Stop Believing the "Any Moment" Myth

[Sel@h]

I don’t see the word “departure.” Wow!

 

[CrowCross]

What translation are you using? My KJV doesn’t use the word “departure.”

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV) 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

It is true the KJV doesn't use the word departure...but...these early translations do.

The 1526 Tyndale bible used DEPARTURE
The 1535 Coverdale bible used DEPARTURE
The 1539 Crammer bible used DEPARTURE
The 1540 Great bible used DEPARTURE
The 1560 Geneva bible used DEPARTING
The 1576 Breeches bible used DEPARTING
The 1582 Rhiems bible used REVOLT...The first complete English Catholic translation.
The 1583 Beza bible used DEPARTING
The 1608 Geneva bible used DEPARTING

If you noticed the word was improperly changed in 1582.
Note: The Rheims translators explicitly rejected "departing" because they wanted to frame the text as a prophecy against the Protestant Reformation. By using "revolt," they directly accused the Protestants of causing the end-times apostasia by revolting against the Roman Catholic Church and the authority of the Pope.

The changing of the world was a theological bias based reason ...rather than a literal direct translation.

The word "revolt" influenced the King James Version and over time became the incorrect standard or perception of the word "apostate" seen in modern bibles.

 

[CrowCross]

I don’t see the word “departure.” Wow!

See my above reply.

 

[Sel@h]

Can you post the whole passage using that ”departure“ word?

 

[CrowCross]

Can you post the whole passage using that ”departure“ word?

Is this what you're looking for?

Geneva Bible of 1587
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

Coverdale Bible of 1535
Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

Tyndale Bible of 1526
Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

 

[Sel@h]

Is this what you're looking for?

Geneva Bible of 1587
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

Coverdale Bible of 1535
Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

Tyndale Bible of 1526
Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

Yes, that’s what I was looking for. Thanks.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, that’s what I was looking for. Thanks.

"From the faith" is implied

 

[Sel@h]

Is this what you're looking for?

Geneva Bible of 1587
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

Coverdale Bible of 1535
Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

Tyndale Bible of 1526
Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

"From the faith" is implied

Thank you for kindly sharing that.

 

[CrowCross]

Thank you for kindly sharing that.

People assume it's from the faith. It's what we learned on the felt boards.

 

[Sel@h]

What’s a felt board?

 

[CrowCross]

What’s a felt board?

A felt board was what they used 'back then" in Sunday School where they stuck material cut out into characters onto a felt board to present a lesson.

I was using it as an example of how people often believe or interpret their scripture on how they were first taught.

 

[ewq1938]

I understand what you're saying but...

I've read the verse and "faith" isn't mentioned in the verse. People...scholars...insert "from the faith" into 2 Thes 2:3 where it says...Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the departure (from the faith) comes first...."from the faith" is assumed.

Departure "from the Earth" is assumed by Pretrib but the word apostasia does not mean a physical departure. It only means an Apostasy of some type.

So, Post trib uses the REAL definition while Pretrib uses a FALSE definition. Post trib is not assuming anything.


It should scare you that you are hoping the apostasia is the rapture when it is the Apostasy from Christ to the antichrist.

 

[JimKnox]

LOL....I guess you know more than a master greek scholar. AT Robertson is the best. All you have is insults. The true facts elude you.

You are out of touch.
Metzger is considered by many today to have surpassed anything Robertson created.
Robertson died in 1934. He didn't even survive long enough to have seen the Dead Sea Scrolls. His work has been eclipsed for that fact alone.
Try to keep up, ok? Your arrogance is misplaced.
(And I don't even LIKE Metzger.)

 

[shepherdsword]

You are out of touch.
Metzger is considered by many today to have surpassed anything Robertson created.
Robertson died in 1934. He didn't even survive long enough to have seen the Dead Sea Scrolls. His work has been eclipsed for that fact alone.
Try to keep up, ok? Your arrogance is misplaced.
(And I don't even LIKE Metzger.)

LOL....how ignorant can you be! Less than 5% of the dead sea scrolls were written in Greek and the dead sea scrolls did not contain any new testament manuscripts. And you call me arrogant...LOL.

Oh yeah, try to keep up...

 

[TribulationSigns]

You might be deceived by the first jesus who shows up and end up worshiping him, thus getting caught up in the great apostasy.

First Jesus? What a wild speculation.