Seventh-day Adventist

[Wrangler]

For your convienence @Titus, questions you have not answered.

But why wouldn't one enjoy one of God's greatest gifts to us?

Isn't the only kind of Christian a New Testament Christian?

Do you suppose nothing Jesus ever said applies to the world unless there is a prerequisite quantity of gentiles that meet your satisfaction? Prove it. Where is your evidence?

Aren't we all now son's of Abraham? Galatians 3:6-9

Good point. What day do Jews worship?

Titus, you are not listening. Instead you are repeating what I wrote but thinking it has meaning it does not. Your orientation is "dawn" begins the day. Not true in Jewish reckoning. In Jewish reckoning, sunset begins the day as Creation began in darkness AND THEN God said let there be light.

At least an acknowledgement of this Jewish fact would be nice.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about him being ressurrected at dawn either. See how that works?

All it says is that Mary saw him at dawn.

 

[Johann]

Hello Johann, what day of the week is preparation day?

Exodus 16:4-5

Clearly, God allows the people to gather manna on the first through sixth days of the week. However, on the sixth day He tells them to gather twice as much, as well as to prepare what they would eat on the seventh day. Historically, then, the day before a Sabbath (Friday) was a preparation day.

However-

But is the preparation day only for weekly Sabbaths? No! From the example of the holy days (see the notes at Exodus 12:15-18), a preparation day can fall on any day except Saturday! The Passover itself occurs the day before the first day of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath, making it a preparation day.

Also-

There has been much debate among theologians as to whether the Lord Jesus Christ was actually crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. Traditionally, of course, it is supposed to have taken place on Friday, but this writer has never been able to get very excited about such details.

My apologies @Titus-I did not receive a notification on the notification bell-something is very odd.

Is there a Scripture reference that you can give me-bearing in mind there is the Roman calendar and then the Jewish calendar?
Thank you brother.
Johann.

 

[Titus]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about him being ressurrected at dawn either. See how that works?

I never made this claim that Jesus ressurected at dawn.
You need help with critical thinking.

My point has always been that is all the scriptures reveal.

So it is not assuming that Jesus rose from the dead after dawn.
It is assuming He rose from the dead on Saturday at dusk.

The word makes it clear when Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb on Sunday. Jesus has risen.
Therefore it is not an assumption that Jesus had risen somewhere around dawn. The scriptures do not say exactly when. It just states He was risen when the two Mary's came to his tomb at dawn.
Dont put words in my mouth Wrangler.

Your claim exactly at dusk on the last day of the week cannot be substantiated with any Bible passages.

 

[Wrangler]

What day of the week is preparation day Wrangler?

It's a great question and could be its own thread. The short answer is that Preparation Day is astronomically determined, not chronologically determined. It's like asking what day of the week is Christmas Eve. Christmas is on the 25th of December but this falls on a different day of the week every year in our 7-year repeating calender.

Before I answer, you seem to not understand when a Jewish day begins. Preparation Day, like all days, begin at sunset. In the week in question:

• Wednesday @ Sunset: Preparation Day (Special Sabbath) - Jesus died ~ 3PM, a few hours before dusk
• Thursday @ Sunset: Passover (Special Sabbath)
• Friday @ Sunset: Beginning of Regular Sabbath
• Saturday @ Sunset: Beginning of Sunday, the 1st day of the week

 

[Titus]

Exodus 16:4-5

Clearly, God allows the people to gather manna on the first through sixth days of the week. However, on the sixth day He tells them to gather twice as much, as well as to prepare what they would eat on the seventh day. Historically, then, the day before a Sabbath (Friday) was a preparation day.

However-

But is the preparation day only for weekly Sabbaths? No! From the example of the holy days (see the notes at Exodus 12:15-18), a preparation day can fall on any day except Saturday! The Passover itself occurs the day before the first day of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath, making it a preparation day.

Also-

There has been much debate among theologians as to whether the Lord Jesus Christ was actually crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. Traditionally, of course, it is supposed to have taken place on Friday, but this writer has never been able to get very excited about such details.

My apologies @Titus-I did not receive a notification on the notification bell-something is very odd.

Is there a Scripture reference that you can give me-bearing in mind there is the Roman calendar and then the Jewish calendar?
Thank you brother.
Johann.

Thanks! Finally a answer to the subject matter being discussed.
Wrangler wants me to get off this subject and answer other questions of his.

Clearly, God allows the people to gather manna on the first through sixth days of the week. However, on the sixth day He tells them to gather twice as much, as well as to prepare what they would eat on the seventh day. Historically, then, the day before a Sabbath (Friday) was a preparation day.

However-

But is the preparation day only for weekly Sabbaths? No! From the example of the holy days (see the notes at Exodus 12:15-18), a preparation day can fall on any day except Saturday! The Passover itself occurs the day before the first day of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath, making it a preparation day.

The Bible makes it very simple which day the preparation day Jesus was crucified on.

Mark 15:42,
- Now when evening had come because it was the preparation day, that is the DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH.

That is really sad Theologians have to wonder what day of the week it was.
Maybe they don't believe Mark?

Is there a Scripture reference that you can give me-bearing in mind there is the Roman calendar and then the Jewish calendar?

Do I need to?
Here in America our days dont start at dusk.
Therefore anyone claiming the Jews first day of the week began at dusk on the last day of the week, need to give new testament commandments that we must follow the old testament Jewish calendar.

In the new testament God never gave any commandment that we must follow the Jews calendar
Therefore no one can bind it on Christians.

 

[Johann]

Exodus 16:4-5

Clearly, God allows the people to gather manna on the first through sixth days of the week. However, on the sixth day He tells them to gather twice as much, as well as to prepare what they would eat on the seventh day. Historically, then, the day before a Sabbath (Friday) was a preparation day.

However-

But is the preparation day only for weekly Sabbaths? No! From the example of the holy days (see the notes at Exodus 12:15-18), a preparation day can fall on any day except Saturday! The Passover itself occurs the day before the first day of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath, making it a preparation day.

Also-

There has been much debate among theologians as to whether the Lord Jesus Christ was actually crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. Traditionally, of course, it is supposed to have taken place on Friday, but this writer has never been able to get very excited about such details.

My apologies @Titus-I did not receive a notification on the notification bell-something is very odd.

Is there a Scripture reference that you can give me-bearing in mind there is the Roman calendar and then the Jewish calendar?
Thank you brother.
Johann.

Here is a time line:

14th of Nisan--Jesus was tried early morning and declared faultless by Pilate (Wednesday). He was hung on the Cross from 9:00 AM until 3:00 PM. Jesus dies the same time the Passover lambs are being slaughtered in the Temple. He is prepared for burial and placed in tomb just before sunset.

15th of Nisan--the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (which was a High Sabbath), Jesus is In the tomb. 1st night and 1st day (Thursday).

16th of Nisan--Jesus spends the 2nd night and 2nd day in the tomb (Friday).

17th of Nisan--Jesus spends the 3rd night and 3rd day in the tomb ( Saturday of the Jewish Sabbath).

18th of Nisan--Jesus is resurrected at the close of the Sabbath, beginning the first day of the week. This is the day of First Fruits. Jesus' body could not be found, the tomb was empty (Sunday).

The confusion about Jesus being crucified on Friday may come from:

The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31 NASB)
Remember that the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a special High Sabbath, and no work is to be done. We assume they had to get Jesus' body in the tomb before the weekly Sabbath, but it wasn't the weekly Sabbath, it was the High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread.

So, Passover occurs on the 14th; Unleavened Bread occurs on the 15th (and lasts till the 22nd); and "First fruits" occurs on the day after the weekly Sabbath ,or Sunday, the first day of the week. So First Fruits is ALWAYS on a SUNDAY. As to the significance of the Feast of First Fruits, as with the other feasts, there is no room for doubt or speculation; it represents Christ's resurrection:

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, (1 Corinthians 15:20-23 NASB)
On one particular morning, the Feast of First Fruits were being waved before the alter in the Temple, and that particular morning some women were heading to an empty tomb.

Note, this is the first fruits of the barley harvest. This is a reference to Jesus Christ and His resurrection. The first fruits were transferred to the Lord and an assurance of Divine blessing on the harvest.

Hope this is helpful.
Johann

 

[Johann]

Thanks! Finally a answer to the subject matter being discussed.
Wrangler wants me to get off this subject and answer other questions of his.

Here is a time line:

14th of Nisan--Jesus was tried early morning and declared faultless by Pilate (Wednesday). He was hung on the Cross from 9:00 AM until 3:00 PM. Jesus dies the same time the Passover lambs are being slaughtered in the Temple. He is prepared for burial and placed in tomb just before sunset.

15th of Nisan--the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (which was a High Sabbath), Jesus is In the tomb. 1st night and 1st day (Thursday).

16th of Nisan--Jesus spends the 2nd night and 2nd day in the tomb (Friday).

17th of Nisan--Jesus spends the 3rd night and 3rd day in the tomb ( Saturday of the Jewish Sabbath).

18th of Nisan--Jesus is resurrected at the close of the Sabbath, beginning the first day of the week. This is the day of First Fruits. Jesus' body could not be found, the tomb was empty (Sunday).

The confusion about Jesus being crucified on Friday may come from:

The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31 NASB)
Remember that the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a special High Sabbath, and no work is to be done. We assume they had to get Jesus' body in the tomb before the weekly Sabbath, but it wasn't the weekly Sabbath, it was the High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread.

So, Passover occurs on the 14th; Unleavened Bread occurs on the 15th (and lasts till the 22nd); and "First fruits" occurs on the day after the weekly Sabbath ,or Sunday, the first day of the week. So First Fruits is ALWAYS on a SUNDAY. As to the significance of the Feast of First Fruits, as with the other feasts, there is no room for doubt or speculation; it represents Christ's resurrection:

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, (1 Corinthians 15:20-23 NASB)
On one particular morning, the Feast of First Fruits were being waved before the alter in the Temple, and that particular morning some women were heading to an empty tomb.

Note, this is the first fruits of the barley harvest. This is a reference to Jesus Christ and His resurrection. The first fruits were transferred to the Lord and an assurance of Divine blessing on the harvest.

Hope this helps @Titus
Johann.

 

[Cassandra]

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gen2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made..3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Sabbath is not a "Jewish" law, but one that was made during Creation. If Christ made all things, He also made the Sabbath

Luke 4:16: ""He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day, he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read.

Acts 17:2 "As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures."

Paul didn't say squat about worshiping on Sunday. He went to the synagogue because it was his custom. He did write this, though Heb 4:4-6:

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7-8 "7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Jesus never said to commemorate His resurrection. He only asked us to commemorate his death.

Not that it has to do with anything (!) but it was always interesting that folk got busted for worshiping the sun in the OT, but now Sunday is the worship day

Eze 18:6 "And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east."
2Kings 23:11 "And he removed from the entrance to the house of the LORD the horses that the kings of Judah had dedicated to the sun. They were in the court near the chamber of an official named Nathan-melech. And Josiah burned up the chariots of the sun.

 

[Johann]

Other Hebrew words for the feasts are mikra (מקרא) and atsera (עצרה). Mikra is often translated as “holy convocation”, and it means to call people together. It is also one of the words we use in Hebrew for “Bible”, because it has to do with the word for reading as well as calling. The second word, often translated as “solemn assembly”, is the word to stop. Today in Israel you’ll see it on buses, showing where the next stop is. It has to do with stopping activity, or being restrained.

Leviticus 23 gives us a clear rundown of all of these feasts that God established and commanded the Israelites to keep. They all are extremely rich with prophetic meaning.

The first moed listed is the Shabbat. In Ezekiel 20:12 God says that the Shabbat is a sign between Him and His people, a holy day which serves as a reminder that He has set us aside to be a holy people. The pause each week reminds us that it’s God who created the world and the seven day week, and Jesus says that the Shabbat was created for our benefit. The rest from work helps us relate in a more healthy way to God, our families, our environment and ourselves. Hebrews chapter 4 also explains that it is a witness to the rest that Jesus would bring through His work at calvary. Now He has finished His work, and is seated at the right hand of the Father (Hebrews 10:12). Thanks to Yeshua, we can enter perfect rest with God with Him. The Shabbat testifies to what Jesus did when He paid for our sin, and also what we have to look forward to when He returns in glory.

Another interesting thing about the Shabbat is that God made seven days in the week. He could have chosen any number, but He chose seven. Many of the times and seasons mentioned in Genesis chapter one are obvious to both humans and animals alike – nature knows the difference between night and day, spring, summer, fall and winter… and even months going by as the moon changes shape. But the days of the week? Only human beings know which day of the week it is – no animal knows whether it’s Shabbat or not! The seven day week and the weekend was created by God for us. The whole world keeps to this pattern, this seven days of completion, and this is also significant, as we shall see.

THE SPRING FEASTS
Then the next set of feasts come in the Spring, and are all related to one another:

In Exodus 12, God instructs the Israelites to start the calendar in the first month, which is now known as Nisan in the Spring.

“This month will mark the beginning of months for you; it is to be the first month of the year for you. Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month, each man is to take a lamb for his family, one lamb for the household… Your lamb is to be without blemish, a year old male. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. You must watch over it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel is to slaughter it at twilight.”

“The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are. When I see the blood, I will pass over you.”

When we think of the events of the Passover and the Exodus from Egypt, it’s hard to think of a more perfect picture for what was to come in Jesus! An innocent lamb without flaws was sacrificed, and the blood smeared on wood vertically and horizontally so that people who believed would be saved from death. Hammering the point home, Jesus was tested and found innocent, then He was beaten and betrayed, before his sacrifice for us on the wooden cross at exactly the time Passover lambs were being checked and slaughtered. The picture is crystal clear.

“Get rid of the old hametz [leaven], so you may be a new batch, just as you are unleavened—for Messiah, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed.” (1 Corinthians 5:7)

Then the people, after being redeemed by blood, passed through water and went on a long, hard journey before they finally arrived in the Promised Land. Similarly, after receiving salvation through the blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world, we go through the waters of baptism and walk with God through hardships until we finally arrive in the place prepared for us.

After the night of Passover itself, we enter the Feast of Unleavened Bread which lasts for seven days. This is a picture of our lives as believers here on earth, choosing to turn our back on sin, with leaven (hametz) being symbolic of sin. The unleavened bread also points to Jesus – matzoh bread is striped and pierced, just as He was, and with no trace of leaven which represents sin and pride.

The 14th of Nisan, the night of the Passover, falls on different days of the week each year, but we are told that the Feast of Firstfruits must always be celebrated on the first SUNDAY after Passover (Leviticus 23:15). This feast is unique in that it fixes the day of the week – of course it points to resurrection Sunday, as a prophetic witness to the day when Jesus gained victory over death. It is also unusual because although there are other sacrifices mentioned, there is no sin offering required for the festival of Firstfruits. Jesus was the first to rise again from the dead, never to die again, but He will not be the last! At the end of time, we will all join Him and have glorious, new resurrection bodies. We will all be changed, in the twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:52).

Then from that Sunday, God commands that His people should count seven weeks to the Feast of Weeks, Shavuot in Hebrew, which means weeks (Leviticus 23:16). This festival is also known as Pentecost, with pente meaning 50, because it’s 50 days since the Feast of Firstfruits. Pentecost is the time when God poured out His Holy Spirit on the believers, giving them His power to live a new life in the Messiah and take the gospel all over the world. Shavuot testifies to the gathering and inclusion of the Gentiles into the New Covenant.

These Spring feasts are all connected and dependent on each other, and the basis and foundation is the blood of the lamb. All the other Spring Feasts depend on when the night of Passover falls. Unleavened bread follows the Passover seder, and Firstfruits falls on whichever Sunday comes next… and Shavuot is counted seven weeks from then. But it all hinges on that night of blood on the doorframes. Eating the unleavened bread of a repentant lifestyle is no use without the salvation of blood. The Passover and the redemption of blood must come first, and is followed by the equipping of the Spirit to help us walk out our new lives in Him.

So all these Spring Feasts have been fulfilled in many ways in the first coming of Jesus.

THE FALL FEASTS
Then there is a long gap before the next festivals in the fall. This gap between the Spring feasts and the fall feasts is not dependent on wherever Shavuot ended up, but rather starts on the first day of seventh month, which means the gap between them varies and is of uncertain length, year to year. This testifies of our experience of waiting, living in expectation of the trumpet call which will announce the return of King Jesus.

The Feast of Trumpets is called Yom Teruah in Hebrew, which means a loud noise, or blast of the horn, rather than trumpet exactly. We learn in Thessalonians that there will be a great trumpet sound to usher in the return of the Messiah. Although Jesus opened the door of redemption 2000 years ago, God has yet to ultimately redeem all things to Himself as He promised He would do in the Age to Come.

Ten days later, on the tenth day of the seventh month, we have Yom Kippur – the Day of Atonement. The number ten signifies God’s claim for perfect obedience (think of the 10 commandments). In this special day of national repentance and sacrifice, the claims of God are met and the conscience of the people is cleared. It’s a time of affliction and humbling, repentance and cleansing. In ancient Israel on Yom Kippur, the high priest entered in alone, but Jesus, our high priest, has made a way for us to be together with Him in the holy of holies. However, those who reject the forgiveness of Jesus will have to stand before the judgement seat with no cover of atonement. Yom Kippur points towards the Day of Judgement, the great and terrible day of the Lord.

Last of all we have the Feast of Tabernacles, or Sukkot as we call it in Hebrew. After hearing Ezra the priest read the instructions about how to celebrate Sukkot after they had returned from Babylon, the people of Israel joyfully went to fulfil the command to go and build booths! God instructed His people to build shelters, or sukkot as they’re called in Hebrew, to remind us of the forty years of journeying in the desert. A week spent in a flimsy shelters reminds us of the temporary nature of this life, and points to our eternal home in the world to come.

The wheat harvest and the grape harvest are both gathered before Sukkot. Jesus speaks of good crops of wheat being like fruitful believers, and also the Bible warns us of grapes trodden down in God’s wrath. The harvesting and the sorting happen before Sukkot which is like a big harvest festival. Unlike the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is seven days long, this holiday lasts for eight days, which symbolises going beyond completion into eternity, resurrection and a new beginning. There are seven days of the feast, with an eighth day (known as shmini atzeret) of joyful rest at the end!

“So on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruits of the land, you are to keep the Feast of Adonai for seven days. The first day is to be a Shabbat rest, and the eighth day will also be a Shabbat rest.”



This is how the calendar ends, with joyful union with God.

The Biblical Feasts of Israel All Point to Jesus - ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry

More than just food and merriment (though there's plenty of that) there is deep prophetic meaning woven into the tapestry of God's mandated feasts.

www.oneforisrael.org

 

[Titus]

Here is a time line:

14th of Nisan--Jesus was tried early morning and declared faultless by Pilate (Wednesday). He was hung on the Cross from 9:00 AM until 3:00 PM. Jesus dies the same time the Passover lambs are being slaughtered in the Temple. He is prepared for burial and placed in tomb just before sunset.

15th of Nisan--the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (which was a High Sabbath), Jesus is In the tomb. 1st night and 1st day (Thursday).

16th of Nisan--Jesus spends the 2nd night and 2nd day in the tomb (Friday).

17th of Nisan--Jesus spends the 3rd night and 3rd day in the tomb ( Saturday of the Jewish Sabbath).

18th of Nisan--Jesus is resurrected at the close of the Sabbath, beginning the first day of the week. This is the day of First Fruits. Jesus' body could not be found, the tomb was empty (Sunday).

The confusion about Jesus being crucified on Friday may come from:

The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31 NASB)
Remember that the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a special High Sabbath, and no work is to be done. We assume they had to get Jesus' body in the tomb before the weekly Sabbath, but it wasn't the weekly Sabbath, it was the High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread.

So, Passover occurs on the 14th; Unleavened Bread occurs on the 15th (and lasts till the 22nd); and "First fruits" occurs on the day after the weekly Sabbath ,or Sunday, the first day of the week. So First Fruits is ALWAYS on a SUNDAY. As to the significance of the Feast of First Fruits, as with the other feasts, there is no room for doubt or speculation; it represents Christ's resurrection:

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, (1 Corinthians 15:20-23 NASB)
On one particular morning, the Feast of First Fruits were being waved before the alter in the Temple, and that particular morning some women were heading to an empty tomb.

Note, this is the first fruits of the barley harvest. This is a reference to Jesus Christ and His resurrection. The first fruits were transferred to the Lord and an assurance of Divine blessing on the harvest.

Hope this helps @Titus
Johann.

This is supposition. None of the days you claim for crucifixion and ressurection can be substantiated with the Bible.

God made it crystal clear Jesus resurrected form the dead on the first day of the week.
Mark 16:9,
- Now when Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared to Mary Magdalene out of whom He cast seven demons.

Anyone who claims Jesus rose on the last day of the week is teaching a lie.

Now as I already said it is simple that preparation day had to be Friday for Jesus' resurrection was on the first day of the week!!!

Preparation day is Friday,
Mark 15:42,
- Now when evening had come because it was preparation day that is the day before the Sabbath.
This preparation day could only be Friday because of the fact that,

Jesus was resurrected on Sunday! The first day of the week! Mark 16:9.

Hope this helps @Titus
Johann.

It's not helpful at all.
You are confusing folks with something that is so simple.
You are spreading heresy.

 

[Johann]

This is supposition. None of the days you claim for crucifixion and ressurection can be substantiated with the Bible.

God made it crystal clear Jesus resurrected form the dead on the first day of the week.
Mark 16:9,
- Now when Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared to Mary Magdalene out of whom He cast seven demons.

Anyone who claims Jesus rose on the last day of the week is teaching a lie.

Now as I already said it is simple that preparation day had to be Friday for Jesus' resurrection was on the first day of the week!!!

Preparation day is Friday,
Mark 15:42,
- Now when evening had come because it was preparation day that is the day before the Sabbath.
This preparation day could only be Friday because of the fact that,

Jesus was resurrected on Sunday! The first day of the week! Mark 16:9.


It's not helpful at all.
You are confusing folks with something that is so simple.
You are spreading heresy.

No problem-keep up the good work in being facetious.
Johann.

 

[Titus]

of Nisan--Jesus is resurrected at the close of the Sabbath

That's not Bible teaching!!! That's false doctrine. Doctrine of demons.

Mark 16:9,
Now when Jesus ROSE early on the first day of the week

Rose, Risen, Resurrected

 

[Johann]

That's not Bible teaching!!! That's false doctrine. Doctrine of demons.

Mark 16:9,
Now when Jesus rose early on the first day of the week

Maybe a study on the feast day's would be helpful?
Twice now you called me a heretic and a liar-on ignore you go-I have no need for this.
Johann.

 

[Titus]

Maybe a study on the feast day's would be helpful?

I'm not the one who needs to study the Bible Sir.
You have been spending time with men's interpretation of the scriptures instead of just reading the scriptures.

Maybe a study of Mark 16:9? Just believe what the Bible plainly says and we will get along well.

now you called me a heretic and a liar-on

On this subject you are a hertic.
I don't think you are intentionally lying but the men who have decieve you are most certainly servants of satan.

 

[Johann]

On this subject you are a hertic.
I don't think you are intentionally lying but the men who have decieve you are most certainly servants of satan.

I'm going to give it one more go-

165. THE HOURS OF THE LORD'S LAST DAY.



The Diagram below shows the 24 hours of the "Preparation Day", i.e. the day before the Passover (Joh_19:14, &c.). The Four Gospels agree in stating that the Lord was laid in the Sepulcher on the Preparation Day , which was Nisan 14th, immediately before "the High Sabbath", Nisan 15th (Mat_27:62. Mar_15:42. Luk_23:54. Joh_19:31; Joh_19:42). Therefore He must have been crucified on Wednesday, 14th of Nisan

As shown above, the 14th of Nisan, which was the "Preparation Day", began at sunset on our Tuesday (Gentile reckoning). "The sixth hour" of Joh_19:14 is the sixth hour of the night, and therefore corresponds to midnight , at which, according to Gentile reckoning, Wednesday began.

The Roman numerals on the dial plate show the 24 hours of the complete Gentile day. And on either side of the dial are shown the Hebrew "hours" corresponding to the Gentile hours a.m. and p.m.

The twenty-four hours were divided into the twelve hours of the night (reckoned from sunset), and "twelve hours in the day " (reckoned from sunrise. See Joh_11:9). Hence "the sixth hour" of Joh_19:14 was our midnight; "the third hour" of Mar_15:25 was our 9 a.m.; "the sixth hour" of Mat_27:45; Mar_15:33; Luk_23:44; was our noon and the "ninth hour" of Mat_27:45; Mat_27:46; Mar_15:33:34; Luk_23:44; was our 3 p.m.

Incidentally-

As we saw in the introduction, Mark’s gospel really stops at Mar_16:8. We have only to read this passage to see how different it is from the rest of the gospel and it appears in none of the great manuscripts of the gospel. It is a later summary which replaces the ending which either Mark did not live to write or which at some time went astray.

Johann.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm not the one who needs to study the Bible Sir.

Yet, you are unable to answer ANY of the questions in post #182.

 

[Titus]

As we saw in the introduction, Mark’s gospel really stops at Mar_16:8. We have only to read this passage to see how different it is from the rest of the gospel and it appears in none of the great manuscripts of the gospel. It is a later summary which replaces the ending which either Mark did not live to write or which at some time went astray

Anyone who denies the latter verses of Mark 16:8 is not Inspired is proving they are in reality a Bible denier.
Johann, you believe God does not have the power to keep His word His promises.

It is a lie from men who hate the truth that have taught the latter part of Mark chapter 16 is not Gods word.

Fact is What Mark says in Mark 16:9 is repeated by other new testament writers.

Matthew says the same thing! I guess Matthew's writings should also should be removed from the Bible!
It really shows how much faith people put in the Bible.
There faith is in theologians i.e. MEN who are uninspired and cannot even agree with one another!

Matthew 28:1,
- Now after, after, after the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

After the Sabbath on the first day of the week which is our Sunday not Saturday.

Johann you have been misled to believe Christ rose the seventh day.
The Bible as I have already proved teaches Jesus rose on the first day.

More Biblical proof,

Luke 24:21,
- but we were hoping that it was Jesus who was going to redeem Israel
Indeed besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.

The context is the third day since the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Now Johann BELIEVE THE BIBLE FRIEND I BEG YOU!!!!

Look same chapter first verse,

Luke 24:1,
- Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb.

You catch on to what the Bible is showing you regarding the days of the week here?

Verse 21 says it's been three days since Jesus' crucifixion.
Verse 1 says it is the first day of the week.

Your smart Johann, put it together.

The Bible says three days ago from the present which in this context is the first day of the week.
What day does that make for Jesus' crucifixion?
What day does that make preparation day?
Answer: Friday just count back 3 days from the first day of the week, sunday.

The Bible plainly states Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose from the dead on the first day of the week!!!

Romans 3:2,
- Yea, let God be true, but every man a liar

 

[quietthinker]

How do you know? I dont make personal statements about others unless I can prove it to be true.
If you think my CAPITALE letters mean anger, you are mistaken.
I capitalize for only for expressing my point.

Where does the Bible teach anger is without the Spirit?
Not that I am angry. I just want to know how you equate anger with absence of Spirit?

Jesus got angry,
Ephesians 4:26,
- Be angry and do not sin, do not let the sun go down on your wrath.

What is 'spirit'? ....a disembodied entity? a vapoury wisp? an attitude, a life force (energy)?
One can weave a tangled web for oneself by equating the use of certain expressions with knowledge....... without understanding.

 

[Titus]

What is 'spirit'? ....a disembodied entity? a vapoury wisp? an attitude, a life force (energy)?
One can weave a tangled web for oneself by equating the use of certain expressions with knowledge....... without understanding.

Hello, You need to ask Wrangler. He told me I dont have the Spirit.

 

[ButterflyJones]

And I'm not a replacement theology teacher.
Putting false labels on me to discredit sound Bible teaching isn't proving your position.
You bind Sabbath keeping. If you dont like the label Sabbatarian fine. What do you call yourself?
I call myself a New Testament Christian because that is what I am.


Which men? Gentiles? Give scripture the Sabbath was for ALL.
You show Jesus teaching Sabbath keeping is for gentiles and then you have a point.
Until then, you are just abusing and misusing Mark 2:27.

Mark 2:27, Look at the audience ButterflyJones!!!!!! Jesus is speaking to the wicked Pharisees!
Your verse that you give as "proof" has NO GENTILES BEING SPOKEN TO!!!!

Read Mark 2:23-24 before you read Mark 2:27!

Context matters ButterflyJones! You are ignoring context.
Mark 2:23-24,
- Now it happened that Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.
- And the Pharisees said to Jesus Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?

Now just read down to your supposed "proof text"
The context has established Jesus is speaking to Jews! The wicked Pharisees.

Now read Mark 2:27-28,
- And Jesus said to them(Jews, Pharisees) The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath, therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.

Which men ButterflyJones? Wheres the gentiles in Mark 2:27-28? Answer: NONE PRESENT!!!
You ignore what Moses said in Deuteronomy chapter 5.

Deuteronomy 5:14,
- but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God, In it you(jews) shall do no work: you nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger WHO IS WITHIN YOUR GATES, that your male servant and female servant may rest as well as you.

Who has the Lord given the commandment to keep the Sabbath day? Answer JEWISH ISRAELITES!!!!
You ignore context ButterflyJones!

Now did you notice that the stranger among the Jews which means foreigner is also to observe the Sabbath?

Notice what is said specifically about a foreigner.

"Nor your stranger who is  within your gates....

You see the foreigner must be within the land of the Jews for them to observe the Sabbath?

Therefore the foreigner OUTSIDE the Jews land IS NOT BOUND TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

If gentiles are to observe the Sabbath in the old testament in Deuteronomy then why does God say specifically within your gates?

If Sabbath keeping was for ALL men God would not of made this distinction!!!!


Paul made it clear the old Mosaical law has ended, Romans 10:4,
- For Christ is the  end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes(faith).

Therefore you are making the claim we must keep the Sabbath not me.
Therefore you are the one who must give the burden of proof to your claim, not me.

So far you have given no evidence! Which is exactly what I knew you would not be able to accomplish.

Sunday is the day Jesus rose from the dead.
Last day of the week is the day the Jews kept the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was to remember the day of rest from Gods work of creation.
Exodus 20:11,
- for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth... and rested the seventh day

You do not know enough to know Sunday is the day the church in the new testament assembled together to worship God.
So you are wrong to use the Sabbath day, the day of rest as the day the church assembles together to worship God.

Acts 2:42,
- And they(church) continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine and in fellowship in the BREAKING OF BREAD(LORDS SUPPER) and in prayers.

Acts 20:7,
- Now on the first day of the week when the disciples CAME TOGETHER(ASSEMBLING, FELLOWSHIP) to BREAKBREAD(LORDS SUPPER) ....


The Last day of the week for the Jews was the Sabbath.
PAY ATTENTION BUTTERFLYJONES!!!! THEY COULD NOT ASSEMBLE. THE JEWS HAD TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES!!!!
Exodus 16:29,
- See for the Lord has given you(jews) the Sabbath therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days,
Let every man remain in his place; let NO MAN GO OUT OF HIS PLACE ON THE SEVENTH.

You are confused ButterflyJones.
Just listen to the Scriptures and you will not be confused any longer.

I'm not confused.

I'll leave you to your doctrine.