Spirit?

[Truther]

what is the actual substances of spirit, we know God is a Spirit, Jesus says so. and I do believe scripture states that God is the Father of spirits.

but what is spirit and the substances thereof? and also, just how powerful is spirit in comparison to the physical part of creation? which is greater, bla bla bla.

I'm not sure Christians as a whole really understand just what spirit is.

There is a bit of a difference between Spirit(light), and spirit(human etc. spirit).

The Creator of spirits is light by definition....


Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

 

[DPMartin]

one thing we must keep in mind, abstract and concrete are from our point of view. but please understand that we live in a created world, and not the real world, whom is God. for we have our being and movement in HIM. so God is more real than we, for all of this is nothing but a creation, a shadow of the REAL WORLD.

PICJAG.

what are you talking about? the Word of God came into this world via the Son of man. why would you say that God is real and imply He deals with what isn't real? maybe you should readjust your thinking on what is reality.

 

[Enoch111]

Faith has no substance?

We are talking about "spirit" having substance, not faith having a "substance", which is a metaphor for faith having the equivalent of spiritual or material reality. Faith is an ATTITUDE towards God. When you believe someone or trust someone that is an attitude or state of mind.

 

[DPMartin]

Makes me think of Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

good questions concerning spirit. Bondage. Or Liberty. 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Wouldn’t God be the Spirit of truth.

Hebrews 11:1-3 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [2] For by it the elders obtained a good report. [3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Romans 8:14-15 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. [15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 2 Timothy 1:7

1 Kings 22:21-23 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him. [22] And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. [23] Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

well Jesus said He Himself is the Truth the Way and the Life, yet Jesus says else ware He will send the comforter even the Spirit of Truth.
Truth would have to be a likeness correct? and the manifestation of the Truth of God would be the image of, correct? even the likeness and image of the lying spirit that volunteered, because God made the request for someone to lie for Him. because the Lord God can't lie Truth is a part of the substance of what the Lord God is, keep in mind He is Almighty Power also. one should understand in the case of that, the Lord God owns both side of the board so to speak. He is certainly Light in the Light but darkness is still His property to do what He please. as all creation is.


for example darkness isn't evil, but its most certainly evil for you. which brings into the question of judgement of what is good and evil. therefore there is God's Judgement and there is man's judgement. man seeking to be as god goes by his own judgement of what is good and evil.


Gen 3:5　 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.　


Gen 3:22　 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:　

so judgement of God is Life man's is otherwise this also brings the question of Judgement is of God that the result is Life therefore a substance of God's Spirit and being.(life everlasting mind you) Judgement Life Truth Mercy Righteousness (so many here claim to have) the Way, Wisdom Knowledge Understanding Love Faith and Hope that are of God mind you. there is much counterfeit out there that claims its of God.

but if the Christian doesn't understand spirit, its substance then how can he discern the simple Truth of God from the rest of the junk. but if he's not born again as Jesus says then he's not familiar with the Truth of God because the Spirit of Truth isn't there to tell him or reveal the Truth of God.

 

[DPMartin]

Spirit is immaterial and has no substance. It is not found in the natural realm but in the supernatural. God and the Holy Spirit are Spirits, and all angels are spirit beings (but they can also take human form).

lying is the substance of a lying spirit isn't it. or fear is the substance of the spirit of fear isn't it? likeness and image are the manifestations in the physical existence such as the lie and the result thereof. fear and the result thereof. he who is overwhelmed with fear responds in a predictable way doesn't he.

 

[DPMartin]

I think the question you are asking is not revealed to man. To probe further therein results only in speculation and ignorant mumbo jumbo.

the belief that spirit and the knowledge thereof is mumbo jumbo because many make it mumbo jumbo to the ignorant thereof is why no body seems to know. a spirit of conservative sensibilities may seem noble but its only because you don't really know, isn't it? and its established the God is a Spirit therefore one has to deal with it one way or another don't they?

 

[bbyrd009]

Clearly the correct translation is that God the Father is "a" Spirit.

For we see from Ephesians 4:4 that there is one Spirit.

For those of us who hold the kjv to be inspired and inerrant, there is only one conclusion.

Others may go to other translations to tell them what their itching ears want to hear.

or to Read in English

 

[bbyrd009]

I found this Blog...and thought you guys might enjoy it....
Is God Made of Energy?
Is God Made of Energy?
William Lane Craig — February 28, 2014

This is the weekly Q & A blog post by our Research Professor in Philosophy, Dr. William Lane Craig.

Question

Dr. Craig,

I read your excellent book "Creation out of Nothing" and I agree with it!

However, doesn't God need tremendous (if not infinite) energy to create something out of nothing? Is God's energy something rather than nothing? What is God's Mind made of if it is immaterial?

Obviously something must be eternal for there to be anything. And to avoid the problem of an infinite physical regression, it cannot be something physical.

Therefore is there a type of energy that is not physical that God uses to create? Or is He made up of immaterial energy?

Please let us know your thoughts about this, because many of us are not sure how this can be.

Many thanks,

In Christ,

Mark

United States

Dr. William Lane Craig’s Response

We shouldn’t think of God as literally made out of energy, Mark. For energy is a physical reality. Remember Einstein’s famous equation e = mc2? It tells us that energy and matter are basically interchangeable. Matter can be converted into energy and vice versa. As such, energy and matter are part of the created world. God created all the matter and energy in the universe.

So to say that God needed a tremendous amount of energy in order to create something out of nothing gets things backwards. He created the matter and energy out of nothing, that is to say, He created the matter and energy, period. What you really want to say, I think, is that God must be extraordinarily powerful, if not infinitely powerful, in order to create something from nothing. That claim is literally true. Indeed, the medieval theologian John Duns Scotus argued for divine omnipotence precisely because in order to bridge the chasm between being and non-being God would need to be infinitely powerful. Be that as it may, classical theism does affirm that God is omnipotent or maximally powerful.

Since God just is an infinite Mind, the question, “What is God’s Mind made of?” is no different than the question, “What is God made of?” The answer is that God is not made out of anything, anymore than your mind is made out of something. Philosophers routinely talk about realities that are not made out of anything, like minds, time, and mathematical objects. Unfortunately, we are so schooled in materialism that we find it difficult to free ourselves from its assumption.

So the only way to speak truthfully of God’s having great energy is metaphorical, not literal. But given the New Age talk of energy in a quasi-religious, impersonal, pantheistic sense, I think we would be well-advised to stay away from such misleading language. Better to talk literally and truthfully of God’s omnipotence and in corporeality.

amen, no persons in Yah!

 

[DPMartin]

There is a bit of a difference between Spirit(light), and spirit(human etc. spirit).

The Creator of spirits is light by definition....


Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

the Creator has said let there be Light, as far as seen, read about Moses who had seen the Lord God's back who also when he was receiving the law in the tabernacle could not be looked upon with out a veil because of the brightness of his face.

mind you he who walks in the Light walks with Lord God, and that is a practice since the beginnings of man. see Enoch or Noah. even A&E before they ate. or Abraham.

 

[Truther]

the Creator has said let there be Light, as far as seen, read about Moses who had seen the Lord God's back who also when he was receiving the law in the tabernacle could not be looked upon with out a veil because of the brightness of his face.

mind you he who walks in the Light walks with Lord God, and that is a practice since the beginnings of man. see Enoch or Noah. even A&E before they ate. or Abraham.

[5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all...


This is actual light.

God can also appear in other forms, but God is actually light by definition.

 

[Truther]

what are you talking about? the Word of God came into this world via the Son of man. why would you say that God is real and imply He deals with what isn't real? maybe you should readjust your thinking on what is reality.

God spoke THROUGH Jesus on this earth, not AS Jesus...

 

[Yan]

Many theologian were separate the churches and condemn the other as being false spirit. But they were deceived by their own limited understanding, everybody have their own spiritual battle in becoming to reborn as a new creation. Because everybody needs to overcome their struggle to transform into new creation who don't subjected to the rulers of the world (Galatians 4:1-29; Isaiah 7:13-16).
Because bible has clearly declares there is no distinction between churches and Holy Spirit were given to all men both for Protestant (John the baptist church) and Catholic Charismatic (St. Peter church).

1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.

So, if any churches condemn each other because they can't accept others; there is no fruit of Holy Spirit in them who condemn each other (Jude 1:19; Acts of the Apostles 19:2-4).

 

[OzSpen]

what is the actual substances of spirit, we know God is a Spirit, Jesus says so. and I do believe scripture states that God is the Father of spirits.

but what is spirit and the substances thereof? and also, just how powerful is spirit in comparison to the physical part of creation? which is greater, bla bla bla.

I'm not sure Christians as a whole really understand just what spirit is.

DP,

The OT speaks of the 'Spirit of the Lord' (Isa 61:1; Job 33:4) or the 'Spirit of God' (Gen 1:2). Thus, Spirit refers to the Holy Spirit. The word for 'Spirit' is the Hebrew, ruach -pneuma in the Greek NT.

When it is associated with the human spirit, it can mean:

• The immaterial part of human beings that is interchangeable with 'soul'. It's the unseen part of us that is associated with, (a) a person's emotional state; (b) breath or wind.

I find it simplest to leave it as simply defined by the Scriptures:

Matt 10:28 (NIV): 'Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell’. No ‘spirit’ here'. So, the soul/spirit lives on while the body is killed. The soul/spirit is much more powerful than the body. However, on Jesus' return, Christians will have new bodies.

James 2:26 (ESV): ‘For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead’. This is clear that the spirit keeps the body going.

Eccl 12:7 (ESV): ‘And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it’.

"Spirit" represents something non-physical and normally invisible. We can conclude, except in the one case where "spirit," ruach, or pneuma describes a being that has revealed itself, that spirit is never seen. All that is ever seen is what spirit causes, motivates, inspires, encourages, impels, triggers, stirs, provokes, stimulates, influences, or activates. Why? Because in every other sense, except where spirit clearly means a spirit being who has revealed himself, spirit is seen as a function of the mind, whether it is God's mind, angel's mind, or man's mind (John D Ritenbaugh).​

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

God spoke THROUGH Jesus on this earth, not AS Jesus...

Wasn't Jesus God? (John 1:1; 10:30)

 

[Truther]

Wasn't Jesus God? (John 1:1; 10:30)

Not yet.

Jesus said God was someone else....


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Jesus was made God by default(Col 2:9)after he resurrected.

 

[OzSpen]

Not yet.

Jesus said God was someone else....

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus was made God by default(Col 2:9)after he resurrected.

Truther,

In the Greek New Testament, John 4:24 begins with the words, πνεῦμα ὁ θεός.... Since your pen name is Truther, would you please translate these 3 words for me so I can better understand the truth of your theology?

Many thanks,
Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Not yet.

Jesus said God was someone else....

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus was made God by default(Col 2:9)after he resurrected.

Truther,

Would you please help me to understand your position regarding Jesus' deity? Are you saying that when Jesus was on earth he was not God, but was becoming God - after the resurrection?

Thanks,
Oz

 

[quietthinker]

the belief that spirit and the knowledge thereof is mumbo jumbo because many make it mumbo jumbo to the ignorant thereof is why no body seems to know. a spirit of conservative sensibilities may seem noble but its only because you don't really know, isn't it? and its established the God is a Spirit therefore one has to deal with it one way or another don't they?

You speak confusion.

 

[OzSpen]

Not yet.

Jesus said God was someone else....


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Jesus was made God by default(Col 2:9)after he resurrected.

That makes your teaching that of an adoptionist/dynamic monarchian, which was declared a heresy in the 2nd century. Yours is a non-trinitarian view that should not be promoted on this forum.

 

[Earburner]

yes and no

there's the spirit of fear for instance and we know devils and the like are spirit so on and so forth. but in the case of God one could ponder what does God look like seeing He is a Spirit. thing is just what is the substances of spirit? its something we might be wise to understand clearly.

for example a sporting event were the home crowed has spirit and its manifest when the home team does well.

Actually no. That would be the wrong parallel to make, with God the Father who
"is A spirit"- KJV- John 4:24.

The fact of the matter is, by the words Jesus, is God the Father made known to us
John 1
[18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Col. 1[12] Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[14] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

> I tend to believe that the word "image" is not to be understood that Jesus is a replica, duplicate or carbon copy of what the Father looks like, but rather how Jesus was "brought forth" from out of God's thoughts of who Jesus is, in the Father.
Prov. 8[24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.[
25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

Heb. 10[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: