Sunday Is The Day of Worship

[mailmandan]

facts are facts. Ellen G White, as clearly said, that those who worship God on Sunday, will have the mark of the beast in Revelation. This means that Sunday worshippers will be in hell! HOW can you quote this demonic person???

I almost fell out of my chair in shock when I first discovered that Seventh-day Adventists teach the ludicrous doctrine that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Mark of the Beast

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I almost fell out of my chair in shock when I first discovered that Seventh-day Adventists teach the ludicrous doctrine that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Mark of the Beast

Hence the SDA are a cult

 

[Brakelite]

Firstly, there is not a single place in the New Testament, where, after the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ, is anyone told, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Exodus 20:8).

God said remember once in Exodus 20. And here you are demanding He repeat it just for your benefit.

Secondly, in Exodus 31:12, 16, it is clear that the Sabbath Day is a "Covenant" between God and Israel, "“You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you...Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a Covenant forever".

You are not grafted into the olive tree... Israel?

Thirdly, Paul says that the Sabbath was a "shadow" of things to come, and that no person should be judged on this issue.

Can't believe people still bring this up despite the number of times this false theory had been so thoroughly and biblically refuted. Shows utter desperation.

Fourthly, In Romans 14 Paul is very clear that the Seventh Day is NOT the day for worship of the Lord God. "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike.

Mmm. So it's up to one person, you for example, to decide on behalf of God that His holy day is no longer holy, because you have decided to esteem another day instead.

You can do NO activities on the Sabbath.

Riiight. So when Jesus said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, to heal, to bless others, even to eat, He was wrong?

 

[mailmandan]

Hence the SDA are a cult

Beware This Cult

 

[Brakelite]

Interesting that so far the only defense in support of the declaration in the heading for Sunday being the day for worship, is the SDA is a cult. Lol.

 

[Brakelite]

Because they were the only forms of employment mentioned in the NT for Christians, therefore all Christians must be either tent makers, fishermen, or purple dye manufacturers and practitioners.
The above actually makes more sense than any promotion of Sunday. They are after all our example right? Yet you ignore the example of the apostolic church, and the continuing practise of the church for the following 300 years, in honoring the Sabbath. More desperation.

 

[Brakelite]

Then look at Acts 20:7, ""And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread,

I thought the first day was instituted as a sacred day by God because of the resurrection am I right? Yet the breaking of bread in the context of communion was a memorial of the crucifixion. So the above reasoning makes no sense. Unless of course the breaking of bread on that occasion was nothing more than a common meal. But you wouldn't consider that huh even though it's far more reasonable.

 

[Brakelite]

First Day=Sunday, because the Lord Jesus Christ was Raised from the dead, the devil defeated, death was forever conquered, and there was real hope for the whole human race. And all because of the RESURRECTION of the Great Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ!!!

I thought we were saved through the blood of the Lamb. In fact, the greater act of God was in humbling Himself and giving His Son a propitiation for sin. Surely if we follow your reasoning oughtn't we observe the day of the crucifixion?

 

[Brakelite]

Then look at Acts 20:7, ""And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight

There are a few more issues with this. First, the 'midnight' that Paul preached to was Saturday night. According to modem day time measurements that was still on the 7th day... But the first day in OT measurements. Which brings me to the next issue, by that in the morning, Sunday morning, a supposedly sacred day, Paul and his friend walked several miles to a port and bought a ticket for a boat ride. They didn't do this the day before, the Sabbath. Seems they had more respect for the Sabbath than for Sunday.

 

[Brakelite]

"One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.".

So according to you one can make up his own mind whether he has an obligation to obey or disobey a direct commandment of God, in direct contradiction to James who said a violation of one Commandment is a violation of all.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

So according to you one can make up his own mind whether he has an obligation to obey or disobey a direct commandment of God, in direct contradiction to James who said a violation of one Commandment is a violation of all.

from all your responses, it looks like you are a SDA and against worship on Sundays

 

[Webers_Home]

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Although church attendance is oftentimes thought of as worship, in reality it
isn't.

• John 4:21 . . Jesus declared: Believe me, woman, a time is coming when
you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

* Jerusalem is the Temple site-- the very hub of worship --yet Jesus ranks it
below something far more important.

Real worship begins in the heart; as an attitude.

. John 4:22-24 . . A time is coming, and has now come, when the true
worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of
worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship
in spirit and in truth.

The Greek word translated "worship" in that passage is proskuneo (pros koo
neh'-o) which roughly pertains to kissing someone's hand-- fawning and/or
crouching, and/or prostrating oneself in homage; i.e. reverence.

That all strongly suggests groveling; defined by Webster's as creeping with
the face to the ground, i.e. crawling with the body prostrate in token of
subservience or abasement; for example:

• Matt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven.

• Matt 5:5 . . Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

• Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of
God.

No amount of church attendance, nor any amount of liturgy, can substitute
for the proper spirit in one's approach to God. If truth be known, there are
countless thousands of folk attending church with whom God would be just
as pleased if they went to a sports bar instead because their presence in
church offends His sensibilities and makes Him nauseous.
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[theefaith]

THE DIDACHE
“But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70])

IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH
“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 110])

JUSTIN MARTYR
“[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . .” (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155])

JUSTIN MARTYR
“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155])

JOHN CHRYSOSTOM
“The rite of circumcision was venerable in the Jews’ account, forasmuch as the law itself gave way thereto, and the Sabbath was less esteemed than circumcision. For that circumcision might be performed, the Sabbath was broken; but that the Sabbath might be kept, circumcision was never broken; and mark, I pray, the dispensation of God. This is found to be even more solemn than the Sabbath, as not being omitted at certain times. When then it is done away, much more is the Sabbath.” (Homilies on Philippians 10 [A.D. 402])

JOHN CHRYSOSTOM
“For though few are now circumcised, yet, by fasting and observing the sabbath with the Jews, they equally exclude themselves from grace... You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul’s words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews? Is it that you fear the Law and abandonment of its letter? But you would not entertain this fear, did you not disparage faith as weak, and by itself powerless to save. A fear to omit the sabbath plainly shows that you fear the Law as still in force; and if the Law is needful, it is so as a whole, not in part, nor in one commandment only; and if as a whole, the righteousness which is by faith is little by little shut out. If you keep the sabbath, why not also be circumcised? And if circumcised, why not also offer sacrifices? If the Law is to be observed, it must be observed as a whole, or not at all.” (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395])

AUGUSTINE
“Well, now, I should like to be told what there is in these ten commandments, except the observance of the Sabbath, which ought not to be kept by a Christian. . . .” (The Spirit and the Letter 23 [A.D. 412])

GREGORY THE GREAT
“It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist, who when he comes will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For because he [the Antichrist] pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be held in reverence; and because he compels the people to Judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the perfidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet, ‘You shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’ [Jer. 17:24] could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ, has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For if anyone says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered. He must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the apostle Paul saying in opposition to him: ‘If you be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing’ [Gal. 5:2].” (Letters 13:1 [A.D. 597])

 

[Brakelite]

THE DIDACHE
“But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70])

IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH
“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 9 [A.D. 110])

JUSTIN MARTYR
“[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . .” (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155])

JUSTIN MARTYR
“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155])

JOHN CHRYSOSTOM
“The rite of circumcision was venerable in the Jews’ account, forasmuch as the law itself gave way thereto, and the Sabbath was less esteemed than circumcision. For that circumcision might be performed, the Sabbath was broken; but that the Sabbath might be kept, circumcision was never broken; and mark, I pray, the dispensation of God. This is found to be even more solemn than the Sabbath, as not being omitted at certain times. When then it is done away, much more is the Sabbath.” (Homilies on Philippians 10 [A.D. 402])

JOHN CHRYSOSTOM
“For though few are now circumcised, yet, by fasting and observing the sabbath with the Jews, they equally exclude themselves from grace... You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul’s words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews? Is it that you fear the Law and abandonment of its letter? But you would not entertain this fear, did you not disparage faith as weak, and by itself powerless to save. A fear to omit the sabbath plainly shows that you fear the Law as still in force; and if the Law is needful, it is so as a whole, not in part, nor in one commandment only; and if as a whole, the righteousness which is by faith is little by little shut out. If you keep the sabbath, why not also be circumcised? And if circumcised, why not also offer sacrifices? If the Law is to be observed, it must be observed as a whole, or not at all.” (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395])

AUGUSTINE
“Well, now, I should like to be told what there is in these ten commandments, except the observance of the Sabbath, which ought not to be kept by a Christian. . . .” (The Spirit and the Letter 23 [A.D. 412])

GREGORY THE GREAT
“It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist, who when he comes will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For because he [the Antichrist] pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be held in reverence; and because he compels the people to Judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the perfidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet, ‘You shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’ [Jer. 17:24] could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ, has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For if anyone says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered. He must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the apostle Paul saying in opposition to him: ‘If you be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing’ [Gal. 5:2].” (Letters 13:1 [A.D. 597])

Yes. Everyone likes to quote the ECFs. And yet none find it strange that the word of God says nothing on the subject.

 

[Brakelite]

Did you know that the Catholic Church once used the seventh-day Sabbath as grounds to reject the whole of Protestantism? And Martin Luther himself couldn't withstand the argument?

The Archbishop of Reggio, Gaspard del Fosso, confronted the Reformers on their premise of "Sola Scriptura", or the Bible and the Bible alone. The archbishop used the Sabbath as means to prove that the Reformers didn't actually follow the Bible and the Bible alone, when he stated:

"If they do truly hold the Scripture alone as their standard, they would be observing the seventh-day as is enjoined in the Scripture throughout. Yet they not only reject the observance of the Sabbath enjoined in the written word, but they have adopted and do practice the observance of Sunday, for which they have only the tradition of the [Catholic] Church. Consequently the claim of 'Scripture alone as the standard,' fails; and the doctrine of 'Scripture and tradition' as essential, is fully established, the Protestants themselves being judges."

For proof of these statements showing the struggles of the Reformers at the Council of Trent over the Sabbath issue, see 'The Proceedings of the Council of Trent', the 'Augsburg Confession of 1530' (which clearly states that the church, and not the scripture, created Sunday 'sacredness') and, even the Encyclopedia Britannica article titled "Trent, Council of." Each source acts as a definitive authority on its own, but collectively they cement the reality that the Catholic Church is well aware that her mark is the change of the Sabbath and that if one was to follow the Bible alone, it would require the keeping of the seventh-day Sabbath.

At this argument, the party that had stood for the Scripture alone surrendered, and the Council at once unanimously condemned Protestantism, and the whole Reformation.

In choosing to observe Sunday in preference to the biblical Sabbath, one is choosing the authority of the church and tradition over and above the authority of God's word.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

from all your responses, it looks like you are a SDA and against worship on Sundays

Adventists have never been the only people who believe in the authority of the commanded Sabbath. Romanists are ignorant of this because they can't be bothered to learn anything about history.

The fact that the pagan emperor Constantine criminalized Sabbath-keeping when he arbitrarily ordained Sunday as the Christian day of worship says true Christians have been rejecting Sunday even in the 4th century A.D.. Acts consistently show God's apostles observing and teaching the commanded Sabbath as the only acceptable day of worship, therefore Romanists have 0 biblical basis for the belief that Sabbath's sanctity was removed from the biblical Saturday period.

 

[Webers_Home]

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A number of rules discussed in the 14th chapter of Romans make it okay for
folks to attend church on any day of the week that they believe in their
hearts is the correct day for it. But I have to object when folks insist that
attending on some other day than theirs is hell-worthy.
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