Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[dad]

Response to terror isn't terror.

Except when it is terror as we see it is today

You are wrong for calling Israel's response an act of terrorism.

You are wrong saying I am wrong

After what has been pointed out in this thread you are just being stubborn with anti-Israel bias.

After what has been pointed out here your justification of mass murder of civilians is not acceptable

Israel is defending their right to exist,

No they are blowing up apartment buildings attacking convoys and ambulances according to the news, as well as denying basic needs to a population.

they already receive more criticism for everything they do than any nation in history which has caused them to always be fair as possible and never to overreact,

Cry me a river. In this case their actions demand abhorrence.

so much to the point that they let their enemy's live and thrive until something like this happens,

So that is what you call keeping prisoners? 'Go ahead Gaza and thrive as we blow up your airport and guard your seacoast and restrict the crossings all of which keep you poor and unable to be free'

and when it finally does people like you blame it on Israel.

Bombing apartment blocks and convoys and killing children by the thousands does not just happen.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Israel has the right to take back their own land that God gave them that others have been occupying.

The people you call Israel are not the Israelites of the Bible. And the new promise land is not in Palestine.

1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

You are wrong on every level. Wrong people, wrong land.

 

[teamventure]

You’re just talking from a belief, you don’t seem to know anything about how all this started. You do know…

ILLEGAL TO TAKE LAND BY FORCE & CLAIM SOVEREIGNTY:
Laws Violated: U.N. Charter, Article 2(4) (1945); Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations..., Principle 1 (1970).
Israeli Actions: In violation of the UN Partition Plan, Israel took an extra 15% of the land in 1948, and then, following the 1967 war, Israel confiscated East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights.

I'm familiar with Israels history in taking back land in 48 and 67. That is their land given to them by God, actually a lot more land that expands from the boarders they currently have are theirs from God.

 

[dad]

You asserting that Israel is like or as bad as the terrorists is ludicrous.
Others have already pointed out why in this thread.

They are wrong. Israel has killed far more children and women and civilians than Hamas did. Forget 'as bad'

 

[teamventure]

The people you call Israel are not the Israelites of the Bible. And the new promise land is not in Palestine.

1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

You are wrong on every level. Wrong people, wrong land.

You are wrong.
Same people same land and more of it.
Prophecy coming true proves it.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Truth nightmare. Nightmare of truth.

When someone tells us who they are the first time,believe them.

The religious Jews in Israel, say they are not Israelites, they don’t believe in Christ.. You just want them to be, so you can feel like you’re doing some type of good by defending them.

 

[Truthnightmare]

You are wrong.
Same people same land and more of it.
Prophecy coming true proves it.

What prophecies, when did the Jews in Israel fulfill any of these prophecies?

1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.

7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.

8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.

9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.

10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.

11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.

12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.

13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.

14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2nd Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1st Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.

15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.

17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.

18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.

19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.

20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.

21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.

22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.

23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.

24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).

25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.

26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.

27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).

28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.

29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.

30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.

31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.

32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.

33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.

34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.

35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.

36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.

37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.

38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.

39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2nd Sam. 7:23; 1st Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.

40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16​

 

[Truthnightmare]

I'm familiar with Israels history in taking back land in 48 and 67. That is their land given to them by God, actually a lot more land that expands from the boarders they currently have are theirs from God.

Gen 32:9-12
9 And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, the LORD which saidst unto me, Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will deal well with thee................(Gen 32:12) And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV)

Well, there are only 13 million Jews on the Planet of over 6 billion people (less that one percent) so where is the multitude as the sand of the sea? Did God make a mistake, or lie to Abraham in the Covenant? Of course not!!! This is not possible, God cannot lie {Titus 1:2}!

You are unfamiliar with scripture.

Gen 13:16
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. (KJV)

Gen 17:4
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. (KJV)

Gen 28:14
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (KJV)

Gen 35:11
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; (KJV)

Gen 32:12
12 And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV)

 

[BlessedPeace]

Dad's justification of mass murder of civilians by Hamas is not acceptable.

Hamas is blowing up apartment buildings attacking convoys and ambulances according to the news, as well as denying basic needs to an Israeli population.

Aleppo airport was rightly targeted by Israel because the airport is used by Iranian aircraft delivering high-ranking officials and advanced weaponry to its proxies in the region.

Terrorist sympathizers back the wrong horse. No Christian supports Arab terrorists who want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

But they can join anti-Israel activists acting out across America.


Ready yourselves sisters and brothers in Christ. Hamas supporters will start to bring the war here more so than they already have.

Now more reports are showing up about gunmen opening fire. Likely the media omits their being Hamas supporters for obvious reasons.


Hamas slaughters babies,women,tortures prisoners,beheads babies. I hope Israel wipes them off the face of the earth.

Those fho whine about Gaza s don't know who they're actually talking about there.

Yet the more they show they hate Israel the more we learn about who they are not.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Dad's justification of mass murder of civilians by Hamas is not acceptable.

Hamas is blowing up apartment buildings attacking convoys and ambulances according to the news, as well as denying basic needs to an Israeli population.

Aleppo airport was rightly targeted by Israel because the airport is used by Iranian aircraft delivering high-ranking officials and advanced weaponry to its proxies in the region.

Terrorist sympathizers back the wrong horse. No Christian supports Arab terrorists who want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

But they can join anti-Israel activists acting out across America.


Ready yourselves sisters and brothers in Christ. Hamas supporters will start to bring the war here more so than they already have.

Now more reports are showing up about gunmen opening fire. Likely the media omits their being Hamas supporters for obvious reasons.


Hamas slaughters babies,women,tortures prisoners,beheads babies. I hope Israel wipes them off the face of the earth.

Those fho whine about Gaza s don't know who they're actually talking about there.

Yet the more they show they hate Israel the more we learn about who they are not.

Do you also support the Jews who yelled Crucify Him? You’re another person whom believes anyone living in Israel and calls themselves a Jew is a descendant of Jacob… What’s wrong with you people? The Jews said they are not of Jacob, they don’t believe in a written law, and they don’t believe in Christ.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

So when Israel killed babies in the Bible was that trolling also?

Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

I agree with you here.

The God of the old testament required the death of many to fulfill his promise to the Israelites. Is He is not the same God today. We do not know his complete plans.

Just prior to my being born we had WW2, and I questioned later in life, how Hitler, his co-horts and other nations could lay blame for all their ills at the feet of the Jews.

Today and throughout the ages ppl have used religious beliefs to annihilate their own countrymen and others in the many names of politics, racial purity, economy ect......

We are to pray for all men everywhere that they may be saved regardless their race, culture or religion.

We are in the end time days. Matthew 24. The atrocities of men against humanity will only get worse.

Matthew 24:9 KJV: Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.”

We are to trust in him whom we follow to help us overcome.

Matthew 10
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.​

 

[Truthnightmare]

I agree with you here.

The God of the old testament required the death of many to fulfill his promise to the Israelites. Is He is not the same God today. We do not know his complete plans.

Just prior to my being born we had WW2, and I questioned later in life, how Hitler, his co-horts and other nations could lay blame for all their ills at the feet of the Jews.

Today and throughout the ages ppl have used religious beliefs to annihilate their own countrymen and others in the many names of politics, racial purity, economy ect......

We are to pray for all men everywhere that they may be saved regardless their race, culture or religion.

We are in the end time days. Matthew 24. The atrocities of men against humanity will only get worse.

Matthew 24:9 KJV: Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.”

We are to trust in him whom we follow to help us overcome.

Matthew 10
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.​

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.​

I agree with your sentiment… Hitler was a mad man. But we must be honest in our assessment.
Germany took the Jews in when they were expelled from Russia. The Jews did very well in Germany. Became head bankers, controlled media and the news papers, and had influence in the world.. It wasn’t until after the war at the council of nations that Germany turned on the Jews.. The Germans found out the Jews double crossed them. The Jews made a deal to bring the USA in the war in exchange for a state in Palestine.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Keep in my mind Hamas has ruled the Gaza strip since 2007.

2021:

Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas

JERUSALEM (AP) — A new poll released Tuesday finds a dramatic surge in Palestinian support for Hamas following last month's Gaza war, with around three quarters viewing the Islamic militants as victors in a battle against Israel to defend Jerusalem and its holy sites.

apnews.com

2022: https://www.npr.org/2022/08/26/1119220569/palestinians-gaza-hamas-islamic-jihad-israel

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I agree with your sentiment… Hitler was a mad man. But we must be honest in our assessment.
Germany took the Jews in when they were expelled from Russia. The Jews did very well in Germany. Became head bankers, controlled media and the news papers, and had influence in the world.. It wasn’t until after the war at the council of nations that Germany turned on tje Jews.. The Germans found out the Jews double crossed them. The Jews made a deal to bring the USA in the war in exchange for a state in Palestine.

I do not know the intricacies of the conspiracies of WW2, for truth!

I do know by God's word, the House of Judah is the bloodline of the children of Abraham which has brought forth our salvation.

I agree not all Jews are the wife, divorced by God, nor will that country be the fulfillment of the promise.
It has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus!

 

[Truthnightmare]

I do not know the intricacies of the conspiracies of WW2, for truth!

I do know by God's word, the House of Judah is the bloodline of the children of Abraham which has brought forth our salvation.

I agree not all Jews are the wife, divorced by God, nor will that country be the fulfillment of the promise.
It has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus!

It’s hard to say conspiracies when the deal is in writing. God didn’t divorce Judah, He divorced Israel. But Im thinking about what you said “we don’t understand the full plan” so true.

 

[Jack]

The problem is the people who you are calling biblical Israel, say they are not.

Why do you choose to believe liars? Why do you hate Israel???

Why should anyone believe you over the words of the very people we are talking about?

You don't even know who you're talking about.

 

[Jack]

One hopes men would be better than terrorists. That is why Jesus died for us, so we would be. Israel does not have His help or love in them. So we see what we see

Jesus didn't die for you to curse Israel.

 

[Jack]

Knowing Israel is not a country that believes in God has zero to do with muslims or democrats. Try to focus

ONLY God knows that! Your clearly sided with Muslims and Dems!

 

[Truthnightmare]

Why do you choose to believe liars? Why do you hate Israel???

You don't even know who you're talking about.

So your calling Rabbi Ben a liar!
Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser wrote in "Judaism and the Christian Predicament" (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967) p. 59:

"This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. Judaism is not the religion of the Bible."​

So your calling Rabbi Moshe M. Maggal
you will notice the great difference between the Jewish and Christian religions. But these are not all. We consider the two religions so different that one excludes the other. ...we emphasized that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. There is not any similarity between the two concepts." [Rabbi Maggal (President, National Jewish Information Service) letter, 21 August 1961.]

Your calling the freakin Jewish Almanac a lie.
Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." - 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3

You have a problem, a complex, you’re the type of guy that when people say no you will attempt to force yourself upon them.. sick

 

[Wrangler]

Hamas beheads babies and children. He still blames Israel. It's called Trolling. Add to that Antisemitism and it's called abomination.

You're right. He is a troll.

I wonder what % of all his posts are in this thread.

I'm out. Go Israel!