meaning you original comment was wrong, others can work miracles. What a dishonest change of subject.

 

[theefaith]

Lol, you completely missed the point.

As to your "miracles on their own", you changed the subject, from....



.....to only God can work miracles on his own.

Meaning you original comment was wrong, others can work miracles. What a dishonest change of subject.

no if someone works a miracle it by their own power and authority as opposed to peter whom I said worked miracles by the power authority and name of Jesus not his own authority and power

Jesus worked miracles so he is divine God

 

[TheslightestID]

Jesus worked miracles so he is divine God

Do you have scripture proving that Christ worked the miricles on his on and not through the power of of God?

 

[theefaith]

Do you have scripture proving that Christ worked the miricles on his on and not through the power of of God?

Matt 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

27 But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

He rebuked then!
Winds and sea obey Him!

next
Does a man have authority to change the commandments?

Matt 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[TheslightestID]

Matt 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

27 But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

You are doing it again, that proves nothing. The wind and sea obey Christ because he has faith. Just like Peter walking on water because he had faith.

 

[Butch5]

Lk 1:37

Context. There is nothing in Scripture that says Jesus was fully two different things. Actually, we find that He wasn't. Being in the image of God He emptied Himself.

5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
(Phil. 2:5-8 NAS)

He was one thing, He emptied Himself and became another thing. He wasn't fully two different things.

 

[theefaith]

Context. There is nothing in Scripture that says Jesus was fully two different things. Actually, we find that He wasn't. Being in the image of God He emptied Himself.

5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
(Phil. 2:5-8 NAS)

He was one thing, He emptied Himself and became another thing. He wasn't fully two different things.

not so it’s just He submitted his human will to the will of the father

 

[theefaith]

Hypostatic union is a technical term in Christian theology employed in mainstream Christology to describe the union of Christ's humanity and divinity in one hypostasis, or individual existence. The most basic explanation for the hypostatic union is Jesus Christ being both fully God and fully man.
a Christian mystery
The trinity is a mystery
the union Christ and his church are a mystery

 

[kcnalp]

God called Himself US, OUR and WE several times in the Bible.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Trinitarinians deny the big reveal of Jesus' ministry is that he is the long awaited Messiah, chosen by God to reconcile humanity to God and was never about revealing God incarnate. (Every Epistle makes clear that God, in his unitarian nature, is the Father alone, whose will is carried out by the Lord Jesus, anointed by God. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. When we say Jack and Jill went up the hill, it is not to be construed they are 1 being. The same when God, the Father, and Jesus went up the hill ...)

The amazing book of Acts establishes the highly controversial fact that a man was resurrected by God - and that eternal life is the inheritance of all who believe. No fair reading of this book could support any other conclusion. The trinitarian IDOLATRY of this man destroys the proof of Good News of our inheritance. For it is understandable that an all powerful God could appear to die and resurrect himself. (Translation below is CJB)

ACTS 1
v3 After his death he showed himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. (God is eternal and him being alive is a given).

v7 He answered, “You don’t need to know the dates or the times; the Father has kept these under his own authority. (The Father Alone is God and his authority being different from and higher than Jesus in this verse is clear.)

ACTS 4
v7 “By what power or in what name did you do this?” NOTE: The answer is NOT in the name of God and no claim of God incarnate. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. The name is not the name of God.
v10 It is in the name of the Messiah, Yeshua from Natzeret, whom you had executed on a stake as a criminal but whom God has raised from the dead, that this man stands before you perfectly healed. (God in his unitarian nature clearly acted upon the dead Messiah, in whose name the emissaries of the Anointed One do this, perform miracles).

v24 Begins a prayer to God ...
v27 your holy servant Yeshua, whom you made Messiah (Again, God acted on Jesus, the Messiah. In this verse, God, in his unitarian nature made Yeshua the Messiah. This is not how one would talk about God incarnate).

Thus the prayer to God ends with

v30 Stretch out your hand to heal and to do signs and miracles through the name of your holy servant Yeshua!” (God, in his unitarian nature, does signs and miracles in the name of his servant, Yeshua. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. God is not his own servant.)

The two Scriptures I cite for universal language both Christians and even Jehovah's Witnesses can follow and agree as Biblically consistent:
A. Baptize all nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

B. JOHN 10:29-30
Where Jesus declares both are true at the same time without conflict:

God the Father is Greater than all.
The Father and I are one.

So @Wrangler Anything telling us that there is conflict between God as One and God manifesting as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is because man has not forgiven man. And we are projecting fear of our differences in how we see God manifesting in different levels to different people in different contexts.

God is still the same God.

It is because God is infinite, by the time people understand and perceive God, we break this up into different levels. So some people see God as unity and some see God in relation to man and have different names for those levels between God and man.

I even met a husband and wife, both faithful Christians, and one saw God as unity and the other as God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. We tried to explain this doesn't contradict God as one. But neither the husband or wife could see it the way the other was saying it!

It was clearly how God designed us to see things different ways. Still the one God, but in practice, the role that Jesus plays or the manifestation of the Holy Spirit are like distinct names for the one God working on different levels.

God also manifests as Love and as Wisdom.
Are these separate "gods" or just gifts from the one God?

We don't have to divide over this.
Just agree to forgive in Christ Jesus and receive God's wisdom, ways and words thar may be given in different approaches to different people. Because we each have our own unique path purpose and relationship with the One God through Christ Jesus.

None is greater than God the Father.
And the Father and Son are One.
And we are all called to Baptize All Nations in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit to establish God's Truth Justice and Peace for All Humanity made One Church in Christ Jesus as the one Mediator between us and God.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Ps @Wrangler
About Jesus and God incarnated
My understanding is that when we the people receive Jesus, this is the spirit of God's laws Word and Justice living in us and governing our relations.

This is to commit to practice what we preach by letting the Spirit of God's Truth Justice and Peace LIVE IN US.

It is not about witnessing externally.

But teaching people to embrace God thriugh Christ INTERNALLY.

That is what it means for Jesus to fulfill the Word or Laws of God.

If we want to receive the Father we receive the Son. By receiving and committing to Jesus as Justice living in our hearts minds spirit and relations, then God's love and laws become embodied in us, in our church community and outreach and from there in our institutions, nations and even govt.

That is how we share the Father Son and Holy Spirit with people of all Nations.

Not by proving things externally.

But embodying God's truth laws and love
Internally in ourselves lives and relations through Christ who fulfills the Law of God
by making it EMBODIED in the people or church embracing Jesus as God's Authority of Law and Justice we can commit to live by.

Whoever receives the Son receives the Father who sends Him.

 

[Wrangler]

The two Scriptures I cite for universal language both Christians and even Jehovah's Witnesses can follow and agree as Biblically consistent:
A. Baptize all nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

What happened to Matthew 28:19?

 

[Wrangler]

And the Father and Son are One.

And we are on with God in John 17:22. Doesn't make us God either, any more than the man Jesus is.

 

[Wrangler]

If we want to receive the Father we receive the Son.

Agreed. It's just that the Father is God alone and Jesus is adopted, as we are. See Ephesians 1:5

 

[Emily Nghiem]

What happened to Matthew 28:19?

Thank you @Wrangler

Matthew 28:19 does not call for or teach any Trinity. When Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses cite the original verses we all agree on *the Father, Son and Holy Spirit* as stated.

Anything else about Trinity or Persons are not in the Bible, and are not Universal to all believers.

We don't have to argue or agree on Persons/Trinity etc.

We can all agree to cite the names given in the Bible as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

We can also agree these 3 correspond to the Two Great Commandments and Jesus New Commandment given in John 13:34
1. To love GOD with all our heart mind and soul
3. To love our Neighbor as Ourselves
2. To love one another as Christ Jesus loves us

This fulfills the message given in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit

Loving others as Christ Jesus does
Rejoins the love of God with the love of humanity and fulfills God's laws with love of Truth Justice and Peace so man's laws and justice are satisfied by God's which are greater

 

[theefaith]

Does a man have authority to change the commandments or perform miracles?

like Christ did?