+++++Hey I just got back from walking down each floor of my building praying in tongues,
Are you able to translate & understand everything you said ?
Are others also able to ?
Speaking in tongues?
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Are you able to translate & understand everything you said ?
Are others also able to ?
Acts 2:1-6 1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and [one] sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language.
In this context, "tongues" refers to languages. According to Strong's Greek dictionary (entry #1100), the word glossa implies a language, specifically one that the speaker did not naturally acquire.
When the Holy Spirit descended upon the apostles and everyone present, the individuals themselves were not the originators of the speech. Instead, the Holy Spirit spoke through them.
In this context, "tongues" refers to languages. According to Strong's Greek dictionary (entry #1100), the word glossa implies a language, specifically one that the speaker did not naturally acquire.
When the Holy Spirit descended upon the apostles and everyone present, the individuals themselves were not the originators of the speech. Instead, the Holy Spirit spoke through them.
1 Co 14:4
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
It's clear that there is a form of tongues that no one understands but God. A blind man may argue there is no light from the sun but those that have eyes to see, know other wise
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
It's clear that there is a form of tongues that no one understands but God. A blind man may argue there is no light from the sun but those that have eyes to see, know other wise
JimKnox
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Yanking Scriptures out of context can defend ANY practice.
One can take a verse out of context and defend golden calf worship because, after all, the Israelites did it.
Nonsense babbling these days is NOT a repeat of the Acts 2 miracle, no matter how one twists the narrative.
It's nonsense to you because you are spiritually blind. Show from the scripture that there is not a tongue that only God can understand. It's clear from the entire context of 1Cor 14 that Paul recognizes unknown tongues but that prophecy is better. However, in your error you will probably say prophecy has ceased.
JimKnox
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!
I get a kick out of people's replies like yours since you all assume I have just fallen off the turnip truck yesterday.
1st of all, you are demanding that I prove a negative. Perhaps you should return to logic class and look that one up.
2nd, you charismatics ALL assume that you are the only enlightened ones in all of Christianity with your special knowledge of so called spiritual gifts. That is just old fashioned Gnosticism, quite frankly.
3rd: you guys grab onto a word from the KJV that is italicized ( unknown ): meaning it was added by the translators and was not from the pen of Paul. Those tongues Paul is speaking of are KNOWN languages like Greek, Italian, Latin, Aramaic, Slavic, etc. We see this fact in the narrative of Acts. Fifteen nationalities were present and they HEARD the word of God in their OWN languages. The miracle was not the spoken word; it was the HEARD word. That much is obvious in the text.
Finally: I was saved in an United Pentecostal Church in Jan 1980 and followed that doctrine for ten years until I went to Bible College and ACTUALLY studied Scripture, Greek and Church history (among others). I know your doctrine better than you have demonstrated you do.
I have yet to meet a Charismatic who knows the history of the church at Corinth and why Paul was moved by the Holy Spirit to address that mess. You are no exception.
Grailhunter
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Guess again. The position isn't dependent on the word "unknown" It's hinged on this fact ...and this IS in the greek"
1 Co 14:2
speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Men understand Greek, Latin, and Aramaic...they do not understand the tongue that only God understands because in the Spirit, they speak MYSTERIES. This is clearly stated in the text.
AT Robertson:
LOL...you didn't learn much. Just enough to puff you up and make you think higher of yourself than you should.
Please, I have studied the scriptures for over 50 years and I am well acquainted with the history of Corinthian idolatry. That's not what Paul was addressing in 1Cor 14:2. He clearly sanctioned it as speaking to God alone. Humble yourself and you might actually learn something. Until then, you are like a blind man arguing that light doesn't exist.
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Grailhunter
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What Does the Bible Say About Speaking In Tongues?
Bible verses about Speaking In Tongues
JimKnox
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So you say.
But you are deceived. The Greek you just posted is Nestle-Aland, Westcott-Hort corruption.
You charismatics are all alike.
Ya'll have swallowed the Copeland-Hinn heresies.
LOL...it is the same in the Textus Receptus. There is no variance in the texts in this passage, Man, you are UNLEARNED
Textus Receptus:
There are false charismatics but it's sheer ignorance to say they are all the same. Is that who you followed for 10 years? Copeland-Hinn? Good thing you got away but you threw out the baby with the bathwater.
JimKnox
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In early Acts the tongues were understood by others
Are you able to understand/translate a tongue talker from today ?
Grailhunter
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There are different types of tongues. Some tongues were spoken and all heard them in their own languages. Some tongues are spoken and others interpret. Some tongues are just prayers to God.
What Does the Bible Say About Speaking In Tongues?
Bible verses about Speaking In Tongues
and those who pray to GOD in their UNKNOWN tongue, are they able to interpret what they are praying ?There are different types of tongues. Some tongues were spoken and all heard them in their own languages. Some tongues are spoken and others interpret. Some tongues are just prayers to God.
What Does the Bible Say About Speaking In Tongues?
Bible verses about Speaking In Tongueswww.openbible.info
If so, please list a confirmed example.
JimKnox
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Not a good source.There are different types of tongues. Some tongues were spoken and all heard them in their own languages. Some tongues are spoken and others interpret. Some tongues are just prayers to God.
What Does the Bible Say About Speaking In Tongues?
Bible verses about Speaking In Tongues
Tongues back then was a 'gift' that others could understand and used to spread the Gospel.
If that has happened 'today' then there would be occasions where someone with a phone recorded the confirmed event
eg if JK was a missionary in the remote jungle and all of a sudden started sharing the Gospel in the tribal language that HE DID NOT PREVIOUSLY KNOW, that would be WOW WOW WOW :)
Grailhunter
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LOL How do you expect me to confirm prayers in unknown tongues. Video.
Here is an explaination.....
Understanding Prayers in Unknown Tongues
In the Bible, “praying in an unknown tongue” means speaking in a language you do not know, often as a spiritual gift, with the Spirit’s involvement, but it is meant to be interpreted for the edification of the church.Biblical Context
The New Testament describes this gift in passages such as 1 Corinthians 14:4–17 and 1 Corinthians 14:14, where Paul writes that when someone prays in tongues, “my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful” unless the words are interpreted. In 1 Corinthians 14:2, Paul notes that speaking in tongues is “not to men but to God” and involves “mysteries in the Spirit”In Acts 2:4–11, the first recorded use of tongues occurred at Pentecost, when the apostles spoke in languages the listeners understood, enabling the gospel to be proclaimed. In the Corinthian context, tongues were a real language gift, not just “wordless groans,” and were to be interpreted so the congregation could be edified.
Purpose and Use
- Personal prayer: Tongues can be a way of praying directly to God, deepening personal communion.
- Corporate worship: In church settings, tongues should be accompanied by interpretation so others can understand and be built up
- Spiritual edification: Paul contrasts tongues with prophecy, saying prophecy edifies the church more unless tongues are interpreted.
Practical Guidance
- Seek interpretation: 1 Corinthians 14:13 says, “Let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret”
- Balance with understanding: Paul encourages praying “with the spirit and with the understanding also” (1 Corinthians 14:15)
- Discernment: The gift should be used in love, for the building up of the body of Christ, and in accordance with Scripture.
Summary
Praying in an unknown tongue is a spiritual experience where the believer communicates with God in a language they do not know, often as a gift of the Holy Spirit. While it can be deeply personal, the Bible emphasizes that in the church, it should be interpreted so that all can understand and be edified'
Grailhunter
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I don't think any source would be good for you....I guess scriptures are not a good source?
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