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Sinless Perfectionism

In this article, we will be discussing the heresy of sinless perfectionism. It is impossible to be sinless at any time on our Christian walk of faith. Who could claim to be perfect when we look at what God calls perfection? We are trapped in unreedemed flesh and when we compare ourselves to the perfect Christ we fall flat on our face.


Sinless Perfectionism Is Heresy: 7 Biblical Reasons Why

When we look to the holiness of God and what is required of us we are without hope. However, thank God that hope does not come from us. Our hope is in Christ alone.

Jesus taught us to confess our sins daily.
Matthew 6:9-12 “Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. ‘Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. ‘Give us this day our daily bread. ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.”

When we say that we have no sin we make God a liar.

1 John is a chapter written clearly for believers. When we read 1 John in context, we see that one of the aspects of walking in the light is confessing our sin. When I hear people say that they don’t remember the last time that they sinned and that they are currently living perfectly, that is a lie. We deceive ourselves when we make such claims. Confessing your sins is one of the evidences that you are saved. You can never hide sin in His light.

A person with a genuine relationship with their father is going to confess their faults. The Holy Spirit is going to convict us of sin and if He’s not, that is evidence of false conversion. If God is not treating you as His child, then that is evidence that you are not His. Having unconfessed sin blocks God from listening to you. It’s dangerous to claim to be without sin.

Psalm 19:12 teaches us to confess even our unknown sins. One second of an impure ungodly thought is sin. Worry in sin. Not working 100% fully for the Lord at your job is sin. Sin is missing the mark. No one can do what is required. I know I can’t! I fall short daily, but I don’t live in condemnation. I look to Christ and it gives me joy. All I have is Jesus. I’m trusting in His perfection on my behalf. Our sinfulness makes Christ blood on the cross so much more meaningful and precious.

1 John 1:7-10 “but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”

Psalm 66:18 “If I had not confessed the sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened.”

We are not perfect
The Bible says to “be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” If there is any truth in you, then you are going to admit that you and I are not perfect. “Many are going to say, “why would God command us to do something that we can’t do?” It’s simple, God is the standard and not man. When you start with man you have problems but when you start with God, then you begin to see how holy He is and how desperately you need a Savior.

Everything in this life belongs to Him. Not one single drop of imperfection shall enter into His presence. All we have is the perfection of Christ. Even as a believer I’ve never been perfect. Am I a new creation? Yes! Do I have new desires for Christ and His Word? Yes! Do I hate sin? Yes! Do I strive for perfection? Yes! Am I living in sin? No, but daily I fall so short just like all believers do.

I can be selfish, I don’t do all things for God’s glory, I don’t pray without ceasing, I get distracted in worship, I’ve never loved God with absolutely everything in me, I worry sometimes, I can be covetous in my mind. Just today I accidentally ran a stop sign. This is a sin because I wasn’t obeying the law. There is always going to be something to confess in prayer. Do you not understand the holiness of God? I don’t believe sinless perfectionists do.

Romans 3:10-12 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

Psalm 143:2 “Do not bring your servant into judgment, for no one living is righteous before you.”

Ecclesiastes 7:20 “Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.”

Proverbs 20:9 “Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin?”

Psalm 51:5 “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

Godly Christians know their sinfulness.

The godliest men in Scripture all had one thing in common. They knew their great need for a Savior. Paul and Peter were close to the light of Christ and when you get closer to the light of Christ you see more sin. Many believers are not getting closer to the light of Christ so they are not seeing their own sinfulness. Paul called himself a “chief of sinners.” He didn’t say I was a chief of sinners. He emphasized his sinfulness because he understood his sinfulness in the light of Christ.

1 Timothy 1:15 “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”

Luke 5:8 “When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”

Romans 7 destroys sinless perfectionism.
In Romans 7 we notice Paul talking about his struggles as a believer. Many people are going to say, “he was talking about his past life,” but that is wrong. Here is why it’s wrong. The Bible says unbelievers are a slave to sin, dead in sin, blinded by Satan, they can’t understand the things of God, they are haters of God, they don’t seek God, etc.

If Paul is talking about his past life why does he desire to do what is good? Verse 19 says, “For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.” Unbelievers don’t desire to do good. They don’t seek after the things of God. In verse 22 he says, “For I delight in the law of God.” Unbelievers don’t delight in God’s law. In fact, when we read Psalm 1:2; Psalm 119:47; and Psalm 119:16 we see that only believers are delighting in God’s law.

In verse 25 Paul reveals the answer to his struggles. “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Christ is how we achieve victory over all sin. In verse 25 Paul then goes on to say, “I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.” This shows that he was referring to his current life.

Nonbelievers do not struggle with sin. Only believers battle with sin. 1 Peter 4:12 “Don’t be surprised at the fiery trials you are going through.” As believers although we are a new creation there is a battle against the flesh. We are trapped in our humanness and now the Spirit is waging war against the flesh.

Romans 7:15-25 “For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.”

Galatians 5:16-17 “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.”

Sinless perfectionism denies sanctification.

Entire sanctification or Christian perfectionism is a damnable heresy. Once someone is justified by faith in Christ, then comes the sanctification process. God is going to conform the believer into the image of His Son. God is going to work in that believer’s life until death.

If sinless perfectionism is true, then there is no reason for God to work in us and it contradicts various Scriptures. Even Paul addressed believers as carnal Christians. I am not saying a believer will remain carnal, which is not true. A believer will grow, but the fact that he calls believers carnal Christians destroys this false doctrine.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3 “But I, (brothers), could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, 3 for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way?”

2 Peter 3:18 “But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.”
 
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Sinless Perfectionism

In this article, we will be discussing the heresy of sinless perfectionism. It is impossible to be sinless at any time on our Christian walk of faith. Who could claim to be perfect when we look at what God calls perfection? We are trapped in unreedemed flesh and when we compare ourselves to the perfect Christ we fall flat on our face.


Sinless Perfectionism Is Heresy: 7 Biblical Reasons Why

When we look to the holiness of God and what is required of us we are without hope. However, thank God that hope does not come from us. Our hope is in Christ alone.

Jesus taught us to confess our sins daily.
Matthew 6:9-12 “Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. ‘Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. ‘Give us this day our daily bread. ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.”

When we say that we have no sin we make God a liar.

1 John is a chapter written clearly for believers. When we read 1 John in context, we see that one of the aspects of walking in the light is confessing our sin. When I hear people say that they don’t remember the last time that they sinned and that they are currently living perfectly, that is a lie. We deceive ourselves when we make such claims. Confessing your sins is one of the evidences that you are saved. You can never hide sin in His light.

A person with a genuine relationship with their father is going to confess their faults. The Holy Spirit is going to convict us of sin and if He’s not, that is evidence of false conversion. If God is not treating you as His child, then that is evidence that you are not His. Having unconfessed sin blocks God from listening to you. It’s dangerous to claim to be without sin.

Psalm 19:12 teaches us to confess even our unknown sins. One second of an impure ungodly thought is sin. Worry in sin. Not working 100% fully for the Lord at your job is sin. Sin is missing the mark. No one can do what is required. I know I can’t! I fall short daily, but I don’t live in condemnation. I look to Christ and it gives me joy. All I have is Jesus. I’m trusting in His perfection on my behalf. Our sinfulness makes Christ blood on the cross so much more meaningful and precious.

1 John 1:7-10 “but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”

Psalm 66:18 “If I had not confessed the sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened.”

We are not perfect
The Bible says to “be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” If there is any truth in you, then you are going to admit that you and I are not perfect. “Many are going to say, “why would God command us to do something that we can’t do?” It’s simple, God is the standard and not man. When you start with man you have problems but when you start with God, then you begin to see how holy He is and how desperately you need a Savior.

Everything in this life belongs to Him. Not one single drop of imperfection shall enter into His presence. All we have is the perfection of Christ. Even as a believer I’ve never been perfect. Am I a new creation? Yes! Do I have new desires for Christ and His Word? Yes! Do I hate sin? Yes! Do I strive for perfection? Yes! Am I living in sin? No, but daily I fall so short just like all believers do.

I can be selfish, I don’t do all things for God’s glory, I don’t pray without ceasing, I get distracted in worship, I’ve never loved God with absolutely everything in me, I worry sometimes, I can be covetous in my mind. Just today I accidentally ran a stop sign. This is a sin because I wasn’t obeying the law. There is always going to be something to confess in prayer. Do you not understand the holiness of God? I don’t believe sinless perfectionists do.

Romans 3:10-12 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”

Psalm 143:2 “Do not bring your servant into judgment, for no one living is righteous before you.”

Ecclesiastes 7:20 “Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.”

Proverbs 20:9 “Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin?”

Psalm 51:5 “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

Godly Christians know their sinfulness.

The godliest men in Scripture all had one thing in common. They knew their great need for a Savior. Paul and Peter were close to the light of Christ and when you get closer to the light of Christ you see more sin. Many believers are not getting closer to the light of Christ so they are not seeing their own sinfulness. Paul called himself a “chief of sinners.” He didn’t say I was a chief of sinners. He emphasized his sinfulness because he understood his sinfulness in the light of Christ.

1 Timothy 1:15 “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”

Luke 5:8 “When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”

Romans 7 destroys sinless perfectionism.
In Romans 7 we notice Paul talking about his struggles as a believer. Many people are going to say, “he was talking about his past life,” but that is wrong. Here is why it’s wrong. The Bible says unbelievers are a slave to sin, dead in sin, blinded by Satan, they can’t understand the things of God, they are haters of God, they don’t seek God, etc.

If Paul is talking about his past life why does he desire to do what is good? Verse 19 says, “For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.” Unbelievers don’t desire to do good. They don’t seek after the things of God. In verse 22 he says, “For I delight in the law of God.” Unbelievers don’t delight in God’s law. In fact, when we read Psalm 1:2; Psalm 119:47; and Psalm 119:16 we see that only believers are delighting in God’s law.

In verse 25 Paul reveals the answer to his struggles. “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Christ is how we achieve victory over all sin. In verse 25 Paul then goes on to say, “I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.” This shows that he was referring to his current life.

Nonbelievers do not struggle with sin. Only believers battle with sin. 1 Peter 4:12 “Don’t be surprised at the fiery trials you are going through.” As believers although we are a new creation there is a battle against the flesh. We are trapped in our humanness and now the Spirit is waging war against the flesh.

Romans 7:15-25 “For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.”

Galatians 5:16-17 “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.”

Sinless perfectionism denies sanctification.

Entire sanctification or Christian perfectionism is a damnable heresy. Once someone is justified by faith in Christ, then comes the sanctification process. God is going to conform the believer into the image of His Son. God is going to work in that believer’s life until death.

If sinless perfectionism is true, then there is no reason for God to work in us and it contradicts various Scriptures. Even Paul addressed believers as carnal Christians. I am not saying a believer will remain carnal, which is not true. A believer will grow, but the fact that he calls believers carnal Christians destroys this false doctrine.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3 “But I, (brothers), could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, 3 for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way?”

2 Peter 3:18 “But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.”
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Jesus taught us to confess our sins daily.
Matthew 6:9-12 “Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. ‘Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. ‘Give us this day our daily bread. ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.”
by making these things it's like saying to me be aware of what I am teaching you study them before you decide to believe

it was not jesus who said that on matthew 6 but you
oh not you since you only copied

I also check out the next but it is also the same misleading doctrine so what's the point of continuing....to read and study
 

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by making these things it's like saying to me be aware of what I am teaching you study them before you decide to believe

it was not jesus who said that on matthew 6 but you
oh not you since you only copied

I also check out the next but it is also the same misleading doctrine so what's the point of continuing....to read and study
Are you one of the spiritual giants?
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These are Jesus' very words in Mt 5:48: "“Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Elsewhere it is written that we ought to be walking like Jesus: DLNT 1Jn 2:6: "the one claiming to be abiding in Him ought just as that One walked also himself thus to be walking."
 

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And yet those whom claim incontinence in Christ, God says we should stay away from them. Because they have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

(2Tim 3:1 [KJV])
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

(2Tim 3:2 [KJV])
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

(2Tim 3:3 [KJV])
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

(2Tim 3:4 [KJV])
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

(2Tim 3:5 [KJV])
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
 

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All I know is that I trust Jesus and God to help me.

Jesus said for us to ask God for help by the spirit; Luke 11:13.

I’m not perfect in my flesh;
But am complete in Christ by the spirit.

To love God and love fellow man, that is what he suggested we do.

Does that mean we can not practice righteousness? To stand for what God has instated and share the love of what God and Jesus had done for a person; if people are in snares and bondage to pray with them and encourage them to test, read, question the Bible and learn about Jesus.
 

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And yet those whom claim incontinence in Christ, God says we should stay away from them. Because they have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

(2Tim 3:1 [KJV])
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

(2Tim 3:2 [KJV])
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

(2Tim 3:3 [KJV])
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

(2Tim 3:4 [KJV])
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

(2Tim 3:5 [KJV])
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Those are not characteristic traits of children of God. (1 John 3:9,10)
 

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These are not characteristic traits of children of God. (1 John 3:9,10)
But they are professing Christians. And the list includes those who claim they can't help themselves even through the gift of Christ but sin.


(2Tim 3:3 [KJV])
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,



(2Tim 3:5 [KJV])
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
 

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It's Hard to Be Humble​

by Mac Davis​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're perfect in every way​
I can't wait to look in the mirror​
Cause I get better lookin' each day​
To know me is to love me​
I must be a [heck]of a man​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
But I'm doin' the best that I can​
I used to have a girlfriend​
But I guess she just couldn't compete​
With all of these love-starved women​
Who keep clamoring at my feet​
Well I could probably find me another​
But I guess they're all in awe of me​
Who cares? I never get lonesome​
Cause I treasure my own company​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're perfect in every way​
I can't wait to look in the mirror​
I get better lookin' each day​
To know me is to love me​
I must be a [heck] of a man​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're doing the best that you can​
I guess you could say I'm a loner​
A cowboy outlaw, tough and proud​
Well, I could have lotsa friends if I wanted,​
But then I wouldn't stand out from the crowd​
Some folks say that I'm egotistical​
[Heck], I don't even know what that means​
I guess it has something to do with the way​
That I fill out my skin-tight blue jeans​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're perfect in every way​
I can't wait to look in the mirror​
I get better lookin' each day​
To know me is to love me​
I must be a [heck] of a man​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're doing the best that you can​
We're doing the best that we can!​
Give yourselves a hand.​
Yeeee-haw!​


Proverbs 8:13[NASB20] "The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride, arrogance, the evil way, And the perverted mouth, I hate.
Proverbs11:2 [NASB20] When pride comes, then comes dishonor; But with the humble there is wisdom.
Proverbs16:18 [NASB20] Pride [goes] before destruction, And a haughty spirit before stumbling.
Proverbs21:24 [NASB20] "Proud," "Arrogant," "Scoffer," are his names, [One] who acts with insolent pride.
Proverbs29:23 [NASB20] A person's pride will bring him low, But a humble spirit will obtain honor.
Isaiah 2:17 [NASB20] And the pride of humanity will be humbled And the arrogance of people will be brought low; And the LORD alone will be exalted on that day,
 
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The point of it all is not to become prideful in what God helps you overcome. All credit should go to Him. Jesus is the only life of a believer, and we can live a life having love for God and love for others.

No one is better than the next person at all.
 

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“Believers who are poor have something to boast about, for God has honored them. And those who are rich should boast that God has humbled them. They will fade away like a little flower in the field. The hot sun rises and the grass withers; the little flower droops and falls, and its beauty fades away. In the same way, the rich will fade away with all of their achievements.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬-‭11‬ ‭NLT‬‬

This is a quote I like by the apostle James.
 

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But they are professing Christians. And the list includes those who claim they can't help themselves even through the gift of Christ but sin.


(2Tim 3:3 [KJV])
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,



(2Tim 3:5 [KJV])
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
"Professing" (nominal) Christians out number genuine Christians by far and there are those as well who seem to be suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)
 

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All I know is that I trust Jesus and God to help me.

Jesus said for us to ask God for help by the spirit; Luke 11:13.

I’m not perfect in my flesh;
But am complete in Christ by the spirit.

To love God and love fellow man, that is what he suggested we do.

Does that mean we can not practice righteousness? To stand for what God has instated and share the love of what God and Jesus had done for a person; if people are in snares and bondage to pray with them and encourage them to test, read, question the Bible and learn about Jesus.
He that does righteousness is righteous even as He is righteous.

Even as is a direct comparrison to how Jesus was righteous. So how was Jesus righteous. Just like you say of yourself. Through God.

It's Hard to Be Humble​

by Mac Davis​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're perfect in every way​
I can't wait to look in the mirror​
Cause I get better lookin' each day​
To know me is to love me​
I must be a hell of a man​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
But I'm doin' the best that I can​
I used to have a girlfriend​
But I guess she just couldn't compete​
With all of these love-starved women​
Who keep clamoring at my feet​
Well I could probably find me another​
But I guess they're all in awe of me​
Who cares? I never get lonesome​
Cause I treasure my own company​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're perfect in every way​
I can't wait to look in the mirror​
I get better lookin' each day​
To know me is to love me​
I must be a hell of a man​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're doing the best that you can​
I guess you could say I'm a loner​
A cowboy outlaw, tough and proud​
Well, I could have lotsa friends if I wanted,​
But then I wouldn't stand out from the crowd​
Some folks say that I'm egotistical​
H*ll, I don't even know what that means​
I guess it has something to do with the way​
That I fill out my skin-tight blue jeans​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're perfect in every way​
I can't wait to look in the mirror​
I get better lookin' each day​
To know me is to love me​
I must be a hell of a man​
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble​
When you're doing the best that you can​
We're doing the best that we can!​
Give yourselves a hand.​
Yeeee-haw!​

No one can claim anything Spiritually other than that it is all of God. Jesus Himself said "there is none good but one God" and gave all credit to our Father when he said in John 14 "He doeth the work"
 

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"Professing" (nominal) Christians out number genuine Christians by far and there are those as well who seem to be suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)
You just hop all over the place don't you? 2Tim 3:3 says if we can't help ourselves and sin we have a form of godliness and deny the power and that other Christians should stay away from us. Quoting 1 John does not negate that.

Let's take a look at 1 John shall we. First thing one needs to understand sin in verse 8 is a noun not a verb. Just because we all may have sins we are working through. Such as lust. Doesn't mean we are doing them or dwelling on them when they come to mind. The sin of Lust pops into my mind when I see a beautiful woman. If I confess it right away and give that temptation to the LORD right away before I dwell on it and it becomes active in mind and heart, a verb. A WALK in the darkness. He is faithful and just to cleanse me of my sin, my lust problem and cleanse me of all unrighteousness. The verb for sinning is not used until verse 1:10 and 2:1. Mind you verse 10 does not say if we say we are not sinning. It says if we say we have not sinned, past tense. If we are continuing in sin then we are walking in darkness and there is no truth in us as verse 6 states. Couple that with verse 2:1 where GOD through John counsels us not to sin and states "if" we sin we have a advocate to the Father Jesus Christ.
If we couldn't live without sinning through and in Christ John would not have counseled us not to sin in verse 2:1 and would not have used the conditional particle if in a clause that is in the subjunctive mood. The mood of possibility not probability.

(1John 1:6 [KJV])
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

(1John 1:7 [KJV])
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

(1John 1:8 [KJV])
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

(1John 1:9 [KJV])
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

(1John 1:10 [KJV])
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(1John 2:1 [KJV])
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
 

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You just hop all over the place don't you? 2Tim 3:3 says if we can't help ourselves and sin we have a form of godliness and deny the power and that other Christians should stay away from us. Quoting 1 John does not negate that.

Let's take a look at 1 John shall we. First thing one needs to understand sin in verse 8 is a noun not a verb. Just because we all may have sins we are working through. Such as lust. Doesn't mean we are doing them or dwelling on them when they come to mind. The sin of Lust pops into my mind when I see a beautiful woman. If I confess it right away and give that temptation to the LORD right away before I dwell on it and it becomes active in mind and heart, a verb. A WALK in the darkness. He is faithful and just to cleanse me of my sin, my lust problem and cleanse me of all unrighteousness. The verb for sinning is not used until verse 1:10 and 2:1. Mind you verse 10 does not say if we say we are not sinning. It says if we say we have not sinned, past tense. If we are continuing in sin then we are walking in darkness and there is no truth in us as verse 6 states. Couple that with verse 2:1 where GOD through John counsels us not to sin and states "if" we sin we have a advocate to the Father Jesus Christ.
If we couldn't live without sinning through and in Christ John would not have counseled us not to sin in verse 2:1 and would not have used the conditional particle if in a clause that is in the subjunctive mood. The mood of possibility not probability.

(1John 1:6 [KJV])
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

(1John 1:7 [KJV])
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

(1John 1:8 [KJV])
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

(1John 1:9 [KJV])
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

(1John 1:10 [KJV])
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(1John 2:1 [KJV])
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
See post #492 from the link below:


See post #44 from the link below:


Also see post #268 from the link below:

 

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See post #492 from the link below:


See post #44 from the link below:


Also see post #268 from the link below:

If you don't have a response, just say so. If something in any of those links proves anything posted is wrong in the quote you replied to copy and paste it in response to what is said and we will respond or we will recant. If not?
 

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You just hop all over the place don't you? 2Tim 3:3 says if we can't help ourselves and sin we have a form of godliness and deny the power and that other Christians should stay away from us. Quoting 1 John does not negate that.

Let's take a look at 1 John shall we. First thing one needs to understand sin in verse 8 is a noun not a verb. Just because we all may have sins we are working through. Such as lust. Doesn't mean we are doing them or dwelling on them when they come to mind. The sin of Lust pops into my mind when I see a beautiful woman. If I confess it right away and give that temptation to the LORD right away before I dwell on it and it becomes active in mind and heart, a verb. A WALK in the darkness. He is faithful and just to cleanse me of my sin, my lust problem and cleanse me of all unrighteousness. The verb for sinning is not used until verse 1:10 and 2:1. Mind you verse 10 does not say if we say we are not sinning. It says if we say we have not sinned, past tense. If we are continuing in sin then we are walking in darkness and there is no truth in us as verse 6 states. Couple that with verse 2:1 where GOD through John counsels us not to sin and states "if" we sin we have a advocate to the Father Jesus Christ.
If we couldn't live without sinning through and in Christ John would not have counseled us not to sin in verse 2:1 and would not have used the conditional particle if in a clause that is in the subjunctive mood. The mood of possibility not probability.

(1John 1:6 [KJV])
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

(1John 1:7 [KJV])
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

(1John 1:8 [KJV])
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

(1John 1:9 [KJV])
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

(1John 1:10 [KJV])
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

(1John 2:1 [KJV])
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
See post #492 from the link below:

Also see post #268 from the link below:

If you don't have a response, just say so. If something in any of those links proves anything posted is wrong in the quote you replied to copy and paste it in response to what is said and we will respond or we will recant. If not?
My response in regards to the scripture you cited is found in those posts.
 

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If you don't have a response, just say so. If something in any of those links proves anything posted is wrong in the quote you replied to copy and paste it in response to what is said and we will respond or we will recant. If not?
My response to the scripture you cited is found in those posts from the links that I shared with you.