Smoke Screens?

[marks]

I don't know what to say.
You're happy that persons fear God?

I was taught fear as a little girl.
It didn't save me.

God's love saved me and I'll be forever grateful.

There was a friend of mine who said that he discovered the fear of the Lord when he realized how much God could mess with his life.

I look at it this way. God is faithful, and He is my Father. He will not relent, but He Will conform me to the image of Christ.

I have a deep respect for God's hammer and anvil!

Much love!
Mark

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Same here.
It's what we call growth.
Seems like God demands more and more.
But it also seems that we're happy to do it...if we can.

Here come the faith only believers...

Lol. They just don't understand yet what the apostle said, that in fact, it is only when we have trust that we DO obey! My paraphrase, in a hurry.

 

[bbyrd009]

"Smoke Screens" lol
priceless!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Jesus said that the world will know we are HIS disciples because we love one another.

Hating someone is the same as murdering them.
Mathew 5:21-22

<this grail hunting> refers to <this grail hunting>, not to <someone>, not to <them>. And now I have forgotten to what it actually refers; perhaps to <this grail hunting>? Ja; I think that was it.

Now I am a murderer for that. That's also ok with me because it's also Biblically true.

 

[farouk]

That is absolutely correct and scriptural. God never intended for anyone to be justified and then just leave it at that. And that is why God gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit, so that every Christian is empowered to grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. This happens when Christians walk in the Spirit and are filled with the Spirit. And that is sanctification.

But once again, that is not the end of the story. God's eternal purpose for His children is that they be perfected and glorified (bodies, souls, and spirit) so that they resemble Christ exactly. "Conformed to the image of His Son" means becoming replicas of Christ by God's grace nad power. Not by our own efforts. And not becoming "little gods" either. And that is where election and predestination come into the picture. Romans 8:29,30 summarizes the whole plan of salvation. However, Calvinism has distorted the meaning of predestination by asserting that God elects/predestines some for salvation and others for damnation. And that is a damnable doctrine.

Ephesians 1 is relevant.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yikes, you really believe that? !!
Think about what you are saying...

We have probably hijacked poor H.Richard thread.

That would be another thread...go start one .. :)

I say NO WAY...no one "Murdered Jesus," least of all the Devil!!!

It SAYS...He LAID DOWN His life....

I will be looking for your new thread on this... :)

No one takes my life from Me, I lay it down of Myself. I have the power to lay it down and the power to take it up again. I lay down My life for the sheep.

Satan would have never been able to take His life unless our Lord allowed it. But He allowed it. So it is okay to say Satan killed Him. He did.

 

[GodsGrace]

Ephesians 1 is relevant.

What's relevant about it?

 

[GodsGrace]

<this grail hunting> refers to <this grail hunting>, not to <someone>, not to <them>. And now I have forgotten to what it actually refers; perhaps to <this grail hunting>? Ja; I think that was it.

Now I am a murderer for that. That's also ok with me because it's also Biblically true.

Jesus wants us to change for the better.
Do YOU want to change for the better?
Don't hate your brothers...or anyone for that matter.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We are called to obey God..but we have now the Holy Spirit to help us do this.
This was not true in the O.T. The Holy Spirit always existed but He was not our paraclete. This is why the Law failed.

Don't blame God for our failure.

 

[GodsGrace]

Don't blame God for our failure.

What makes you think I do?
Do I sound like a calvinist to you?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Jesus wants us to change for the better.
Do YOU want to change for the better?
Don't hate your brothers...or anyone for that matter.

I'm too tired to, don't worry. The sermon already tapped me of any will or energy left. Thanks anyway.

 

[farouk]

What's relevant about it?

It also speaks of election.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm too tired to, don't worry. The sermon already tapped me of any will or energy left. Thanks anyway.

Let's just all be happy Christians.
I'm full of problems...
but satan IS NOT getting the victory!

Let's maybe not agree.
But we could do that with love.

Love is all we need.

 

[GodsGrace]

It also speaks of election.

Do you read my exegesis of the verses you post?
You never answer to them...which is fine, but I DO hope you read them.

If you give me the verses in Ephesians, I'll go thru them again.
It's good to understand the word of God.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

What makes you think I do?
Do I sound like a calvinist to you?

No you don't; that's why I said, Don't blame God for man's sin.

 

[GodsGrace]

No you don't; that's why I said, Don't blame God for man's sin.

Oh. Right.
In fact, I don't.
I blame man for man's sin.

Calvinist's have only God to blame since God predestined EVERYTHING.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Oh. Right.
In fact, I don't.
I blame man for man's sin.

Calvinist's have only God to blame since God predestined EVERYTHING.

That's exactly right, since God predestined EVERYTHING Calvinists have only God to blame whom they know they can never blame.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's exactly right, since God predestined EVERYTHING Calvinist's have only God to blame whom they know they can never blame.

Yes, it's a rather mixed up theology.

 

[justbyfaith]

@GodsGrace:

So, do you just simply ignore the scriptures in question?

How do you form your theology if you ignore specific scriptures in the Bible?

Is it smorgasborg theology that attracts you?

re #339 (Smoke Screens?)

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace:

So, do you just simply ignore the scriptures in question?

How do you form your theology if you ignore specific scriptures in the Bible?

Is it smorgasborg theology that attracts you?

re #339 (Smoke Screens?)

JBF,,,
I don't ignore any scripture.
I exegete any verse that's given to me with no problem.

In the O.T. God was feared.
Did you know that they had no concept of satan?
They attributed everything that happened to God.
There are some places in the O.T. that state that God made evil.
Like, for instance, Isaiah 45:7

Do YOU believe God created evil/darkness/calamity?
Or could there be another explanation? Like the one I just gave you for instance.

Jesus did not teach us that God is to be feared.
He taught us that God loves His creation...but not all His creation loves Him back.
Jesus wept over this.
Mathew 23:17

The bible must also be studied.
If you just read verses, you won't get the full picture.

I love God.
And I think He loves us back.
Don't know what else to say.