GodcallsmeOlivia
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Angelina,Angelina said:Please show me scripture that states that being slain/drunk in the Spirit are of the flesh and not from God.
Mark 3:28-30 says
28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”
Jesus said this when his own people took a hold of him, claiming him to be mad. The scribes believed that he cast out of demons by the ruler of demons, not the power of God.
This warning is based on works of the flesh. Works that men/women have chosen to partake in to gratify their fleshly desires. Being drunk from wine and being under the influence/power of the Spirit are not the same thing. One is a decision that man makes of his own accord, the other is an outpouring of power from on high that is not in mans control.
As Hammerstone pointed out...even those who witnessed the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost and witnessed the manifestations, assumed that Christ's followers were drunk with wine but what was Peter's reply? Acts 2:15.
You cannot speak about something that you do not know. Go back and read the bible again...
Shalom and Peace!
I will respond to what you wrote but you didn’t answer me when I asked:
Tell me why the Indian kundalini experience is the same as this and do you think those who don’t believe in Christ but are having the same experience as the slain/drunk experience are having it by the Holy Spirit even though they don’t believe in salvation by Christ alone?
Please answer this.
As far as 2 Ti 3 that is my point. Not everyone who has an appearance of godliness is of God, and those who are of God and do those behaviors are walking in the flesh, not the true Spirit of God.
The Holy Spirit is not going to overtake someone with the same behaviors that God calls behaviors of the flesh and then call those behaviors of the Spirit saying that it is of the Spirit because He is doing it. God is not going to cause someone to have behaviors or spiritual experiences that He defines elsewhere as of the flesh.
The scripture about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit does not pertain to this. Otherwise not I, but you would be guilty of it because you attribute to the Holy Spirit demonic occurrences that He doesn't do. Nevertheless, a person is not hell bound for wrong beliefs and statements about the Holy Spirit. A believer is forgiven, but an unbeliever who rejects the voice that testifies of Christ as sinless savior God cannot be forgiven and saved for they confess against faith in Christ and confess against the gospel.
“If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved,” (Ro. 10:9).
“Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. 33"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven” (Matt 10:32-33).
I have no idea who Hammerstone is. I get my beliefs from God not other people.
The verse in Acts that you are talking about where the people who were in their sound mind and not fallen back and not showing out of control exaggerated behaviors, but rather were speaking other languages (which would have seemed to someone who didn’t know what was happening like drunken behavior because it would have seemed like a mass of people speaking gibberish) has Peter saying that the people may look drunken from the behavior but are not acting in a drunken manner, but are rather fulfilling scripture from the book of Joel.
Peter then quotes Joel which has nothing about the out of control behaviors associated with the slain/drunk movement.
“ ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’c
Prophecy, visions, dreams, wonders on the earth (akin to plagues and devastation) are described. Not emotional, out of control behaviors.
The Kundali Spirit is very deceptive. There is no scriptural evidence for it.
I speak of what I do know because God has told me. I don’t doubt or question what God has said to me. I know it is truth. If I had to experience what you are saying to know it after hearing God then I would be doubting Him. I don’t doubt what He has said to me however. I know His voice and believe it.
“My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me,” (John 10:27).
Angelina, I hope that you are at least willing to pray to God about this. Deception can cause people to fall away. The New Age concepts can seem very appealing on the surface, but inside they are as rotten fruit within a beautiful shiny bowl with a lid. Many New Agers have the types of experiences you say but they are on there way to hell being pacified by the experiences into not seeing a reason to need salvation when they believe they have found spiritual Nirvana in the experience, thus don't need a savior. Even if you have accepted Christ you can end up doing damage to your walk and to your testimony to others by participating in these things.
Present yourself a living sacrifice. Give this up for the sake of the gospel.
May you be blessed with truth and great joy springing from that truth.