yeh, i get you. But imo you will want to be addressing No son of man may die for another's sins;
I think those things God said are being taken of context to mean something it doesn’t. God was responding to the saying of the Jews that “the fathers eat sour grapes and the children’s teeth are set on edge,” meaning that the children were suffering for the sins of the fathers. But God responded that it wasn’t true and He is not unfair, that each person bears their sins upon their own heads, He doesn’t judge and destroy the children for the sins of their father’s, or one man for another’s sins, but each person is judged by God according to his own deeds.
But in taking this to mean that a man cannot lay down his life for another, and therefore Jesus’ death could not atone for someone else’s sin, you are effectively undermining the very foundation of the Mosaic Law which is predicated on substitutionary or vicarious atonement, that is, that atonement for sin (absolutely necessary for reconciliation and fellowship with God), is only possible by the offering of the blood of a sacrifice (an innocent victim) made according to the commandments of the Law of which God provided three essential avenues: the Corban (Burnt- Sin- and Guilt-offerings), the Paschal Lamb, and the most essential element, the Day of Atonement sacrifices.
Without these annual, monthly, sabbath, and daily sin-offerings required by and made according to the Law there was no atonement for sin and therefore no reconciliation and fellowship with God.
So in taking these verses out of context to hold that the Law does not allow substitutionary sacrifice of an innocent victim to make atonement for the sins of the guilty is to subvert the very foundation of the Law, which at its very institution Moses took the blood of innocent animals and sprinkled the books of the Law and all the people and the tabernacle and all the vessels of ministry because without the sprinkling of blood there is no way to cleanse those who are guilty of sin.
Im not finding any "purged of sin" v, did you mean "cleansed?" Subtly diff meaning, maybe
Actually, the Greek word (Katharizo) translated in some instances as “purge” does in fact mean to cleanse or to purify. It’s interesting that this word is the root of our English word “cathartic/catharsis” which first entered the English as a medical term for “purging” the body of impurities but has also come to mean emotional or spiritual cleansing which is the way Paul used it in Hebrews 9:14 as a purging or cleansing of the conscience:
“For if the blood of bulls and of goats and the ashes of an heifer sprinkled on the unclean sanctifies to purify the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit, offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve a living God?”
This is one of my favorite verses because it explains that it is when we are sprinkled with the blood of Jesus that our conscience (moral consciousness, ethics, scruples, a sense of right and wrong) is cleansed so that we might serve God in spirit and in truth. This is what God meant when He said he would write His Law on our hearts, that He would purge our conscience so that we are sensitive and responsive to His voice and teaching and leading of His Spirit and the fruit of that path is a life that is holy not just in our outward behavior (in fulfillment of the Law), but holy in the sense of a clean heart and pure motives, which the Law could not and was never intended to address, which is why it was a temporary covenant sanctified by the blood of bulls and goats that only provided cleansing of the flesh, until the institution of the New Covenant, sanctified by the blood of Jesus which cleanses the heart and mind.
and after all the heart is deceitful, above all things so while i do get where youre coming from, imo it is easy to tell ourselves some pious things and believe them even, yet still be found a hypocrite? The Commandments are the commands, i think; heck, the law is even holy
satan appears as an angel of light, right, so it could maybe even be satan giving you "commands?"
Or i mean how would we know, iyo
Good point. We know because the Spirit and the Word both bear witness to the same Truth.
Even after a lifetime of walking with God, I still do not pretend to fully understand how He works all this out in us, but I do know that there are two essential elements to this path: Bible study and prayer.
I have learned that studying the Bible is like learning a new language, a heavenly language, a mysterious language that at first doesn’t seem to make much sense, just a collection of stories that don’t really have much to do with us or our lives or where we are or what we are dealing with, but then as we study and sow the words into our hearts and minds, and then go to God and prayerfully, with an open mind and a humble, teachable heart talk it all over with him, meditate on it, think about it, reason with God about it, even as we go about our daily routine, then God’s Spirit gradually begins to show us the point of all those stories, the lessons to be learned from them, what they mean in the greater scheme of things, and how those lessons apply to our own lives. He opens our eyes to see things we never even thought or imagined, and it changes the way we see everything, the way we see Him, the way we see ourselves, the world, our lives, others, events in our lives that we all deal with. And in the end, the fruit of all this is that it changes us, makes us better, more spiritually strong and mature, as Paul says, we're changed from glory to glory.
Even after a lifetime of walking with God, I still experience times when I wonder if my thoughts, my feelings, my attitude, are they from God? Or are they my own fleshly thoughts and desires speaking to me? But this is what literally brings me to my knees, keeps me coming back again and again to His Words and His Spirit and keeps me close to Him, keeps me humble, keeps me dependent upon and looking to and trusting in Him to not let me stray, to not let me walk in the deceitfulness of my own heart but to show me myself and correct me and cleanse me of anything that is of the flesh and not of Him, and even chastise me if necessary to keep me on the path that is always leading me upward, to a higher and better person than I was before. So it doesn’t stop, it doesn’t end, not in this life. We will never reach the end of the path, we will never
not need that precious crimson flow to continue to wash us and cleanse us and make us better and better until we reach the end of our journey.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer