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quietthinker

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Just pass the bucket back to me won't help you. Yours for the umpteenth time is the standard SDA reply. I wanted to see if you might be worthy a <representation .. straight and in context>. You proved yourself like every Adventist before you, UNWORTHY. But for the sake of TRUTH I herewith place here what that holy sister wrote.

For a start...
Ellen G. White in 'The Desire of Ages', chapter 8 in the 'version' I quote from, 'The Passion of Love', Remnant Publications 2004 ISBN 1-883012-18-X, 2004, pp 90ff, states:
“The face they (priests and rulers) look upon is not the face of mortal warrior; it is the face of the mightiest of the Lord’s hosts. … The soldiers see him come down to the earth … remove the stone … and hear _him_ cry, Son of God, come forth; thy Father calls Thee. They see Jesus come forth from the grave, and hear Him proclaim over the rent sepulchre, “I am the resurrection, and the life. … Christ came forth from the tomb … and the Roman guard beheld Him.”
Now besides the miriard falseties intertwined – and there are exponential numbers of them in the statements I have not here quoted, such as that His resurrection was seen and witnessed by the guard – what is declared here unmistakably – are the two main and basic LIES of Seventh-day Adventism. They are:
An ANGEL (a MORTAL being, by the way) called Jesus from the dead;
Christ was raised from the dead in the absence of the Father.
Ephesians 1:20, Hebrews 13:20, Philippians 2:9 Colossians 2:12 1Peter 1:21 Romans 1:4, 6:4, 4:24 8:11 et al --- WHO say they, raised Jesus from the grave and death?
To save us all the time, go read 'Desire of Ages' by E.G. White, the chapter, "The Lord is risen" --- WHO REMOVED THE STONE AND WHO 'CRIED' AND 'CALLED' CHRIST BEFORE THE EYES OF THE GUARD FROM DEATH AND GRAVE??!!
WHERE, was the Father? Where was the Father THEN? ...according to the Seventh-day Adventist Church and Mrs E.G. White ....
The keynote I heard from the pen of Mrs White myself, is tuned in on ‘Desire of Ages’, chapter, “The Lord is Risen”. That keynote is sounded this very Sabbath one hundred and 11 years after “1909” throughout the world by all delegates of the Seventh-day Adventist church; it is the keynote of antichrist, denying the Father his prerogative and Glory, and the Son his Divinity and propitiation.

Mrs E. G. White and the SDA church STOLE THE SABBATH DAY'S ONLY HONOUR --the honour of having been the day Jesus Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON, and changed the Times and Law of GOD, and bestowed that only honour ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, SUNDAY.

Do I commit defamation of character, and that to a person who cannot defend herself? I say, Mrs White is here to present her case herself. This is ‘Mrs White’ – here, between this cover. And she is granted every opportunity to speak in her own defence. Do you have anything to say, Mrs White?
Mrs White: I witness,
Jesus refused to receive the homage of His people until He had the assurance that His sacrifice was accepted by the Father. He ascended to the heavenly courts, and from God Himself heard the assurance that His atonement for the sins of men had been ample. ... While the Saviour was in God’s presence, receiving gifts for His Church, the disciples thought upon His empty tomb, and mourned and wept. The day that was a day of rejoicing to all heaven (Resurrection-day, Sunday) was to the disciples a day of uncertainty, confusion, and perplexity.” (98/3,4)
You reveal nothing but a muddled mind GE....I''m sorry for that!
 

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It matters not if it is science, mathematics, sport, religion and dare I say the Bible....yes even the Bible!

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This is not a SDA refutation thread. It is a SDA scholars refuting SDA thread.

The "Great Controversy” Shackles Adventist Theology

Since the 1911 edition over a 100 years ago, it has not been updated in any form. Thus, the book that historically had been the pace-setter for Adventist theology has become dormant, effectively freezing Adventist theology in its tracks. What this situation has fostered is a perpetuation, and in some instances codification, of many 19th and early 20th century EGW understandings of our world and our place in it which some believe should not be “disturbed.” Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, the book’s subject and viewpoints beg for engagement, both inside and outside the church. There are several issues arising from the GC that have defied, and continue to defy, settlement within the church, periodically erupting into open conflicts.

17 May 2018 - SPECTRUM - a Seventh Day Adventist publication

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
 

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I'm SDA, I don't believe everything I hear, I trust only the bible for truth. SDA's believe in Isaiah 5 where it describes a Vineyard that only produced wild grapes. They believe that the church will become corrupted in the last days and that they will persecute true believers. I also believe that denominations are like time capsules, these are defined by the past and have their beliefs etched in stone. Once you do that you cease to develop and react to changing conditions around you. The SDA is no exception. One promising development has been to declare that the bible alone is that church's source of inspiration, that happened some time ago. I hope that God will have his way in all denominations in the coming years as we edge ever closer to the end.
 

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2 JOHN CHAPTER 1 KJV

7 For many  deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ (God) is come in the flesh. ****This is a deceiver and an antichrist.*****
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth NOT in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. He that ABIDETH in the doctrine of CHRIST, he hath both the Father and the Son.
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1Cor.1:30 KJV
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto US wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

If ANY deny that Jesus is  GOD come in the flesh to reconcile man unto himself, how then can we FELLOWSHIP as the household of faith or body of Christ?

2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5

17 Therefore if any man be
IN CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, perhaps the best Adventist scholar, wrote:

The earliest documents mentioning Sunday worship go back to Barnabas in 135 and Justin Martyr in 150. Thus, it is evident that Sunday worship was already established by the middle of the second century. This means that to be historically accurate the term “centuries” should be changed to the singular “century.” This simple correction would enhance the credibility of The Great Controversy, because it is relatively easy to defend general Sabbath observance during the first century, but it is impossible to do it for the second century.Answering Seventh Day Adventism – Shameless Popery
Shows just how little the best Adventists scholars know and how nothing their insight and how slavish and beggarly their research. Because it is evident from Galatians 4:10 that Sunday worship was already established long before the first century in paganism. But more important, it is evident from the infamous Apology of Justin Martyr WRITTEN AS COUNTER REFORMATION <Sunday worship> APOLOGETICS IN THE 16TH CENTURY and since hidden away in the Vatican Archives as 'the third remaining manuscript'. This, the ONLY EVER, faked, manuscript, 'quoted' against the historic FACT of GENERAL CHRISTIAN <Sabbath observance> during at least the 1st to the 6th century AD, NEVER EXISTED. And no SDA ever questioned or researched its existence, and never would.

Had it not been for the start of the war against Russia by ROMAN CATHOLIC USA and THE COLLECTIVE WEST this secret would have remained forever, Adventism or no Adventism, <The Great Controversy> or no <The Great Controversy>.

This means that to be historically accurate the term “centuries” should be changed to the last “century".
 
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I trust only the bible for truth.
Amen! And:

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There are several issues arising from the GC that have defied, and continue to defy, settlement within the church, periodically erupting into open conflicts.
What are the issues?

Do you realize your Avatar image is a contradiction?

There is no Christian judaism. The two religions are diametrically opposed.
 

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What are the issues?

Do you realize your Avatar image is a contradiction?

There is no Christian judaism. The two religions are diametrically opposed.
Hi. One could mention that the particular symbol you speak of is more in line with the occult than Judaism, and yes, certainly not Christianity, but perhaps more in keeping with being appropriated into Catholicism, like so much other occult practises.
 

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Hi. One could mention that the particular symbol you speak of is more in line with the occult than Judaism, and yes, certainly not Christianity, but perhaps more in keeping with being appropriated into Catholicism, like so much other occult practises.
Yes, there is no star of David mentioned anywhere in the Bible. It is actually a jewish idolatry symbol, the star of the demon god moloch, or remphan, spoken of in Amos 5:26-27 and the early church deacon Stephen condemned the jews for it in Acts 7:43.
 

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This is not a SDA refutation thread. It is a SDA scholars refuting SDA thread.

The "Great Controversy” Shackles Adventist Theology

Since the 1911 edition over a 100 years ago, it has not been updated in any form. Thus, the book that historically had been the pace-setter for Adventist theology has become dormant, effectively freezing Adventist theology in its tracks. What this situation has fostered is a perpetuation, and in some instances codification, of many 19th and early 20th century EGW understandings of our world and our place in it which some believe should not be “disturbed.” Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, the book’s subject and viewpoints beg for engagement, both inside and outside the church. There are several issues arising from the GC that have defied, and continue to defy, settlement within the church, periodically erupting into open conflicts.

17 May 2018 - SPECTRUM - a Seventh Day Adventist publication
Well, the Catholic apostasy shackles all the denominations that follow its 'tradition'. Nowhere in the Bible does it teach a change from Sabbath to another day, there is no verse which changes the seventh day Sabbath to the first day of the week. The apostles say nothing of any change because of the resurrection, or from being given by divine light, or from the Holy Spirit inspiring them to set another day other than the Sabbath. Nothing is given, by any of the twelve or Paul that says that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. You can search every text in the scriptures and yet there is nothing there.

Now if you look into Catholic tradition or mans changes, suddenly it becomes clear. It was not changed by God, there was no words spoken by Christ making a changed, there was nothing written by the apostles or Paul declaring a change, it was done by tradition of someone else.

Here is the evidence:

"It is true that Protestants contradict their "Bible Only" theory by keeping the Sunday instead of Saturday, because nowhere in the Bible can a clear text be found to show that Christ changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. From tradition only, which Protestants claim to reject, can Sunday observance be justified. It is not true that the Catholic Church parades the world wide Christian custom as a sign of her power in religious matters, but she refers to it as an instance of Protestant inconsistency. Saturday was the Sabbath day and observed as such even by Christ."

(Source: Our Sunday Visitor, of Huntington Indiana, October 26, 1913, Bureau of Information, page 3.)

"If we would consult the Bible only, without Tradition, we ought, for instance, still to keep holy the Saturday with the Jews, instead of Sunday ..."

Source: Deharbe's Catechism, translated by Rev. John Fander, published by Schwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, 53 Park Place, New York, Sixth American Edition, Copyright 1912, 1919, 1924, page 81.

Why didn't God step in as apostasy crept into the early church, and stop it in its tracks, and keep the Roman Catholic church from leading them into a rejection of the Sabbath, and a change to Sunday worship.

Well God allows freewill, He could have stopped Adam, but then Satan would have been right that force was being used in having man follow God. The church fell into apostasy because they allowed false doctrines and tradition to sneak in, and so the true believers were forced to start again at the Protestant Reformation. But they didn't go all the way to clear out the apostasy that had crept in.

Sunday keeping is not declared or found in the Bible, it is from a tradition of man, in this case the Roman Church and the Papacy, and not of God. Some people may think Sunday is the Sabbath or has been transferred, or they claim for themselves that can choose whatever day or that every day is the day of worship except for the seventh, but nowhere in the scriptures is the Sabbath transferred to another day with God's blessing, and the Pope does not have the power to do so.

As the scripture clearly shows that the seventh day is the Sabbath, the question them becomes, must Christians keep the Sabbath day that God gave at Creation for all mankind? Must Christians keep any of the Commandments, if so then the Sabbath Commandment still applies. The Sabbath was made by the Creator, and sanctified and made holy, scripture tells us and from what Christ says that it was made for man, at Creation for mankind. This does not mean we are restricted or limited in our actions in showing our love for God and our fellowman to one day, but the Sabbath was made for man, as Christ said, which means it is to us a blessing a special gift for man. It is a special time set aside by God Himself from Creation, to meet with Him, and each other, in holy convocation and fellowship, and receive a blessing.
 
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This is the real dilemma. as Protestants have to choose, do we follow God or do we follow man. Its a hard choice but true followers of Christ should know....
 
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