Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

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Reggie Belafonte

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Reggie...look at how much of your post is political!
Christians are A-Political....not taking sides at all in any of it....let them fight it out amongst themselves as God is teaching the human race how pathetic human rulership really is.....the devil has no way to make the world a better place for anyone...they are too busy being concerned about their political situation and their national status...selfish to the last.....so that they cannot see that that their spirituality goes down the toilet when they do that.

Neutrality shows God that you support his Kingdom .....not man’s pathetic excuse for government....that can never bring about the peace and security that we all need and long for......it will never come about by man’s efforts.....only God can fix what we broke....our relationship with him.
Only a fool is ignorant of political matters in fact !

One wants to be informed and not just some dupe !

I worked out regarding all Denominations of claiming to be Christianity ? That This world is full of Deceptions and Delusions, is true !

Now in regards Political Partys that is as sure as Hell the case as well !

Spirituality is not worth a cracker in fact ! for their are clearly many spirits in fact !

Only the Holy Spirit is the way in fact, one is not to be lead by spirits in fact.

Neutrality is what Communist want from their cattle ! be carful for who you serve ?

One should be on the Ball at all times and not asleep at the wheel like you are peddling ! because you are Lost, is why you peddle such a intent for others to dismiss reality !

If I went into Business with an attitude like you peddle I would of been eaten alive, I knew their idiot tactics, yes but I still got stung by such sharks. but I came to understand such sharks a lot better than being ignorant or just a foolish ignorant dupe.
So I understand their workings better than they do !

That puts me in the possition to not be ignorant of such games played !
Just as I can see the games played in all Political ends, so much more clearly, than one who does not bother understanding the nature of such beast !

End of times dreamers are good for nothing ! for they creat the problems because they clearly lack Virtue !

The Saints be Praised ! did you know that ? not the sloths of this world, for they are clearly a Curse ! good for nothing ! remember the millstone story ! it would of been better to do what ? than ? it's true !

We can see that Trump is doing the right thing in fact, in taking on all of the Creeps of this world. That is Clearly the case is it not ? who could say it's not !

Do you want the Dictators like Islamic Iran to have their way with you all, not to mention treat women their way ! like making women just a possession ! yet you sit on your arse and let it all happen, same with Drug Barrons who treat all people with such total disregard, that's what your clearly supporting whether you know it or not !

Well I stand up to all such trash, because I do not stand by letting people I love be undermined, come hell or high water ! I will not let such just slide by ! If one needs help I will do my best to help them, this means helping them grow a back bone to defend themselves and others to have Virtue !
 
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Do you want the Dictators like Islamic Iran to have their way with you all, not to mention treat women their way !
I’ve asked in a separate thread if Christians are better off being ruled by Atheists and Satanists? This simple yes or no questions generates 12 paragraphs and many “words” in quotes. LOL
 

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I’ll leave you to your delusion @Wrangler
That’s how we are different. I don’t leave you to your delusions. :Ohz

Not wise to ignore the points in this thread.

You repeat this false maxim despite over 1,500 years of Christians being political AND using violence to achieve their political ends. From the Roman Empire to the establishment of the Holy Roman Empire and the many Christian nations around the world.

Then there are all the Scriptures supporting this historical record, such as constantly speaking in terms of nations and impacts at the national level, the command to Buy a Sword and to give Caesar what is Caesar's. Finally, there is the present and future actions of Christ using violence in establishing his, what, his political kingdom. God has supported and commanded wars in ancient times and modern times. Revelation 20 informs us Christ will do what for 1,000 years? Give tantalizing sermons and warn us repeatedly to remain apolitical? No, he will rule, meaning political rule.

Despite going over all this, you repeat what is demonstrably not true. Sad. Maybe JW are apolitical but that is not based on Christianity.
 

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Only a fool is ignorant of political matters in fact !
Who is ignorant Reggie? Seeing the big picture from Bible prophesy is what makes the difference…not fooled by what appears on the surface. There is way more going on than you can imagine…
One wants to be informed and not just some dupe !
I am more informed than you think, if you imagine that fighting in wars that God permits is the answer…Do you think God is asleep?….unaware of everything that goes on and seeing what we cannot? I trust him to know what he is doing….don’t you? If he told us to fight, we would….but he never did….our fight is spiritual, not carnal.
I worked out regarding all Denominations of claiming to be Christianity ? That This world is full of Deceptions and Delusions, is true !
More than most people realize.
Neutrality is what Communist want from their cattle ! be carful for who you serve ?
Neutrality is something a genuine Christian has no choice in…..we cannot take sides in any conflict where there are bad guys on both sides….”returning evil for evil” make you a bad guy too….it is disobedience to Christ’s teachings to make oneself “part of the world” and it’s wars. How much of the whole world is out of satan’s control? (1 John 5:19)
One should be on the Ball at all times and not asleep at the wheel like you are peddling ! because you are Lost, is why you peddle such a intent for others to dismiss reality !
The majority are “asleep at the wheel” if they think that their Christianity can involve deadly weapons.
We cannot have blood on our hands and hatred in our hearts…not even for an enemy. (Matt 5:43-44)
So I understand their workings better than they do !
I don’t really think you know as much as you think you do, otherwise you could obey Jesus and allow God’s will to be carried out….there is a much bigger picture than what appears on the surface. There is no reason to try and stop what God permits. Don’t you think he could, if he wanted to? Do you know why he doesn’t intervene in these conflicts? He doesn’t need humans to fight for him.
We can see that Trump is doing the right thing in fact, in taking on all of the Creeps of this world. That is Clearly the case is it not ? who could say it's not !
I think the “No Kings” protest is telling us otherwise….power corrupts humans and it’s not hard to see down through time how accurate that is. Those in power get a very exaggerated opinion of their own importance.
Do you want the Dictators like Islamic Iran to have their way with you all, not to mention treat women their way ! like making women just a possession ! yet you sit on your arse and let it all happen, same with Drug Barrons who treat all people with such total disregard, that's what your clearly supporting whether you know it or not !
I don’t want any of this world’s nonsense…but that does not give me leave to disobey the commands of Jesus Christ…..”fools rush in”….and then lament the consequences…too late.
Well I stand up to all such trash, because I do not stand by letting people I love be undermined, come hell or high water ! I will not let such just slide by ! If one needs help I will do my best to help them, this means helping them grow a back bone to defend themselves and others to have Virtue !
I stand up for Jesus….and we too help those who need help, but we do so peacefully….giving them food and shelter if they can flee the violence. They can count on their spiritual family to take them in….no shots fired…
That is what genuine Christianity looks like…
 
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Blatant cognitive dissonance. Bold proclamation in the face of millions of Christians over centuries in opposition. Hence, the reliance of putting ‘words’ in quotes.
They were not true Christians because they disobeyed the words of the one they claim as their Lord….
how do you serve the Prince of Peace with guns and missiles?

What did “thou shalt not kill” mean in God’s law? It means that you cannot take human life without God’s sanction….God has not sanctioned a war since the days when Israel were defending their God-given land.

Who today are defending a land given to them by God that does not have a foreign power overriding them.
How can the holy land be holy when the Jews are relying on foreign powers to support their bloodshed.?

If God was for Israel, no one could defeat them…..no man made weapons of mass destruction would be needed.
 

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Actually, in the NT and until present, those who believe on Christ are the children of Abraham. Those who reject Christ aren't Abraham's seed.

Galatians 3:26-29
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I totally agree Christ is the only way to the Father, however it's still the tree that gentiles are grafted into . There's only one people that Yah gave a covenant to
 

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I totally agree Christ is the only way to the Father, however it's still the tree that gentiles are grafted into . There's only one people that Yah gave a covenant to
How many covenants did God make with his people?
How binding are these covenants….and what are the conditions?
What is the new covenant, and with whom did God make it?
 

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That’s awesome! She writes a dozen paragraphs of rationalizations, filled with using words in “quotes” to mean a different language and you blow it all away with this simple statement.
JW's LOVE to smokescreen to avoid Bible!
 
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Who is ignorant Reggie?
You are ignorant, ignoring the facts of reality to push your ideology. For instance, you come up with these false proclamations of what Christians do and not do. You say Christians don't do violence or get involved in politics. Fact is, millions of Christians have done this for centuries. Before we delve too deeply into theology, the facts of history prove you're obviously wrong.

Then, you ignore the Bible, saying it's only OT - when I specifically quoted Jesus repeatedly. Here me well, you don't just ignore what Jesus said and did in the Bible. You ignore what he has done since Biblical times up to the present day in aiding those in battle. And you ignore the 1st and last thing he'll do according to Revelation, smite his enemies and raise the judged to violently burn them in the Lake of Fire. That's very ignorant, a lot of ignoring there AJ!

Having no where to run and nowhere to hide, you invent a new language but use "words" from English.

Here is another thing you ignore that I was thinking about last night; how "real" Christians in the Bible are armed. When you read the chapter in context, when Jesus told the disciples to sell your coat and buy a sword, they didn't do this because they knew he was off his rocker! They already were armed! They already had swords, 2 in fact.

Now, imagine these Christians, literally walking around with Jesus for 2 years coming to the conclusion it's best for them to be armed. Not only did Jesus not rebuke them, he explained how being armed is more important than being warm. And there is so much more you ignore, like coming up with this false proclamation that to love someone means not being their friend at at point and 1 John 5:19 NOT stating to have nothing to do with the world and how we are grafted into Israel (proving Replacement Theology false).
 
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You don’t seem to realise how soon after the death of Christ that the “apostasy” that he and his apostles foretold, would set in....please tell me what was holy about the pagan Roman Empire? Bloodshed and conquest is not a Christian trait.
The Bible says that Christ’s apostles were “acting as a restraint” against this falling away from the faith, way back in the first century...

The apostle Paul wrote.....2 Thess 2:1-12......
“However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you 2  not to be quickly shaken from your reason . . .
Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. . . . 6  And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. 7  True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. 8  Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9  But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10  and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11  That is why God lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12  in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.”


Once that restraint was gone, (with the death of the last apostle John, who was still to receive his Revelation) the apostasy took no time at all to take Christianity to the same place as the Jews had taken Israel’s worship....Jesus told them....

“You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: 8 This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9  It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”

Their apostate form of Christianity with its military bloodlust invalidated their worship too. How can you possibly think that God handed the world over to the devil, only to ask the peaceful disciples of his son to go to war? Read Isaiah 2:2-4...

In the final part of the days,
The mountain of the house of Jehovah
Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains
,
And it will be raised up above the hills,
And to it all the nations will stream.
3  And many peoples will go and say:

“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,
To the house of the God of Jacob.
He will instruct us about his ways,
And we will walk in his paths.”
For law will go out of Zion,
And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.
4  He will render judgment among the nations
And set matters straight respecting many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
And their spears into pruning shears.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,

Nor will they learn war anymore.”

As Isaiah had also told Israel when they engaged in unsanctioned bloodshed....
“And when you spread out your palms,
I hide my eyes from you.
Although you offer many prayers,
I am not listening;

Your hands are filled with blood.”

Do you think God condones unsanctioned war when innocent lives are wiped out in a flash with no regard for the sanctity of that life. There is no such thing as “collateral damage” to God. He alone has the first and last word on life and death. He gave the nations permission to rule themselves but not for the reasons you use to justify war.

Jesus’ words to his disciples were “do to others as you would have them do to you”.....which applied individually.......yet you seem to twist that to “kill others before they kill you”....nationally.
What the world under satan Does is none of our concern....what God permits, he does so for a reason....which seems to be totally lost on you.

God’s words to Noah upon exiting the ark, gave humans permission for the first time to eat flesh, but with the shedding of blood, came responsibility....and accountability.

“Besides that, I will demand an accounting for your lifeblood. I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother. 6  Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man.” (Gen 9:5-6)

If anyone sheds blood, they are accountable to God for it....both individually and nationally. But since we are to be “no part of the world”, that admonition only applies individually to Christians who are told to ‘love their enemies and to pray for them’. (Matt 5:43-44)
The nations will still account to God for their wanton bloodshed....so will you if you are part of it.
You asked a real good question right at the start . So allow me to answer what is holy about the RCC
The only holy about it is UN . as in UNHOLY . So whatever you do dont sit under it or its ecumeincal movement .
 

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I’ll leave you to your delusion @Wrangler ......Jesus will correct all of us, but it might just be a bit late to eat our own words.....who will that be I wonder?

Christians cannot be patriots.....we have no spiritual citizenship in the devil’s kingdoms.....we will not fight for the devil’s agenda, or give our lives for the devil’s puppets...we will not disobey the Christ to satisfy some kind of warmongering bloodlust.

Your choices are made...so are mine....they are opposing positions......Jesus will be the one to tell us who are loyal to him, unarmed and at peace with our enemies....not to our nation in combat gear with weapons of mass destruction.

Will the real Christians please stand up....
by grace some of us have been . Why do you think i been going a round for years
pleading for folks to return to the scriptures and let us teach ALL things JESUS and later
the apostels did . Let all embrace THAT pattern they left for us .
My advice to all still remains , Beware of the massive amounts of leaders who have and who are leading
this people astray . Soon all who are of the darkness will merge as one under what all will beleive to be GOD
HIS LOVE and His plan for world peace . ONLY it AINT GOD .
Our kingdom is heavenly and the sooner folks fly out from politics and anything attached to ecumencialism
the far be tter off they had been . ITS GONNA PEAK and the inclusive love WILL BECOME LAW .
When it do all that has not conformed will become labeled as haters of humanity and will be hunted .
 
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This is the worst tragedy of it all. :(

As you would probably think about Lord Jesus even, when He rebuked the Pharisees in John 8, saying God was not their father, but that instead the devil was their father.

Did you not know that long-range Russian Communist strategy for takeover of the free Western nations was to infiltrate the Churches, and push pacifist and disarmament doctrines? Ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen documented that in his 1958 book named The Naked Communist.

The lukewarm brethren need to wake up and understand there is a major spiritual war going on, and has been ever since Adam and Eve in God's Garden of Eden.
 

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As you would probably think about Lord Jesus even, when He rebuked the Pharisees in John 8, saying God was not their father, but that instead the devil was their father.

Did you not know that long-range Russian Communist strategy for takeover of the free Western nations was to infiltrate the Churches, and push pacifist and disarmament doctrines? Ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen documented that in his 1958 book named The Naked Communist.

The lukewarm brethren need to wake up and understand there is a major spiritual war going on, and has been ever since Adam and Eve in God's Garden of Eden.
Its all peaking now my friend . The plan of the elites whom the dark one used to create an empire fit for the beast
has long infiltrated not just churches , but false religoins , media and etc .
New agers spoke of this long ago as well .
Satan used them all to create an image of god that all religoins can beleive to BE GOD
by means of a love of the world . They call it ecumeincalism and i call it that which is of anti christ .
They dumbed everyone down too . And now more and more holler love and God is love
and KNOW neither GOD or HIS LOVE . To take over they needed to preach tolerance and slowly
break them down from within . Making ready a world and its religoins
for to serve what they THINK is GOD but in fact is an agenda OF a world govt . This people
literally has no idea what has and is occuring either .
 
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you see that face , that lady . Heed not a word one outta those lips
nor any in that nar realm , nor RCC nor scores of others .
Thems all ecumenical . They sold their own to the harlot for a high seat at that table .
But they always did love money so what did you expect .
 

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How many covenants did God make with his people?
How binding are these covenants….and what are the conditions?
What is the new covenant, and with whom did God make it?
All through the Jewish people AJ. Let me give you some NT Scripture for your consideration. John 4:22
Jesus: 21-24
Woman, I tell you that neither is so. Believe this: a new day is coming—in fact, it’s already here—when the importance will not be placed on the time and place of worship but on the truthful hearts of worshipers. You worship what you don’t know while we worship what we do know, for God’s salvation is coming through the Jews. The Father is spirit, and He is seeking followers whose worship is sourced in truth and deeply spiritual as well. Regardless of whether you are in Jerusalem or on this mountain, if you do not seek the Father, then you do not worship
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NOTE; Jesus did not say the Jews are discarded or the covenant with them is broken. He said salvation comes through the Jews. I’m sure you’ll use “quotes” to claim it means what it doesn’t say.