SONS OF GOD, WHO ARE THEY?

[CharismaticLady]

I know that Noah and his family were the only survivors of the flood, and were all human. What I was saying is, that you saying that the sons of God mated with the daughters of men again, is not anywhere stated in the scriptures. You using the phrase, "and also afterward," to state that Angels again mated with the daughters of men and producing the nephilim again, is in error. The nephilim died in the flood.
Goliath was a mercenary fighting for the philistines. Goliath himself was of the large tribe people called the Raphiam he wasn't of the people called nephilim, as I said, all of the nephilim died in flood. There is no evidence in the scriptures that, Angels again mated with the daughters of men and the nephilim being produced from this union, isn't not backed up with scripture. You using the phrase, "and also afterward," as you're doing doesn't prove this happened sometime in the future again.

Hey Barney, yes, this is my personal, but educated belief going on those words "and afterwards." I believe the Raphiam were those afterwards. I can see no other reason for God to command killing man, woman and child, and even the livestock. (Genesis 6:7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”) I believe God judged those nations as He did those before the flood, and for the very same reason. God didn't need to destroy the whole world, and He used His own chosen nation to clean us the mess.

Who do you believe were "afterwards."

 

[n2thelight]

Many people say that the sons of God are angels, is that right or wrong?

Right

 

[Waiting on him]

Philippians 2:14-15 KJV
Do all things without murmurings and disputings: [15] That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

 

[Waiting on him]

Romans 8:14 KJV
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Right

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Adam was son of God, his boys would be grandsons of God.
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Grandsons would still be sons of God, daughters of men, that would be mankind, 2 creations Gen 1 and Gen 2.

 

[Joseph77]

There is no evidence anywhere that angels took and married or kept woman as wives on earth.

 

[101G]

There is no evidence anywhere that angels took and married or kept woman as wives on earth.

Correct.

PICJAG.

 

[n2thelight]

There is no evidence anywhere that angels took and married or kept woman as wives on earth.

Oh but there is, it's there in Gen 6. You know when the Word says,here a little there a little.

Okay let's start here

Jude 6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Question ,what is the habitat of any angel?Is it not Heaven?Now let's do Gen 6.

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."If you say as most try,why were they hybrid ?

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

The giants are the Nephilim, or those offspring of the marriage between the fallen angels, and the daughters of men. Who could that be, you may ask? The progeny of any sexual relationship is children, or descendants. These children, or offspring from the angelic relationships were misfits. They were deformed giants.

If they were just normal,why did their kids become giants?

The question you need to ask is why.

Satan tried to destroy the womb of woman, and the perfect, pure blood line of man, that the promised Messiah, Jesus Christ would be born through. That Christ child would provide salvation for all souls, that would believe upon Him.

So much you would know ,so much He will show if you would just open your eye's, however some if not most are blinded for a reason.

 

[n2thelight]

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Adam was son of God, his boys would be grandsons of God.
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Grandsons would still be sons of God, daughters of men, that would be mankind, 2 creations Gen 1 and Gen 2.

No not quite as we MUST understand whom the sons of God were in that context

Let's go to the Book of Job

Job 38:4 "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."

Now clearly this is saying when He created the earth

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?"



Who were these "sons of God" [the stars that sang], and when did these sons of God sing for Joy? We are talking about the angels here, that sang before the establishment of this earth age of the flesh. All souls were there and Satan also was there with all of them. Some how the people of this earth age are trying to forget Satan and the role that he played at the rebellion in that first earth age. We see that Satan was not in the conversation with Job and his friends at this time. They all have overlooked the overall plan of God. However had Job known the plan of God, where would he have been then, when the foundations of this earth were laid and the angels were rejoicing? Of course He would have been there with the rest of them, where we all were. You see, we the elect of God were chosen before the foundations of this earth were laid, and so was Job.


Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world [age], that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"


Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children of Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"

Now who are the sons of God in Job,it's clear ,to me anyway that they were angels as God is saying when He created this earth,and the sons were with Him,why do we change it when it comes to Gen 6?

 

[n2thelight]

Also most are saying this can't happen,what about the perversion of those who wanted to have sex with the angels,did not the angels sit and eat,meaning they can be physical

 

[101G]

The giants are the Nephilim, or those offspring of the marriage between the fallen angels, and the daughters of men. Who could that be, you may ask? The progeny of any sexual relationship is children, or descendants. These children, or offspring from the angelic relationships were misfits. They were deformed giants.

ERROR,
To understand who they, The Nephilim/Giants were, one need to understand their origins, and where their place was, A. before the flood, and B. after the flood in the scriptures. The scriptures that reveals it all for us before and after the flood is Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.
The key phrase in the verse is, “the same, (giants), became mighty men”. BINGO, there is our first step in identifying who these Giants/Nephilim are. these giants/Nephilim became know as "MIGHTY MEN". knowing that, let's zero in on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

The KJV can translate the Nephilim, the Giants also as a man, but notice “MIGHTY MAN”

Understand, our term Giant/Nephilim identifies what we’re looking for in this topic setting in two types of mighty men A. “Mighty Men” in valor. B. Mighty Men in Stature. So our first clue tells us to look for “ mighty men” in the bible, either of A. in valor. B. in Stature/Height.

Now, before the flood, we say that the sons of God who had these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” was ordinary men and women, AND NOT ANGELS. We will prove this by revealing who these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” are after the flood and then we can understand who they are before the flood, and see that they had ordinary human fathers and mothers.

We will look at the two types of Nephilim, according to the bible. the Giants, men in stature and the Mighty Men in valor, whom all had Ordinary parents. Nothing supernatural here.


MIGHTY MEN

Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.

Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”

before we reveal it, we'll let you respond first. and note David, the king was a mighty man, and he had an army of mighty men/Nephilim ...

PICJAG.

 

[n2thelight]

So the question remains that I asked in my first post. How did this happen again afterwards? Noah and his sons were then of the sons of God in your theory. All the mankind were dead. Who could have escaped the flood? The only possible answer would be some of the fallen angels that weren't involved the first time.

Genesis 6:
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

Not thinking scripture tells us that part,which brings me to this,who did Noah bring on the Ark

Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

People just assume it's only talking about animals but was not man also flesh?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Not thinking scripture tells us that part,which brings me to this,who did Noah bring on the Ark

Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

People just assume it's only talking about animals but was not man also flesh?

8 humans, plus animals

 

[n2thelight]

ERROR,
To understand who they, The Nephilim/Giants were, one need to understand their origins, and where their place was, A. before the flood, and B. after the flood in the scriptures. The scriptures that reveals it all for us before and after the flood is Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.
The key phrase in the verse is, “the same, (giants), became mighty men”. BINGO, there is our first step in identifying who these Giants/Nephilim are. these giants/Nephilim became know as "MIGHTY MEN". knowing that, let's zero in on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

The KJV can translate the Nephilim, the Giants also as a man, but notice “MIGHTY MAN”

Understand, our term Giant/Nephilim identifies what we’re looking for in this topic setting in two types of mighty men A. “Mighty Men” in valor. B. Mighty Men in Stature. So our first clue tells us to look for “ mighty men” in the bible, either of A. in valor. B. in Stature/Height.

Now, before the flood, we say that the sons of God who had these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” was ordinary men and women, AND NOT ANGELS. We will prove this by revealing who these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” are after the flood and then we can understand who they are before the flood, and see that they had ordinary human fathers and mothers.

We will look at the two types of Nephilim, according to the bible. the Giants, men in stature and the Mighty Men in valor, whom all had Ordinary parents. Nothing supernatural here.


MIGHTY MEN

Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.

Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”

before we reveal it, we'll let you respond first. and note David, the king was a mighty man, and he had an army of mighty men/Nephilim ...

PICJAG.

Who were the sons of God mentioned in the book of Job?

Also from the verse you referring ,I don't see giant mentioned

I Samuel 16:18 "Then answered on of the servants, and said, "Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Beth-lehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the Lord is with him."

Your turn

 

[101G]

Who were the sons of God mentioned in the book of Job?

Job and his friends of the east, scripture, Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east" THERE THEY ARE, YOUR ONLY "SONS OF GOD IN THE BOOK OF JOB" do you see them?

and those in chapter 38 are not angels nor men.....

PICJAG

 

[101G]

as said, there are two types of mighty men

Type 1. “Mighty Men”. Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.​

Follow the bible. as stated above the Nephilim/giants are the Mighty men. a "Mighty Man" known as a Nephilim dose not always mean in "height" only, but we’re going to look at that also. it can mean a STRONG MAN, a VALIANT MAN, or a WARRIOR in battle. again look at the definition above post #31, again to be sure. My source for this definition is from, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

So lets find these “mighty men”/Nephilim, and trace them back to their origins. So don't let Nephilim stick in your head only as GIANTS in stature ONLY. The tradition of men have planted this notion in men heads that Nephilim are only giants, but the bible is clear. as our apostle said, leave those old wives, and fairy tails behind, and re-new your mind in the knowledge of Christ.

king David, and some of his men was identified as MIGHTY MEN who killed a lot of other men. Let’s catalogue David's mighty men. In 2 Samuel 23:8 read through to the end of the chapter. Two things to notice in 2 Samuel 23. in verse 8 we have the term “Mighty Men” which is the same term used in Genesis 6, here it is again, H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj. גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
Root(s): H1397

The exact same word used in Genesis 6 for giants/Nephilim. also notice 2 Samuel 23:18 "And Abishai, the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief among three. And he lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them, and had the name among three.

Here, the word "NAME" is the Hebrew word, H8034 שֵׁם shem (shame) n-m.
1. an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality.
2. (by implication) honor, authority, character.
[a primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position)]
KJV: + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.
Root(s): H7760

did one see how it could be translated in the KJV? ..... "renown" just as in Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown".

there it is "renown" and theses men, these “mighty men” had a reputation/name of being KILLERS of other men. Because another word for “RENOWN” is reputation. Meaning, The condition of being known or talked about by many people. They had reputation of being killers of men, as David was. 1 Samuel 29:5 & 6 "Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances, saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?". See these men killed, or was killer of other men, or as the definition define them as “Warriors”. That’s why the Lord said in Genesis 6:5 & 6 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." 6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." there was lots of violence, killing, spilling of blood in the Land, hence the flood. notice these mighty men of David had HUMAN PARENTS, no angels in involved. In today’s language these men would be recognized as modern day mercenary for their great valor in fighting. So clearly the bible tells us that these type of Mighty Man/Nephilim is associated with violence, the spilling of blood in the land, killers. And David was a MIGHTY MAN himself, 1 Samuel 16:18 "Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him." and David had human parents. So now we’re going to look at these type II “Mighty men” next who are tall in stature, known as GIANTS, and who also have human origins.

PICJAG.

 

[CharismaticLady]

ERROR,
To understand who they, The Nephilim/Giants were, one need to understand their origins, and where their place was, A. before the flood, and B. after the flood in the scriptures. The scriptures that reveals it all for us before and after the flood is Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.
The key phrase in the verse is, “the same, (giants), became mighty men”. BINGO, there is our first step in identifying who these Giants/Nephilim are. these giants/Nephilim became know as "MIGHTY MEN". knowing that, let's zero in on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

The KJV can translate the Nephilim, the Giants also as a man, but notice “MIGHTY MAN”

Understand, our term Giant/Nephilim identifies what we’re looking for in this topic setting in two types of mighty men A. “Mighty Men” in valor. B. Mighty Men in Stature. So our first clue tells us to look for “ mighty men” in the bible, either of A. in valor. B. in Stature/Height.

Now, before the flood, we say that the sons of God who had these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” was ordinary men and women, AND NOT ANGELS. We will prove this by revealing who these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” are after the flood and then we can understand who they are before the flood, and see that they had ordinary human fathers and mothers.

We will look at the two types of Nephilim, according to the bible. the Giants, men in stature and the Mighty Men in valor, whom all had Ordinary parents. Nothing supernatural here.


MIGHTY MEN

Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.

Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”

before we reveal it, we'll let you respond first. and note David, the king was a mighty man, and he had an army of mighty men/Nephilim ...

PICJAG.

I believe the real question should stay who or what are the "sons of God." Job uses that term for angels.

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

 

[101G]

I believe the real question should be who or what are the "sons of God." Job uses that term for angels.

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

nope, the term "sons of God", apply to humans and not angels. as said the only "sons of God in the entire book of Job are listed in Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east". see, there is your only "sons of God" in the book of Job.

PICJAG.

 

[CharismaticLady]

nope, the term "sons of God", apply to humans and not angels. as said the only "sons of God in the entire book of Job are listed in Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east". see, there is your only "sons of God" in the book of Job.

PICJAG.

Friend, your reference is about Job, not the sons of God.

 

[101G]

Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”​

As previously stated, Nephilim do not mean ONLY “Giants” in stature, not only, but here we will examine the Nephilim in stature, yes Giants, as in height. again we’ll look at after the flood and see these giants and where they came from. and they all came from the same source, ordinary human men and women, in this case, post flood, Noah and his sons. We will start with one of the best know giants in the bible, Goliath, the Philistine of Gath.

listen and understand, These are the names of Noah sons. Genesis 9:18 & 19 "And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 "These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread”. Knowing this, the only people to exist on the entire planet, after the flood, came from these three sons of Noah. no giants came from any other unions but of human men and women, this is bible.

1 Samuel 17:23 "And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them”. Here the scriptures say that Goliath was a Philistine. And Goliath himself tells us that he is a Philistine. 1 Samuel 17:8 "And he stood and cried unto the armies of Israel, and said unto them, Why are ye come out to set your battle in array? am not I a Philistine, and ye servants to Saul? choose you a man for you, and let him come down to me”. We know without a doubt that Goliath of Gath is a Philistine.
Now the question comes, where did the Philistine come from? Answer, let’s look at the genealogy of Noah sons and trace back to Goliath of Gath who is a Philistine. Genesis 10:6 "And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan”.
One of Ham’s sons were Mizraim. Let’s look at Mizraim sons. Genesis 10:13 "And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”. As we can see Mizraim had a son name Casluhim which out of him came a people called Philistim.
This is the same exact genealogy out of 1 Chronicles 1:12. Let’s compare them
1 Chronicles 1:12 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim”.
Genesis 10:14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”.
Perfect match, so we know that Philistim in Genesis 10:14 is the Philistines in 1 Chronicles 1:12.
Knowing this, the Philistines came from HAM, one of Noah sons, who had Mizraim, who had Casluhim.

So this Giant Goliath came from ordinary men and women NOT FROM ANY ANGELIC UNION WITH HUMAN WOMAN. This Genesis 6 myth is coming apart.
in the book of Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight".
Here we see giants in stature/height the term "Giants"/nephilim is associated with the sons of Anak which can be trace back to HAM. a son of Noah.

And if one study the bible these so called Giants was just tall men. For Goliath was around 9ft. And 6 inches. 1 Samuel 17:4 "And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span."

Doing the math, a cubits is roughly 18 inches, and a span = roughly 9 inches
Let’s add up Goliath height to be sure. He was six cubits and a span.
1 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
2 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
3 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
4 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
5 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
6 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches

That’s a total of 6ft and 36 inches. 36 inches is 3 feet. that makes Goliath 9ft tall. But now we need to add the span which is roughly 9 inches, which means the Philistine of Gath, Goliath was over 9 and a half feet tall. Well the tallest man in modern times was Robert Wadlow who stood in at 8ft and 11 inches, just about 9 feet. If one would look at some of his pictures next to ordinary people you will see why he is called a giant. Goliath would have had only a few inches on him.

These giants through out the bible is just extra tall men and women. If one just take their time and add up some of these heights one will find that they was just extraordinary tall men, who had the condition in humans called “gigantism”. as was with the famous wrestler Andre the giant.

So get that Gulliver travels myth out of your head. These was just extra tall men who had ordinary parents who was human.

PICJAG.