Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Taken]

@Taken, you assert that Jesus was speaking to the unsaved in Matt. 24:13, but He wasn't addressing people who were or are already unsaved because He didn't say "but he the unsaved who perseveres to the end will be saved". If He was, then He would've said that. Therefore, you not only misunderstand Matt. 24:13, but other verses as well that you think support your OSAS belief. Not every belief can be right.

If you read, learned, believed, trusted, (and Spiritually Understood )the mystery revealed, you would Know and Understand WhO that verse was Speaking TO and WHY it ONLY applied to Them…not the already Saved…not unbelievers.

Even a child can understand, they don’t hope to receive, to keep, what they Already Eternally Have.

You are stubborn…what God called stiffed necked… in the OT and …said to the stubborn in the NT…

Acts. 7:
[51] Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

If you were Saved and Had the Holy Spirit IN you…you would Know…it IS Gods Spirit IN you, Gods Power IN you, that Keeps a man Saved and Nothing would require that man to hope, keep trying, preserver…what that man Has Already accomplished Obeying God exactly what God requires for a man to Be Saved!!

 

[Taken]

What could be more demonic than teaching that God created evil …

Isa 45:
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Do you even Read Scritpure?

 

[Taken]

You post your perverted Arminian interpretation of the scriptures, because you have obviously been brainwashed by the demonic theology of Arminianism, where you need to twist every single Bible verse to force into your demonic Arminianism.

You foolishly believe that an elect Saint of God can have their names removed from the book of life. But, there s no such stupid thing anywhere in the bible. You just made that up to support your Arminian heresy.

You need to show me a single example of God removing anyone's name from the book of life, otherwise it will prove that you are under strong delusion.

Actually …Every mortal person born alive Has their name in “Gods Book of Life”.
Their Name is Blotted Out, “ IF “ they mortally die in unbelief.

When Judgement day arrives… and the Book(S) / of Evidence are opened… that individual, before the Judge, will not be accounted Alive…thus destroyed forgotten.

The Lambs Book of Life, a man’s Name is entered on the Day that man Becomes, Soul Saved and Spirit Born Again…( by, through, of the Lamb of God )…
Their Name can Never be Blotted out of the Lambs Book of Life, nor Gods Book of Life.

Phil 4:3
Rev 3:5
Rev 13:8
Rev 17:8
Rev 20:8
Rev 20:12
Rev 21:27
Rev 22:19

 

[Taken]

Jesus isn't incoherent now, and He wasn't then. If, in Matt. 24:13 Jesus was speaking to people who were or are already unsaved like you believe and assert, then He would've said, "But he the unsaved who perseveres to the end will be saved", but He didn't, because He wasn't. You're clinging to a belief where you have to add the word "unsaved" to Matt. 24:13 in order to "support" that belief. If this belief of yours in question was true, then you wouldn't need to do that. Not every belief can be true, @Taken. Holding a false belief without realizing it is in and of itself not a poor reflection on you. Thank you for your consideration.

You are not qualified to decide what The Lord should or shouldn’t have said.

You reveal you are not qualified to have a worthy, meaningful Spiritual Conversation.

I do not know you, have never read what you claim as your standing… but have suspicions by what you do and do not post.

Persevere, keep hoping you will be obedient and become saved…

Unlike you…I will continue to remain Saved, Because I obeyed God…

 

[Christian Soldier]

Actually …Every mortal person born alive Has their name in “Gods Book of Life”.
Their Name is Blotted Out, “ IF “ they mortally die in unbelief.

When Judgement day arrives… and the Book(S) / of Evidence are opened… that individual, before the Judge, will not be accounted Alive…thus destroyed forgotten.

The Lambs Book of Life, a man’s Name is entered on the Day that man Becomes, Soul Saved and Spirit Born Again…( by, through, of the Lamb of God )…
Their Name can Never be Blotted out of the Lambs Book of Life, nor Gods Book of Life.

Phil 4:3
Rev 3:5
Rev 13:8
Rev 17:8
Rev 20:8
Rev 20:12
Rev 21:27
Rev 22:19

No, it's not true that every mortal person born alive has their name in "Gods Book of life".I have no idea who taught you this nonsense, but it's certainly not true and that means someone has lied to you.
You will not find a single verse in the bible to support this lie.

Phil 4:3 has nothing to do with the Book of life, so not sure why you included it.

Rev 3:5 doesn't support the heretic lie that someone's name can be blotted out from the book of life. "I will not blot his name out of from the book of life" doesn't mean "I will blot his name out from the book of life". Can you see the problem with your opinion there, Rev 3:5 simply doesn't support your opinion.

Rev 13:8 doesn't help you either, it simply makes the point that all those who's names are not in the book of life will worship the Antichrist. So their names were never in the book of life so they can't be removed from somewhere they never were, in the first place.

Rev 17:8 is also unrelated and irrelevant. Rev 20:8 is also unrelated

Rev 20:12 is speaking about judgement day, so what are you trying to make of it?

Rev 21:27 confirms that only those who's names are in the book of life shall enter heaven. Again, there's nothing in that verse to support your unbiblical doctrine either.

Rev 22:19 is obviously confirming that there are "false Christians", you know the Judas Iscariot types, who pervert the Word of God, by adding or taking away from hat God has said. They were never in the book of life, but they attended Church, they preached a false gospel, they made a false profession of faith, but they were members of the Church on paper and Jesus tells them "depart from Me, into the lake of fire, you workers of iniquity"

There's not a single verse in the bible to support this heresy, that any name can be added to the Book of Life (which by the way was written before man existed), nor can anyone's name be removed. God elected His people and wrote every single one's name inn the book of life before time began and before we existed. The number of them was fixed in eternity past and there's nothing you do to force Gods hand to add your name and there's nothing I can do to cause God to remove my name.

You will not find anything in the bible to challenge what I've just said. If you do, I'll join your religion immediately, but I'm 100% sure you won't.

 

[Taken]

…not true
…nonsense
…certainly not true
…someone has lied to you
…this lie
…heretic lie
…unbiblical doctrine
…heresy

Seriously…you think a long winded roll of accusations magically makes you creditable?

Phil 4:3 has nothing to do with the Book of Life

Phil 4:
[3] And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

You will not find anything in the bible to challenge what I've just said. If you do, I'll join your religion immediately, but I'm 100% sure you won't.

Obviously, your strength is making false allegations and your weakness is being ignorant of what Scripture says.

No worries… I have no desire to be adjoined with you.

 

[Sabé]

You are not qualified to decide what The Lord should or shouldn’t have said.

I didn't say that Jesus should or shouldn't have said anything. I said that Jesus isn't incoherent now, and He wasn't then. If, in Matt. 24:13 Jesus was speaking to people who were or are already unsaved like you believe and assert, then He would've said, "But he the unsaved who perseveres to the end will be saved", but He didn't, because He wasn't. You're clinging to a belief where you have to add the word "unsaved" to Matt. 24:13 in order to "support" that belief. If this belief of yours in question was true, then you wouldn't need to do that.

I will continue to remain Saved, Because I obeyed God

You are already saved and will remain saved because you have obeyed God? As in past tense? So, you no longer have to obey God now that you're saved? Since you're saved, you could disobey God, and remain saved? These are just more problems your false belief causes.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Seriously…you think a long winded roll of accusations magically makes you creditable?




Phil 4:
[3] And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.




Obviously, your strength is making false allegations and your weakness is being ignorant of what Scripture says.

No worries… I have no desire to be adjoined with you.

Phil 4:3 says noting about being added to the book of life or being removed from the book of life, so why did you include it in your attack.

You haven't defended any of the charges I brought against you, trying to brush them off as "false allegations" without any credible defence, exposes your guilt.

It's not up to me, to join you to the Body of Christ. That decision was made by God, before the world was created. If your name is not in the book of life, then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, so you won't be joined to me because I'm going to spend eternity in paradise.

 

[Taken]

You're clinging to a belief where you have to add the word "unsaved" to Matt. 24:13

False.
I added nothing to Matt 24:13.

You are already saved and will remain saved because you have obeyed God? As in past tense?

Had you repeated my statement, you would have finally said something that was not False.

Since you asked questions about what I Said…you remain without understanding.
Not surprised.

So, you no longer have to obey God anymore now that you're saved?

Your words, not mine.
Verifying your Ignorance.
Not surprised.

You can just disobey Him if you want and remain saved?

Your words, not mine.

These are just more problems your false belief causes.

I have Zero problems Because you think you asking questions, you gaslighting, is my problem.
How ignorant.

Why don’t You Stop worrying about me…and Become Saved?

 

[Taken]

Phil 4:3 says noting about being added to the book of life or being removed from the book of life,

So what? Never said, Phil 4:3 said, adding to the book of life.
Simply revealed, All scripture that Mentions the Book(s) of Life.

so why did you include it in your attack.

Giving you the References that you might, actually, read, study, learn, about the book(s) of Life, and Overcome your ignorance.
Not surprised, too much effort.

You haven't defended any of the charges I brought against you,

LOL. I have zero requirement to Defend my Blessings and Gifts From God to the likes of you.

trying to brush them off as "false allegations"

Yep…your false allegations are but stubble and dust to be brushed off as meaningless.

without any credible defence, exposes your guilt.

You have absurdly, ignorantly, mistaken yourself, as my Judge…

It's not up to me, to join you to the Body of Christ.

WOW… LOL…No kidding…

That decision was made by God, before the world was created.

Right God is The Judge… not you.

If your name is not in the book of life,

…

I have No wondering “IF’s”.

then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, so you won't be joined to me because I'm going to spend eternity in paradise.

…like your pal @Sabe… keep hoping, keep persevering… and you might spend eternity in paradise.

According to Gods Word and my True and Faithful Obedient Surrender to the Lord God Almighty, my Name is IN the heavenly Book(S) of Evidence, and I already reside IN CHRIST…who IS IN Paradise.



@ Sabe

 

[Taken]

You said Jesus was speaking to those who were and are already unsaved, but Jesus didn't say, "But he the unsaved who perseveres to the end will be saved", but rather "But he who perseveres to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13), and thus you're adding the words "the unsaved" that weren't originally there.




They are my words, that's correct, and those words formed a rhetorical question directed at you: "You no longer have to obey God now that you're saved?" You said that you're saved and will remain saved because you obeyed God. Do you deny that because you're saved you no longer have to obey God now?



They are my words, that's correct, and those words formed a rhetorical question directed at you: "Since you're saved, you could disobey God, and remain saved?" You said that you're saved and will remain saved because you obeyed God. Do you deny that because you're saved you could disobey God and remain saved?

Yawn.

Your ignorance is boring.

I obey-ED…past tense, surrendered my Life to the Lord God…

And You ignorantly Wonder… Even “So” blah, blah Imply, Conclude….I can thereafter Not Obey God?

Are you so ignorant, you do NOT Comprehend… Me having already Willingly Surrendered my Life to the Lord….Was me (past tense Obeying). Willingly Giving the Lord Total Control over my Life?

Really? you wonder, while the Lord is Controlling my Life… IF… any Disobedience to God… is an Option…?


Maybe Sunday school with Little Children would land you with a Teacher who teaches Little Children …Gods Offerings, Gods Promises, Gods Power of Keeping those IN Christ Faithful to the lord God Almighty Forever!!

 

[Taken]

So, that's your long way of saying when you became saved is when you gave up your free will, and since then everything that you say and do is actually God speaking and acting, correct?

You speaking for me, is not correct.

No I did not surrender my FREEWILL…

I EXERCISED my FREEWILL to Obey God, to Testify to The Lord … by my Word of my True Heartful Belief IN the Lord God Almighty.

I EXERCISED my FREEWILL to obey God;
To Establish my Standing WITH God;
To Believe.
To Repent.
To confess my Belief.
To Surrender my Life, (my body) unto Death; WITH Christ Jesus.

And I Trust ONCE and For Ever, HE, Christ Jesus, who IS Truth, who IS all powerful, Fulfilled His Word, IN me, and IS Always and For Ever WITH me.

No clue your belief or your standing, but do see you blather on and on and on and on about irrelevant, insignificant side tracking.

 

[Sabé]

Yawn.

Your ignorance is boring.

I obey-ED…past tense, surrendered my Life to the Lord God…

And You ignorantly Wonder… Even “So” blah, blah Imply, Conclude….I can thereafter Not Obey God?

Are you so ignorant, you do NOT Comprehend… Me having already Willingly Surrendered my Life to the Lord….Was me (past tense Obeying). Willingly Giving the Lord Total Control over my Life?

Really? you wonder, while the Lord is Controlling my Life… IF… any Disobedience to God… is an Option…?


Maybe Sunday school with Little Children would land you with a Teacher who teaches Little Children …Gods Offerings, Gods Promises, Gods Power of Keeping those IN Christ Faithful to the lord God Almighty Forever!!

So, that's your long way of saying from the moment that you became saved you gave up your free will, and since then it's been God controlling everything that you think, say and do. That means, for example, I'm not really talking to you, but rather God.

[This conversation is going to get even more interesting now]

No I did not surrender my FREEWILL…

But God, You just said that after @Taken obeyed you of her own free will and became saved, that's when she gave You "total control over her life". That means she surrendered her free will ("the ability to act at one's own discretion") after using it to become saved and give you full control of her. Therefore, for You to say she didn't surrender her free will is a lie, and thus a sin, and why are You, as @Taken, speaking that lie when You just explained that after a person becomes saved, and gives You control of all their thoughts, words, and actions, sinning is no longer an option?

 

[Taken]

So, that's your long way of saying from the moment that you became saved you gave up your free will, and since then it's been God controlling everything that you think, say and do. That means, for example, I'm not really talking to you, but rather God.

[This conversation is going to get even more interesting now]



But God, having free will means having the ability to act at one's own discretion, and You just said that @Taken gave You "total control over her life" when she became saved, which means that from that point on she no longer possesses the ability to act at her own discretion, and thus she did surrender her free will. Therefore, for You to say she didn't surrender her free will is a lie, and thus a sin, and why are You as @Taken speaking that lie when You just explained that after a person becomes saved, and gives You control over their thoughts, words, and actions, sinning is no longer an option?

You are so out of touch…you can not grasp …

Humans have earthly, natural relationships with other humans.

Humans can ALSO have a Spiritual Relationship with God.

God is Spirit… my relationship WITH God is Spiritual….my bodily death was Spiritual…my Receipt of Salvation, of Being born Again, of His Blessings, of His Gifts, of our Conversations, of everything between He and I is Spiritual…

What does that have to do with my FREEWILL, to tend animals, change the oil, shop, eat what I want, blah, blah, blah?

 

[Sabé]

You are so out of touch…you can not grasp …

Humans have earthly, natural relationships with other humans.

Humans can ALSO have a Spiritual Relationship with God.

God is Spirit… my relationship WITH God is Spiritual….my bodily death was Spiritual…my Receipt of Salvation, of Being born Again, of His Blessings, of His Gifts, of our Conversations, of everything between He and I is Spiritual…

What does that have to do with my FREEWILL, to tend animals, change the oil, shop, eat what I want, blah, blah, blah?

God, You just said that after @Taken obeyed you of her own free will and became saved, that's when she gave You "total control over her life". To be controlled means no longer having the ability to act at one's own discretion. Therefore, from the moment @Taken gave You total control of her life, the desires, thoughts, words, and actions of @Taken aren't really Taken's, but rather Yours God, because You are now controlling her. Now, from the moment that You took control of @Taken, You have never forced her to commit sins, is that correct?

 

[Taken]

God, You just said that after @Taken obeyed you of her own free will and became saved, that's when she gave You "total control over her life". To be controlled means no longer having the ability to act at one's own discretion. Therefore, from the moment @Taken gave You total control of her life, the desires, thoughts, words, and actions of @Taken aren't really Taken's, but rather Yours God, because You are now controlling her. Now, from the moment that You took control of @Taken, You have never forced her to commit sins, is that correct?

WOW.. what an out of touch load of gobbledygook.

 

[Sabé]

Sabé said:
God, You just said that after @Taken obeyed you of her own free will and became saved, that's when she gave You "total control over her life". To be controlled means no longer having the ability to act at one's own discretion. Therefore, from the moment @Taken gave You total control of her life, the desires, thoughts, words, and actions of @Taken aren't really Taken's, but rather Yours God, because You are now controlling her. Now, from the moment that You took control of @Taken, You have never forced her to commit sins, is that correct?

WOW.. what an out of touch load of gobbledygook.

And, that's exactly why you need to reevaluate your OSAS belief.

 

[Taken]

And, that's exactly why you need to reevaluate your OSAS belief.

Are you claiming to to be Saved?

 

[Rockerduck]

I been saved over 40 years and never has my salvation been in doubt. I know my savior loves me, and I Him. I could never go anywhere without Jesus because He is always with me, helping me through this world of toil and trouble.
Psalm 139:13-16 -
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
and knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!
Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it.
15 You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
16 You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed.

Before King David was born, his name was written in God's book. Everything David will ever do, before he was born. Those of us who are chosen, born again from above, have their names in the book of life before they are born also. Jesus knows His sheep, and we know His voice.
Hebrews 13:5 - Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

 

[Taken]

I didn't claim anything, so if you meant to ask would I claim to be saved (reached eternal life in Heaven), then my answer is no, because I'm still living on earth. If I was living in Heaven right now, then I could say that I am saved (reached eternal life in Heaven). Will I be saved (reach eternal life in Heaven)? Jesus says that a person will reach eternal life in Heaven if they persevere (in obeying His commandments, overcoming trials/tribulations, sincerely repenting when sins are committed) to the end (mortal death on earth). And, that's only possible because He became incarnate, was born into this world thanks to the Blessed Virgin Mary, taught the Light of Truth, and accepted suffering and death at the hands of Darkness, so that people of the past, present, and future could/can enter Heaven, if they wanted/want to, through faith which was/is shown to be alive as long as they were/are obedient, victorious over tribulations/trials, and repentful on this earth to the end, of their own free will, in cooperation with His Grace. I choose to believe that, I hope I continually choose to, and that's why I'm currently trying to persevere in the ways that He instructed, and hope that I continue trying to do that until my mortal death. And, as long as are will is to continually want God and what is of God, then He can't and won't abandon us, but rather help us, because He is eternally love, justice, and mercy.

Okay.
The short answer is You are Not saved.
Do you claim to be Catholic?