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Soul Sleep yes or no?

Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by friend of, Nov 18, 2021.

Is there such a thing as "soul sleep"?

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Other

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  1. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Daniel and Revelation speak metaphorically...and uses symbolism to describe future events.

    Here is an excerpt of a study on Daniel 12.
    DANIEL 12

    12:2 "those who sleep" There are several terms in Hebrew for sleep.

    yashen (BDB 445), which is normally used of natural sleep, but in Dan. 12:2, of deathshenah (BDB 446), also used of natural sleep, Dan. 2:1; 6:18shakab (BDB 446), which is used in the books of 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, and 2 Chronicles for death (2 Sam. 11:9) and normal sleep (2 Sam. 7:12)

    The concept of death as sleep is also found in the NT (e.g., Matt. 27:52 [note resurrection]; John 11:11 [note resurrection in John 11:25-26; 13:36; Acts 7:60; 1 Thess. 4:13 [note resurrection in 4:14-17]; 5:10).

    ▣ "in the dust of the ground" This Hebrew idiom is a play on the word "ground," adanah (BDB 9) and dust (BDB 779) from Gen. 2:7 and 3:19 (cf. Ps. 90:3; 104:29). The dust of the ground is metaphorically the holding place of the dead (i.e., Sheol, e.g., 1 Sam. 2:6; Job 14:13; Ps. 30:3; 49:14-15; 139:8; Isa. 38:10; Hos. 13:14; Amos 9:2).

    SPECIAL TOPIC: WHERE ARE THE DEAD

    ▣ "will awake" This VERB (BDB 884, KB 1098) is a Hiphil IMPERFECT. This is another Hebrew idiom of life from death (cf. 2 Kgs. 4:31; Jer. 51:39,57; Job 14:12). In Isa. 26:19 and here it denotes resurrection (see SPECIAL TOPIC: RESURRECTION). This is exactly the implication of Ezekiel's vision of the dry bones (cf. Ezekiel 37), but in an individual sense. Some will awake to everlasting joy (cf. Isa. 66:22-23) and others to everlasting contempt (cf. Isa. 66:24).
     
  2. FluffyYellowDuck

    FluffyYellowDuck Well-Known Member

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    Not feeling well so bear with me, but if nobody said it, I would look at the scripture of Samuel being raised up by the Witch of Endor at Sauls request and complaining about being disturbed of his rest.
     
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    farouk Well-Known Member

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    @FluffyYellowDuck Hoping you will feel well soon....your contribs. are appreciated ...
     
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  4. Aunty Jane

    Aunty Jane Well-Known Member

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    Since God's law forbade witchcraft and spirit mediums, should we believe a word she said? (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)
    Only the spirit medium saw "Samuel" and she conveyed what he said to Saul....who by then was an unfaithful King whom God's living prophets refused to speak to.....so why would a dead one, conjured up by someone God detested, even be believed?
     
  5. Pythagorean12

    Pythagorean12 Active Member

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    The issue here is, idioms aside, at death if the soul returns to God, no mention in the passage to an exception to that being damnation, what sleeps?
    When death is instantaneous and the soul instantly returns to God no thing sleeps when the flesh returns to the dust from which it sprang.
     
  6. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Let's use Jesus death as a guide ...when Jesus died, He remained in his physical body until His resurrection. He told Mary not to touch him yet...
    “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
    John 20:17 (KJV)
    The 3 days prior He was in Hell setting captives free.
     
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  7. Truth7t7

    Truth7t7 Well-Known Member

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    Your claim is "Error"

    2 Corinthians 5:8-10KJV
    8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
    9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
    10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    Luke 16:22-25KJV
    22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
    23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
    25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
     
  8. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Jesus still maintained the same body He had when crucified...and He still maintains a physical body but it is a glorified body.
    Just as we will have a glorified body....
    1st Corinthians 15 explains it in such detail that there is no confusion as to what happens when we die.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    1 Corinthians 15 (KJV)
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    ²⁰ But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
    ²¹ For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    ²² For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    ²³ But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    ²⁴ Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    ²⁵ For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    ²⁶ The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


    ²⁹ Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?


    ³⁵ But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
    ³⁶ Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
    ³⁷ And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
    ³⁸ But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
    ³⁹ All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
    ⁴⁰ There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
    ⁴¹ There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
    ⁴² So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
    ⁴³ It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
    ⁴⁴ It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    ⁴⁵ And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
    ⁴⁶ Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
    ⁴⁷ The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
    ⁴⁸ As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
    ⁴⁹ And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
    ⁵⁰ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    ⁵¹ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    ⁵² In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    ⁵³ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    ⁵⁴ So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    ⁵⁵ O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
    ⁵⁶ The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
     
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  10. FluffyYellowDuck

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    I was always thinking that we would be sleeping until he came back, but then thought of that verse in Luke you posted.

    At the same time, in that chapter, he is also telling a bunch of parables. So do you think it was a true story or Jesus explaining why people are judged once?

    I'm not sure.
     
  11. farouk

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    @FluffyYellowDuck We of course don't know the hour when the Lord Jesus will return for His church...

    (Glad to see you; hoping you are feeling better now...)
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    A cross reference to verse 25:
    “That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
    — Acts 26:23 (KJV)
    Jesus was the first to rise from the dead in his fleshly body.....
     
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    @Heart2Soul In Ephesians 1 the power of His Resurrection is indeed linked to His position of being Head over all things to the church... :)
     
  14. FluffyYellowDuck

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    Very true. Thank you. I'm doing alright but I think my brain is overstimulated a bit and my body is tired. I'm taking my brain on vacation.

     
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    Was Lazarus, Abraham, Moses, living humans at one time "Yes"

    Is The Story Told Regarding Humans That Lived And Died A Physical Death, And Speaks Of Their Soul And Comfort "Yes"

    Scripture also clearly teaches of the wicked's death and hell

    Psalm 55:15KJV
    15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
     
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    Oh good verse, @Truth7t7 .

    I never read that one before, or if I did I didn't think about it. The word "quick" catches my eye.

    This isn't really a subject that I have thought too much into, but it is interesting.
     
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    I still haven't seen anyone successfully refute these points
     
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    No he didn't. Luke 23:46

    Jesus wasn't dead at that time. He was resurrected in his glorified state.


    Jesus had no reason to go to Hell because no one is yet there. See all of the Book of Revelation .
    And because his victory for all souls living and returned to God was accomplished on the cross. All of John 19 and particularly verse 30.
     
  19. Truth7t7

    Truth7t7 Well-Known Member

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    Your claim is "Error" scripture teaches upon death the wicked go immediately to hell

    Revelation 20:11-15 clearly teaches that at the final judgement Hell will be delivered up, with those dead that are in it

    Psalm 55:15KJV
    15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

    Revelation 20:11-15KJV
    11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
     
  20. Pythagorean12

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    No error. No one is yet in Hell.
    And no one is yet in Heaven.

    Believe as you wish. But don't bring scripture in and twist it to fit your preferred narrative.
     
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