St. Patrick kept the Sabbath.

[Ronald Nolette]

I was going to reply. However I find my spirit is not in it. I shall pray for you.

Let me ask you a sincere question.

Do you believe that is perfectly fine for Behold to declare Calvin and his five points (which really are not his) demonic and not show from Scripture why?

Do you believe it is perfectly fine for Behold to call people brainwashed, or say they believe in something after he has been told that is untrue but yet continues to say someone believes it?

Do you believe it is fine for Behold to make allegations and accusations and assaults on ones belief and character and not be challenged to give biblical reasons why?

I would love to see what you hold on these matters.

 

[Hobie]

Let me ask you a sincere question.

Do you believe that is perfectly fine for Behold to declare Calvin and his five points (which really are not his) demonic and not show from Scripture why?

Do you believe it is perfectly fine for Behold to call people brainwashed, or say they believe in something after he has been told that is untrue but yet continues to say someone believes it?

Do you believe it is fine for Behold to make allegations and accusations and assaults on ones belief and character and not be challenged to give biblical reasons why?

I would love to see what you hold on these matters.

Calvin was wrong in some points, but at least he was trying to understand the truth and working towards it, like many Christians today. So you cant call all these believers even if not understanding the full truth from God, 'demonic'.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Calvin was wrong in some points, but at least he was trying to understand the truth and working towards it, like many Christians today. So you cant call all these believers even if not understanding the full truth from God, 'demonic'.

fully agree! Calvin and the other reformers were coming out of the dark ages of the reign of Romanism. They had only begun to learn Scripture and have access to it on a regular basis. I expect them to hold to many doctrines we now know to be faulty in part or in whole.

 

[BlessedPeace]

fully agree! Calvin and the other reformers were coming out of the dark ages of the reign of Romanism. They had only begun to learn Scripture and have access to it on a regular basis. I expect them to hold to many doctrines we now know to be faulty in part or in whole.

Except Calvin didn't originate the reformed doctrine.It pre-existed him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Except Calvin didn't originate the reformed doctrine.It pre-existed him.

We are not speaking of the reformed doctrine per se as I am talking about the protestant reformation that gave birth to protestantism and opened the masses to studying Scripture.

Yes Romanism has many reformed principles in it. Same with Dispensational believers have reformed concepts. that is simply because the ones for the most part all agree on are biblical.

Even though I firmly believe teh "five points of Calvinism" are very biblical, I do not accept reformed theology as I have serious disagreements with it is many areas.

 

[Hobie]

fully agree! Calvin and the other reformers were coming out of the dark ages of the reign of Romanism. They had only begun to learn Scripture and have access to it on a regular basis. I expect them to hold to many doctrines we now know to be faulty in part or in whole.

They were on the right path to truth till they began to fight over who had it and hunkered down into 'creeds' which locked down any continued advancement of the fulness of truth and led to disunity among the churches of the Reformation....

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They were on the right path to truth till they began to fight over who had it and hunkered down into 'creeds' which locked down any continued advancement of the fulness of truth and led to disunity among the churches of the Reformation....

Believe it or not, everybody and every church create creeds.

Creeds are simply lisitng a series of things believed..

Even if you reject all the "creeds" written that are out there, you have your own creed.

 

[Jay Ross]

They were on the right path to truth till they began to fight over who had it and hunkered down into 'creeds' which locked down any continued advancement of the fulness of truth and led to disunity among the churches of the Reformation....

And Hobbie you have made creeds concerning who the beasts and the Little Horn are, where you claim that they are humans, which is locking any continued advancement of the fulness of the truth of the scriptures, from the actual reality of the scriptures where the beasts and the Little Horn are fallen Heavenly Hosts.

 

[Hobie]

Believe it or not, everybody and every church create creeds.

Creeds are simply lisitng a series of things believed..

Even if you reject all the "creeds" written that are out there, you have your own creed.

Yes, but in the case of the Reformation, it kept them from uniting and turning to face the real foe and his apostate church. It was a tremendous opportunity lost as they say..

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Calvin was wrong in some points, but at least he was trying to understand the truth

Too bad he didn't use God's written word!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, but in the case of the Reformation, it kept them from uniting and turning to face the real foe and his apostate church. It was a tremendous opportunity lost as they say..

You must remember the times they were living in. It was a time of great political, social and spiritual upheaval. The bible was finally available for all to study (thank you Hus, Tyndale, Luther and Guttenberg). Doctrines were being tossed out wholesale from Romanism. There was no fformal method of exegesis and hermeneutics. It is only natural to see disagreement on issues.

But the amazing thin is this: Even in the early church there were divisions and disagreements.

Between Jewish and Gentile believers. Between churches taught byt different leaders etc. It is natural and unfortunately a part of the faith.

chritianity has always been messy, but one thing we are all united on is the death and resurrection of Jesus for sin.

 

[Hobie]

Too bad he didn't use God's written word! View attachment 40259

Well, many have that problem today...What can you do...

 

[Hobie]

You must remember the times they were living in. It was a time of great political, social and spiritual upheaval. The bible was finally available for all to study (thank you Hus, Tyndale, Luther and Guttenberg). Doctrines were being tossed out wholesale from Romanism. There was no fformal method of exegesis and hermeneutics. It is only natural to see disagreement on issues.

But the amazing thin is this: Even in the early church there were divisions and disagreements.

Between Jewish and Gentile believers. Between churches taught byt different leaders etc. It is natural and unfortunately a part of the faith.

chritianity has always been messy, but one thing we are all united on is the death and resurrection of Jesus for sin.

Very true...When we look back and try to say, well we could of done this or that, but we werent there.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Well, many have that problem today...What can you do...

IGNORE the teachings of John Calvin and other cult leaders for starters!

That's what is so strange about seminary and bible colleges... they spend very little time studying God's Word and almost all their time studying books by guys who write about what they thought the Lord meant based on the wisdom of man void of the Holy Ghost.

They should stick with God's Word!