Good, stop it! Thanks.
Jesus fulfilled the the Torah by loving his neighbor and loving God first, and the age that the mosaic age was passed away.
If you don’t get those things idk what to tell you either.
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Good, stop it! Thanks.
Jesus fulfilled the the Torah by loving his neighbor and loving God first, and the age that the mosaic age was passed away.
If you don’t get those things idk what to tell you either.
soberxp
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That’s not the biblical narrative…
The biblical narrative deal with people of a certain age….
That was coming to an end when Jesus and John the Baptist showed up….
If you can read this message you can read the Gospels, especially an New Living Translation causes its super easier, or Easy to Read version.,,
Cause anyone can pop off a Bible verse they can remember but that doesn’t mean anything.
Try that first for oneself cause while you can remember some verses that doesn’t mean you don’t remember the whole narrative itself…
Try going over that a few times and get back to me.
Cause anyone can pop off a Bible verse they can remember but that doesn’t mean anything.
Try that first for oneself cause while you can remember some verses that doesn’t mean you don’t remember the whole narrative itself…
Try going over that a few times and get back to me.
Please present us with your credentials for being a Hebrew expert Matt. You don't seem to have any.
And no one has any authority concerning what people should believe or not believe either, @Jack.
Therefore, woo! What a comment. I really hate how people communicate on here it sucks.
Hurdy durdy dudry do....
People can look at biblehub, use a greek concordance, they can use a Vines hebrew and greek dictonary...
Or just stay ignorant. That is peoples choice.
Therefore, woo! What a comment. I really hate how people communicate on here it sucks.
Hurdy durdy dudry do....
People can look at biblehub, use a greek concordance, they can use a Vines hebrew and greek dictonary...
Or just stay ignorant. That is peoples choice.
Idk why people are just so ascertained to be a certain way, but people are always going to be this way. Especially when it comes to trying to dominate over people and the faith that they have, and they will have no problem telling you that you are wrong, all in spite of you may heartifully believe within oneself who has to make the choice in the first place.
I just say "who cares what people think, dont trust me or them."
Decide for yourself, cause it doesn't matter if a person is young or old, someone out there is gonna just straight up spit in your face and tell you are your wrong just for thinking, and that has happened to people in this world many a time.
Where people are religiously abused, and that is just the truth.
I just say "who cares what people think, dont trust me or them."
Decide for yourself, cause it doesn't matter if a person is young or old, someone out there is gonna just straight up spit in your face and tell you are your wrong just for thinking, and that has happened to people in this world many a time.
Where people are religiously abused, and that is just the truth.
"Lol, hellfire — it instantly brings Ifrit from Final Fantasy to mind."
Let me put it this way: "Hellfire is falling from the sky, raining down upon the earth."
But this isn’t a meteor shower. It’s something far more deliberate — battle-grade ballistics, blazing spheres of divine fury unleashed upon a nation marked for destruction. Unlike meteors that burn out and vanish, these Great Balls of Fire were a relentless downpour from the heavens — God’s judgment upon Israel in that time.
And then there’s the lake of fire — a concept that, too, originates from God. What you make of that is your own journey.
Personally, I believe people still pass through that fire — perhaps discovering the truth the hard way. But that’s the other path: the one that refines like those baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire.
Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell! Jesus said so!
Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
The time is at hand!
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The prophet Isaiah said that God's "fire is in Zion and His furnace in Jerusalem." (Is. 31:9).
You don't believe in Hell?
Matthew 5:22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
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That is "Gehenna" in that Matt. 5:22 verse - not the eternal state for the wicked dead, which is to perish in the judgment - both body and soul. Gehenna was a garbage dump in the Hinnom Valley outside Jerusalem.
The word "Hades" which is also translated as "Hell" simply means the grave. The same grave which Christ remained in for three days and three nights.
The "furnace of fire" was NOT Hell in any sense of the word.
LOL!!!
Luke 16:22-26 The rich man also died and was buried.
23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'
25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
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Remember, the "furnace of fire" is in Zion in Jerusalem, according to Isaiah 31:9. Both Death and Hell were going to be thrown INTO the "Lake of Fire" in Rev. 20:14. Which means that Hell cannot possibly be the Lake of Fire itself. This "Lake of Fire" was the "second death" which the city of Jerusalem experienced in the AD 70 period.
Death and Hell had come to plague the inhabitants of Jerusalem once before under the Babylonian invasion in 586 BC. The governors who ruled the people in Jerusalem had made a covenant with Death and Hell that these would not overcome them. But God said their covenant with Death and Hell would not stand - that when the overflowing scourge passed through, that they would be trodden down by it. (Isaiah 28:14-19). Death and the grave overcame the inhabitants of Jerusalem at its 586 BC flaming destruction.
As for the Luke 16 parable, this was describing the tormenting conditions inside the city of Jerusalem as it was being burned down for the second time in AD 70. The "rich man" with his "five brothers' represented the high priest Caiaphas and his five brothers-in-law, who all became high priests. When the "rich man" spoke of "my father's house" he was speaking of the temple and his father-in-law Annas the high priest. The "great gulf fixed" between Abraham and the "rich man" was the deep Kidron Valley between the burning Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives where all the patriarchs and prophets and resurrected righteous ones were gathered into the kingdom of heaven with the returning Christ in AD 70.
Christ spoke this Luke 16 parable as an incriminating story against the corrupt, avaricious high priesthood of the house of Annas who would all conspire against Him, with a veiled reference to the real Lazarus whom He would soon be raising from the dead. Even though Lazarus was raised from the dead, the Jewish priesthood still rejected Lazarus and desired to see him killed, along with Christ. So Abraham was right: even though one rose from the dead, the high priests would still have disregarded his message if Lazarus had been sent to the five high priest brothers of the "rich man" Caiaphas.
Hell fire and the Lake of fire will MERGE. Fire does not destroy fire.
Your opinion.
Not a shred of truth that it's a parable. Parables do not use literal Biblical people! Abraham, Moses ...
You will soon believe in the eternal Hell fire. Everybody will!
Rev 20 "They will be tormented day and night FOREVER..."
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Death and Hell were both thrown INTO the "Lake of Fire" which was also called "the second death". If something is thrown INTO something else, then those are not the same things. There is no such thing as "Hell-fire" in the way it is typically understood. Hell (Hades) is the GRAVE. Even Christ's body went into Hades (the GRAVE) for 3 days and 3 nights.
The "second death" is not correctly defined as an individual dying physically a second time. Hebrews 9:27 puts a limit on humanity being "appointed ONCE TO DIE" - not twice. So this "second death" cannot apply to a second physical death happening to a person - even in an after-life scenario.
Death and Hell were both thrown into Jerusalem on two separate occasions when the city and the temple was being destroyed by fire - coincidentally on the same day of the year in both 586 BC and 70 AD. The "Lake of Fire" was a first-century phenomena that Jerusalem experienced in AD 70 when the city, the temple, and the nation died by going up in flames for a second time.
The only "eternal fire" is the fiery stream issuing forth from before God's throne, as mentioned in Daniel 7:10. No man can stand before this Source of eternal consuming fire in the judgment and live through that experience - UNLESS they are a child of God in a glorified, resurrected body with Christ's imputed righteousness covering them.
That phrase in Rev. 20:10 is "eis ton aionon", meaning "to the ages". This is not perpetual torment that never has an ending. Ages have ending points. Paul wrote that the "ends of the ages" had then arrived (1 Cor. 10:11). This "torment" experienced by the Devil, the Scarlet Beast, and the false prophet in that Lake of Fire environment was ended at the "completion of the ages" in AD 70.
That's the very point I am making. Luke 16 is typically called a parable, but since it has specific persons named in the account, this was meant to represent actual persons and events. But it doesn't prove a perpetual tormented existence for the wicked dead in flames forever. It proves an AD 70 punishment for the corrupt high priests of Israel (like Caiaphas and his five brothers-in-law) who would see the patriarchs and the prophets (like the actual resurrected Lazarus) entering the kingdom of heaven with Abraham, etc. when Christ bodily returned to the Mount of Olives. They themselves would be "thrust out" of participating in this.
Hell is not fire??? Someone should have told Jesus.
Matthew 5:22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.
"Death" NEVER means 'cease to exist' in the Bible!
It's getting quite difficult to take you serious!
You have quite an unBiblical imagination.
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