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What about when he brought to his former glory? Is there change? I do believe so, he shares the throne with his Father, no longer at the right hand.
John 11:6 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Believers still die in this world.
John 11:6 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Believers still die in this world.
His glory is his glory. It hasn’t changed.
Jewish monotheists who believe Jesus is the Messiah - not all Jewish monotheists do; the majority don’t - believe he is presently seated at the right hand of God in heaven.
I believe Jesus is speaking about never dying the second death.
That’s right. It is appointed once for all men to die - believers and unbelievers alike. I believe in the bodily resurrection of the deceased - believers and unbelievers alike.
When he came to be a man he was not in his former glory, the Word had left former glory. He prayed for his former glory to be restored…
John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Maybes that’s where we differ.
Well, who to say Jesus hasn’t changed from the right seat to the seat of his Father today.
Yeah that’s cool an all.
Jesus is the same, and always will be for people the one whom was the image of the Invisible God. That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t change from one seat to the other? At the end of the day…
See my point. It’s like saying God doesn’t change his mind, but he has and did on many occasions concerning the next decision the Israelites had made. God is never changing in his Love for people.
See my point. It’s like saying God doesn’t change his mind, but he has and did on many occasions concerning the next decision the Israelites had made. God is never changing in his Love for people.
Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist. There is a reason that I hammer on this fact: his theology hasn’t changed. It is the same yesterday, today and forever. If you forget everything else that I’ve said, please don’t forget that I‘ve insisted that he is a Jewish monotheist.
Jesus prayed for the glory which he had with his God (and my God) before the world was created be given to him. In Jewish monotheism, he had that glory in prospect and promise. It was stored up for him with his God in heaven. He received it when he was resurrected from the dead.
He also said in his prayer that he has already given that very same glory to his disciples. From his followers in the 1st century to his disciples of all centuries; all of them. It was given to me thousands of years before I was brought into existence. His disciples haven’t been glorified yet. The glory they have as disciples is glory in prospect and promise. It is stored up for them with him in heaven. They will receive it when he returns and are changed from mortal to immortal.
The root of our difference is in how we view preexistence.
Jesus.
Thank you for sharing how Jewish Monotheism sees it.
I'm just speaking openly from my own heart, without any preconceived notions on whatever it is you believe, cause that is between you and yourself at the end of the day.
I will forget that you stated Jesus was a Jewish Monotheist, cause that doesn't matter to me... Just because you have a preposition doesn't nessicarly mean what I am sharing with you is wrong.
The Word came down, and born as a man. Leaving the former glory which was once had, and therefore when Yeshua had sat on the throne, that glory was shown, as the Lord God Almighty.
I don't know how much you really read the bible anyway, or study, or only find Jewish Monotheist as your make doctrine of adherance.
I'm just speaking openly from my own heart, without any preconceived notions on whatever it is you believe, cause that is between you and yourself at the end of the day.
I will forget that you stated Jesus was a Jewish Monotheist, cause that doesn't matter to me... Just because you have a preposition doesn't nessicarly mean what I am sharing with you is wrong.
The Word came down, and born as a man. Leaving the former glory which was once had, and therefore when Yeshua had sat on the throne, that glory was shown, as the Lord God Almighty.
I don't know how much you really read the bible anyway, or study, or only find Jewish Monotheist as your make doctrine of adherance.
Man, you don’t even know if I actually exist. You have no more proof that I do than you do that God himself does.
What? Do you have type of bias? It's understandable if you do. I'm just sharing from the heart... No religion involved.
I profess to follow after Yeshua, and believe in what he told his apostles concerning on how to pray and everything like that.
Everyone has a bias. The Messiah’s bias is Jewish monotheism. He won’t compromise with it. It informed and defines him. It informs and defines me.
Did he? I think he just came to fulfill what the Father wanted him to do. And he completed it.
There are many people in Jewish Monotheism, that chide Jesus, some people don't even accept him as the Lord and Saviour.
Idk why you say you are of Other Faith, yet you proclaim to be Christian.
At the end of the day that doesn't matter does it, it's the heart to love Yahavah, and to love your neighbor as yourself, and to believe on the Son of God whom he had sent.
There many people who try to jump over Jesus all together, to save themselves.
His words and his deeds are expressions of his theology. He has a creed -> the creed of Judaism. Some know it popularly as “The Jesus Creed”.
That’s right. I’ve said frequently that the majority don’t and that I’m in a tiny minority that does.
I believe you. It’s not because I haven’t publicly stated why numerous times on this forum for the past three years. I have.
It matters.
The Messiah has such a heart. It hasn’t changed. He worships his God and Father / my God and Father in spirit and truth.
The Messiah’s disciples are to be like the Messiah when they are fully trained.
No one said anything different dude... I believe in worshiping Yahavah/Yahweh in spirit and truth.
I don't pray to Jesus... There are many people who believe you should but how many of those people are you assured of that aren't actually saved by grace?
Ya know? I get it... but people are going to choose what they will do at the end of the day.
@Matthias Just as my choice is to direct my comments at you for a specific reason, but you aren't fond of moving or thinking more than you decide to.
Lots of people say something different.
I do.
That’s the Messiah’s business. I don’t make ultimate pronouncements about who is and who isn’t saved.
That’s right. Everyone has to.
I follow my admonition to others: Read widely, deeply, thoughtfully and critically. I make and advise informed decisions.
I dont.
I pray in JEsus name, but I don't pray to Jesus.
That's a personal perference to Pray to Yahavah/Yahweh/Father/LORD, the one whom expressin your Jewish monothism faith.
ARe you even allowed to post your thread in this section being of "other faith"?
You sure are strange. Anyway, I am gonna move on.
I remember you telling me that on more than one occasion.
I respect personal preference.
Yes. The only forums that members who are registered “Other Faith” don’t have the privilege of posting in are those which are marked “Christians Only”.
You probably aren’t aware of it but members who are registered ”Other Faith” are able to read messages which are posted in forums marked “Christians Only”. At the bottom of each thread there is a message for such persons, in a gray box, which says “You have insufficient privileges to reply here.”
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