Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[ProDeo]

I'm a logical dispassionate person by nature.

You said to amigo --> I do weep for you

 

[Episkopos]

You said to amigo --> I do weep for you

Yes. I HATE the idea of believers being lost to something they have no idea they are about to face. It is a fearful thing to face the living God as a perpetrator of iniquity.

 

[shepherdsword]

If we will be judged by our works....
then works are the result of our salvation.

I hope we agree that belief in God must come first.

FAITH in God yes

Could you explain the above better?
You speak of faith and works.

James teaches that faith without works is dead. Hence the only real validation for the authenticity of our faith is works. Faith as source, works as result.

At the time that the NT was written the Greek language was chosen.
In the Greek language there are two words that cannot be separated...but not the ones you have chosen.

The two words are BELIEVE and OBEDIENCE.

Faith is believing and obedience is working. 6 one way, half a dozen the other.

They are one thought and the mind of those writing the NT would not separate the two.
It is not that believing causes obedience...
believing IS obedience.
Not like this: believe = obey
but like this: believe obey

If belief is all we need then the devils are saved too:
Jas 2:19-20
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

If we believe we will obey.
If we obey we believe...it is one thought, not two combined.

Here is an example:
Hebrews 3:18-19
18And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient?
19So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.


Thought you might be interested re your post.

What do you think about James 2:19-20?

Holy just means to be set aside for service to God.
Righteous just means to be right with God.

God is Holy, does this mean He is set aside for service for himself? I suspect the meaning is much more than that.
God is righteous...does this mean He is right with Himself? We need to dig a little deeper to get the complete meaning.

 

[marks]

God is Holy, does this mean He is set aside for service for himself? I suspect the meaning is much more than that.
God is righteous...does this mean He is right with Himself? We need to dig a little deeper to get the complete meaning.

God is ALWAYS true to Himself. This is the beauty of His holiness. Holiness is set apart for God. God remains always and completely set apart for Himself, always true to Who He Is.

For us to be holy, this means God has set us apart for Himself.

God is righteous, meaning, everything He does and is is right.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Ephesians 4:24-25 KJV
24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25) Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Righteous is doing what is right, speaking truth. Holiness is being what God intends for us, living as members one of another.

Walking in holiness - set apart as His family - leads us to righteousness - being honest with each other.

Much love!

 

[ProDeo]

Yes. I HATE the idea of believers being lost to something they have no idea they are about to face. It is a fearful thing to face the living God as a perpetrator of iniquity.

Post #641 was for insiders, you don't understand, not able, sadly.

Gen 6:6 And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.

Luke 19:41 And when he drew near and saw the city, he [Jesus] wept over it,

Matt 9:36 When he [Jesus] saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

Jonah 3:10 When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.

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We are equipped with emotions because He has emotions, emotions are a part of being created in His image.

 

[Episkopos]

Post #641 was for insiders, you don't understand, not able, sadly.

Gen 6:6 And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.

Luke 19:41 And when he drew near and saw the city, he [Jesus] wept over it,

Matt 9:36 When he [Jesus] saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

Jonah 3:10 When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.

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We are equipped with emotions because He has emotions, emotions are a part of being created in His image.

We are not to judge by emotions. That's what caused men to fall. They disobeyed because it didn't seem right to not partake of the forbidden fruit.

 

[GodsGrace]

FAITH in God yes

James teaches that faith without works is dead. Hence the only real validation for the authenticity of our faith is works. Faith as source, works as result.

Faith is believing and obedience is working. 6 one way, half a dozen the other.

If belief is all we need then the devils are saved too:
Jas 2:19-20
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Did I state that faith is all we need?

James 2:19-20
FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.

That's what it means.
It means what James said.

God is Holy, does this mean He is set aside for service for himself? I suspect the meaning is much more than that.
God is righteous...does this mean He is right with Himself? We need to dig a little deeper to get the complete meaning.

Perhaps you would like to explain better what holy means and what righteous means?
Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

I hope we agree that belief in God must come first.
IT must . And WHO did GOD testify on my dear friend .
THE HOLY SON .
Who also told the unbelieving jews , YE have NOT the love of GOD in you .
For HE whom GOD did send you believe him not .
THERE IS NO SUCH THING as having FAITH IN GOD when one does not BELIEVE GOD .
And had one believed GOD , YOU BEDDA Believe they had BELIEVED JESUS .
You wanna know what i see in this ever g rowing inclusive generation .
THEY have a problem with the WORD BELIEVE , when words follow that .
AS IN BELIEVE IN JESUS . oh but they do . EPI is not the first
to call me religious extremists , OR words to that effect
for even reminding us christians that the other religoins are false . AND they must repent and believe on JESUS .
ITS G ROWING my friend. The gospel , the one true gospel was changed . changed to accept A LIE .
And that just made it A FALSE GOSPEL from the pits of the da rkness .
In fact t hey now chant BELIEVE IN LOVE , and yet their love has made the path to GOD very darn broad.
Used to be the churches preached BELIEVE YE ON JESUS .
Now they preach inclusivism . maybe do some good works , and imply it dont ma tter
what religoin one followed . Someone been real busy lying to this generation .
And worse a wh ole lot of someones w ho are in christendom are buying it .
NOT ME . I will DIE first . THERE WILL bE NO other name i preach bUT CHRIST JESUS
with the REMINDER YE MUST BELEIVE and to observe all things HE did teach .
The foundation is NOT JESUS CHRIST , the apostles and then all the false religoins .
SORRY but that is a false FOUNDATION .
THE FOUNDATION IS JESUS ONLY and the twelve are the original ones first in that foundation .
And the gospel must be preached and by faith IN JESUS is how each stone is added into the temple .
That temple WILL NOT have muslims , buddisets , atheists or any other false religoin in it .
NO WHITE GARMENTS , NO ACCESS IN . And there is only ONE way to have such white garments .
FAITH IN THE HOLY SON , THE HOLY CHRIST OF GOD , CHRIST JESUS . all else be in darkness
and the only way out of the darkness
FAITH IN JESUS . as paul told king aggripa what JESUS himself had told paul in acts chapter twenty and six .
THERE WILL BE NO other name i offer up . FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME under heaven
given whereby one may be saved .
And what must i do sirs to be saved . BELIEVE ,
oh dear there is that believe word again , BELEIVE YE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .

I think we agree on everything.

 

[ProDeo]

We are not to judge by emotions. That's what caused men to fall. They disobeyed because it didn't seem right to not partake of the forbidden fruit.

They rebelled, they insisted like God to know the difference between good and evil. And the Lord gave them what they desired, hence we are here. And so we learn and regret.

Emotions had nothing to do with the rebellion.

By emotions you can feel your happiness, by emotions you can feel your pain. By emotions you can share happiness with each other, by emotions you can feel the pain of others.