Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them

[marksman]

No longer necessary today.

Who says so apart from you?

 

[marksman]

The gifts did diminish in importance and rightfully so

No they didn't. I get regular reports from around the world of the gifts in operation.

 

[Behold]

The problem with most people is that they erroneously assume it was written to us; it wasn't,

You are trying o teach "bible" and you don't believe the bible was written to "us".
That's absurd, and seriously self deceived.

Do you know who Paul is?
Do you know what a gentile is, as compared to a Jew?

Paul, was called by JESUS, to bring the Gospel, the Cross, to the "Gentiles".
Are you a Jew?
Then you are a Gentile, and Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles'.
Paul wrote the Church Doctrine...... this "apostle to the gentiles'... wrote most of the Epistles, and all the Church Doctrine.

Do you know what the "epistles are?
They are the NT....and most written by the Apostle to the GENTILES.

 

[marksman]

Regardless what you call them be it gifts or manifestations of the spirit, they have all ceased long ago and will not be present until the Lord returns.

I feel sorry for you that you have reduced God to just someone who says things but doesn't mean them.

 

[marksman]

They are dead, so by virtue of their death, the miraculous gifts or manifestations of the Spirit have ceased

Have they? Which planet do you live on?

 

[marksman]

think they claim that the Bible (NT) is the perfect which has come.

Which is a concept they invented to explain away the gifts of the Spirit

 

[St. SteVen]

Which is a concept they invented to explain away the gifts of the Spirit

Exactly.
It seems that Cesssationism was created to answer the question people were having:
"Why isn't God showing up at our church and doing miracles like in the Bible?"
Their answer: "The sign gifts are no longer needed."
Which doesn't really satisfactorily answer the question.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I couldn't be more wrong, why, because you said so? The scriptures bear me out.

like what? You're moving your mouth but nothing is coming out!

 

[DJT_47]

You are trying o teach "bible" and you don't believe the bible was written to "us".
That's absurd, and seriously self deceived.

Do you know who Paul is?
Do you know what a gentile is, as compared to a Jew?

Paul, was called by JESUS, to bring the Gospel, the Cross, to the "Gentiles".
Are you a Jew?
Then you are a Gentile, and Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles'.
Paul wrote the Church Doctrine...... this "apostle to the gentiles'... wrote most of the Epistles, and all the Church Doctrine.

Do you know what the "epistles are?
They are the NT....and most written by the Apostle to the GENTILES.

Were the epistles written to us, literally to us, today, our generation, addressing our issues? Were the Corinthian letters written to us? Was the Ephesian letter written to us? And on, and on. That's not to say they have no applicability to us, they do. There are principles to be learned and applied that are universal and timeless like those dealing with salvation and how one is saved, but we must be careful to keep things in context, understanding to whom they were written and why, and then learn from the scriptures and apply them appropriately to us as they may. The nature of sin doesn't change nor the remedy for it. The body of Christ was and is still the body of Christ, his church. But we now have the unchanging word of God, the bible, as our guide. Wake up!

 

[St. SteVen]

The Apostle said:

1 Corinthians 14:18 NIV
I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.

1 Corinthians 14:39 NIV
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy,
and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

1 Corinthians 2:4-5 NIV
My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words,
but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not
rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

 

[Behold]

Were the epistles written to us, literally to us, today, our generation, addressing our issues? Were the Corinthian letters written to us? Was the Ephesian letter written to us? And on, and on. Wake up! You are the one that is making absurd statements. Keep on rambling.

"time of the gentiles"

Paul is the "Apostle to the gentiles"

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Were the epistles written to us, literally to us, today, our generation, addressing our issues? Were the Corinthian letters written to us? Was the Ephesian letter written to us? And on, and on. That's not to say they have no applicability to us, they do. There are principles to be learned and applied that are universal and timeless like those dealing with salvation and how one is saved, but we must be careful to keep things in context, understanding to whom they were written and why, and then learn from the scriptures and apply them appropriately to us as they may. The nature of sin doesn't change nor the remedy for it. The body of Christ was and is still the body of Christ, his church. But we now have the unchanging word of God, the bible, as our guide. Wake up!

It is was written by an apostle then it is scripture, and all scripture is to God's children then and now. Now if you are so much part of the world that you cannot relate to the righteousness in the Bible, then you've got a problem.

 

[DJT_47]

It is was written by an apostle then it is scripture, and all scripture is to God's children then and now. Now if you are so much part of the world that you cannot relate to the righteousness in the Bible, then you've got a problem.

You don't know what you're talking about. The Corinthian letters were written to THEM not us as an example.

1 Cor 1:1-3

1Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

You don't know what you're talking about. The Corinthian letters were written to THEM not us as an example.

Who were the Ten Commandments written to? Or the Beattitudes, for that matter.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You don't know what you're talking about. The Corinthian letters were written to THEM not us as an example.

1 Cor 1:1-3
1Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

All "commandments of the Lord" are written to everyone in the New Covenant. You are making excuses for your unbelief. You do not have the faith of a child. Only a fool would take Paul's writings to the Colosians, the Corinthians, the Galatians, the Ephesians or any other epistle as not for us today

 

[DJT_47]

All "commandments of the Lord" are written to everyone in the New Covenant. You are making excuses for your unbelief. You do not have the faith of a child. Only a fool would take Paul's writings to the Colosians, the Corinthians, the Galatians, the Ephesians or any other epistle as not for us today

And only a fool would take them out of context by not recognizing they weren't written to us. They are addressed to them not us.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

And only a fool would take them out of context by not recognizing they weren't written to us. They are addressed to them not us.

In other words, you do not believe the letters from Paul are scriptures.

2 Peter 3:15-16
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[DJT_47]

In other words, you do not believe the letters from Paul are scriptures.

2 Peter 3:15-16
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You said that, I didn't. Don't change the subject. Were you a member of the Cor congregation 2000 yrs ago? If not, the letter wasn't addressed to you. An imbecile can understand that.

 

[St. SteVen]

An imbecile can understand that.

"You said that, I didn't." - LOL

 

[1stCenturyLady]

And only a fool would take them out of context by not recognizing they weren't written to us. They are addressed to them not us.

But he's not teaching them anything just for them. He teaches the same gospel to all. So if you don't want to be wise, then don't read them. You may be right. You may not be able to understand them anyway.