Are we finished here?
You know, your sad attempts at trying to discredit people whom you disagree with, do not vindicate your behavior. Yet, based on your track record, it appears to be your only defense.
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Are we finished here?
You know, your sad attempts at trying to discredit people whom you disagree with, do not vindicate your behavior. Yet, based on your track record, it appears to be your only defense.
-- Second time in this thread where you have accused someone else of the very practices you participate in.
You initiated the direct conversation with me and in that post you did EXACTLY what you whined about in your very next post to me.
This post of mine is to direct others to look down this thread and see that you are the one doing exactly what you compain about.
Once again you and actual facts simply have nothing in common.
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We you are ready to stop projecting your behaviors and attitudes on to other people in an attempt to vindicate your behavior, I'll be ready to talk with you again. Until then, we are done here.
LOL, Sorry, I didn't project this:
""Wow!! So now that we have used up the Earth's resources and believe it is all going to be destroyed anyway.....may as well throw in the towel! Hope your kids, kids aren't going to need it. Too bad you cannot ask the Medieval Europeans who lived through the plague or the Millerites about how quickly the end of the world was going to happen." - Aspen - (08 January 2012 - 05:53 PM)
or
"So, how many souls have you saved, Foreigner? I thought that was Christ's job....." - Aspen - (08 January 2012 - 05:53 PM)
...and then after saying that, complain about someone ELSE'S rudeness:
"I am disappointed that you are being consistently rude" - Aspen - (09 January 2012 - 01:47 PM)
Hypocrisy, proven by your...own...words...
""Wow!! So now that we have used up the Earth's resources and believe it is all going to be destroyed anyway.....may as well throw in the towel! Hope your kids, kids aren't going to need it. Too bad you cannot ask the Medieval Europeans who lived through the plague or the Millerites about how quickly the end of the world was going to happen." - Aspen - (08 January 2012 - 05:53 PM)
or
"So, how many souls have you saved, Foreigner? I thought that was Christ's job....." - Aspen - (08 January 2012 - 05:53 PM)
...and then after saying that, complain about someone ELSE'S rudeness:
"I am disappointed that you are being consistently rude" - Aspen - (09 January 2012 - 01:47 PM)
Hypocrisy, proven by your...own...words...
None of it takes away or excuses your rudeness. Foreigner. Not one word. Since you have decided to continue commenting on my thread, why not address the fact that the government took charge of repairing the damage to the soil from the Dust Bowl and made considerable progress in just one year? Perhaps government intervention could help solve the environmental challenges we face today.
-- Oh, so close.
None of this takes away or excuses your rudeness followed later by you criticizing someone ELSE for their rudeness.
(Again, note the date and time stamps of your rude comments followed by your criticism of someone else for rudness.)
You lobbed the first grenade and then are incredulous when one gets thrown back.
I find that incredibly amusing.
-- LOL THAT sure went out the door quick, didn't it?
Even faster than when you said that God told you to move on and quit posting on this site, only to return about a week later acting as if nothing happened.
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One of several reasons why we shouldn't be quick to trust that the government is telling us the truth, let alone is able to help...
http://www.telegraph...-ever-told.html
Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
The uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story, writes Christopher Booker.
Christopher Booker
6:25PM GMT 28 Mar 2009
If one thing more than any other is used to justify proposals that the world must spend tens of trillions of dollars on combating global warming, it is the belief that we face a disastrous rise in sea levels. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps will melt, we are told, warming oceans will expand, and the result will be catastrophe.
Although the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only predicts a sea level rise of 59cm (17 inches) by 2100, Al Gore in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth went much further, talking of 20 feet, and showing computer graphics of cities such as Shanghai and San Francisco half under water. We all know the graphic showing central London in similar plight. As for tiny island nations such as the Maldives and Tuvalu, as Prince Charles likes to tell us and the Archbishop of Canterbury was again parroting last week, they are due to vanish.
But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.
Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.
The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".
When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, he launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.
Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. The only evidence the scaremongers can cite is based on the fact that extracting groundwater for pineapple growing has allowed seawater to seep in to replace it. Meanwhile, Venice has been sinking rather than the Adriatic rising, says Dr Mörner.
One of his most shocking discoveries was why the IPCC has been able to show sea levels rising by 2.3mm a year. Until 2003, even its own satellite-based evidence showed no upward trend. But suddenly the graph tilted upwards because the IPCC's favoured experts had drawn on the finding of a single tide-gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a 2.3mm rise. The entire global sea-level projection was then adjusted upwards by a "corrective factor" of 2.3mm, because, as the IPCC scientists admitted, they "needed to show a trend".
When I spoke to Dr Mörner last week, he expressed his continuing dismay at how the IPCC has fed the scare on this crucial issue. When asked to act as an "expert reviewer" on the IPCC's last two reports, he was "astonished to find that not one of their 22 contributing authors on sea levels was a sea level specialist: not one". Yet the results of all this "deliberate ignorance" and reliance on rigged computer models have become the most powerful single driver of the entire warmist hysteria.
•For more information, see Dr Mörner on YouTube (Google Mörner, Maldives and YouTube); or read on the net his 2007 EIR interview "Claim that sea level is rising is a total fraud"; or email him – [email protected]– to buy a copy of his booklet 'The Greatest Lie Ever Told'
http://www.telegraph...-ever-told.html
Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'
The uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story, writes Christopher Booker.
Christopher Booker
6:25PM GMT 28 Mar 2009
If one thing more than any other is used to justify proposals that the world must spend tens of trillions of dollars on combating global warming, it is the belief that we face a disastrous rise in sea levels. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps will melt, we are told, warming oceans will expand, and the result will be catastrophe.
Although the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only predicts a sea level rise of 59cm (17 inches) by 2100, Al Gore in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth went much further, talking of 20 feet, and showing computer graphics of cities such as Shanghai and San Francisco half under water. We all know the graphic showing central London in similar plight. As for tiny island nations such as the Maldives and Tuvalu, as Prince Charles likes to tell us and the Archbishop of Canterbury was again parroting last week, they are due to vanish.
But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.
Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.
The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".
When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, he launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.
Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. The only evidence the scaremongers can cite is based on the fact that extracting groundwater for pineapple growing has allowed seawater to seep in to replace it. Meanwhile, Venice has been sinking rather than the Adriatic rising, says Dr Mörner.
One of his most shocking discoveries was why the IPCC has been able to show sea levels rising by 2.3mm a year. Until 2003, even its own satellite-based evidence showed no upward trend. But suddenly the graph tilted upwards because the IPCC's favoured experts had drawn on the finding of a single tide-gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a 2.3mm rise. The entire global sea-level projection was then adjusted upwards by a "corrective factor" of 2.3mm, because, as the IPCC scientists admitted, they "needed to show a trend".
When I spoke to Dr Mörner last week, he expressed his continuing dismay at how the IPCC has fed the scare on this crucial issue. When asked to act as an "expert reviewer" on the IPCC's last two reports, he was "astonished to find that not one of their 22 contributing authors on sea levels was a sea level specialist: not one". Yet the results of all this "deliberate ignorance" and reliance on rigged computer models have become the most powerful single driver of the entire warmist hysteria.
•For more information, see Dr Mörner on YouTube (Google Mörner, Maldives and YouTube); or read on the net his 2007 EIR interview "Claim that sea level is rising is a total fraud"; or email him – [email protected]– to buy a copy of his booklet 'The Greatest Lie Ever Told'
Tending the garden - am i my brothers keeper. does this ring true, be it in every thing.
As far as the so called Greene's go they are like 'out their.'
And now the big wigs can see big green money.
A lot of grubs in the garden me thinks.
As far as the so called Greene's go they are like 'out their.'
And now the big wigs can see big green money.
A lot of grubs in the garden me thinks.
Didn't know you respected scientists that believed in Dowsing, Foreigner.....perhaps Dr. Morner will publish his findings on the Tooth Fairy, next?
Views on dowsing
Mörner has written a number of works claiming to provide theoretical support for dowsing. [2] He was elected "Deceiver of the year" by Föreningen Vetenskap och Folkbildning in 1995 for "organizing university courses about dowsing...".[sup][2][/sup] In 1997 James Randi asked him to claim The One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, making a controlled experiment to prove that dowsing works.[sup][14][/sup] Mörner declined the offer.[sup][15][/sup]
Views on dowsing
Mörner has written a number of works claiming to provide theoretical support for dowsing. [2] He was elected "Deceiver of the year" by Föreningen Vetenskap och Folkbildning in 1995 for "organizing university courses about dowsing...".[sup][2][/sup] In 1997 James Randi asked him to claim The One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, making a controlled experiment to prove that dowsing works.[sup][14][/sup] Mörner declined the offer.[sup][15][/sup]
Ah, people who don't agree with the expert doing everything they can to discredit that expert.
Well done. You've played right into their hands.
Please note: They mock him but do not refute his findings. And neither did you. Telling. Very telling......
Suppose you actually believe Al Gore, too. The guy that said the melting ice caps would make the world's water level raise 20 ft.
Turns out the very UN scientists he sited say that is bogus and the very most would be only 17 inches if both the north and south pole completely melted.
Why aren't you ridiculing Gore? The Royal British Science academy found seven major errors in "An Inconvenient Truth" that "mislead" and "imply that which is not true." Why isn't Al a victim of your criticism?
Inconsistencies and lack of consensus don't trouble you at all? Why is that? Selective concern is no concern at all.
You also ignore the email dump from the Climate Research Unit at England's University of East Anglia (a primary source of climate information for the United Nations).
Two massive email releases show they repeatedly discussed three specific things:
1. Temperatures are not rising as they predicted
2. They have absolutely no idea why
3. There must be a way they can supress this data to keep the world from knowing
They screamed about the illegality of releasing the emails, but they didn't refute the information in them.
Oh, on a couple they stated the information was "taken out of context" but when shown the entire multiple-email conversation on the topic, they were unable to point out where the "out of context" portion was.
Google for the specific emails and see for yourself the farce of the alarmists.
Yet you want governments to commit hundreds of billions if not trillions on this garbage.
Prophecy shows Christ is coming back very soon and we are quickly running out of time.
Your focus should be on sharing the Gospel, not propoganda.
Well done. You've played right into their hands.
Please note: They mock him but do not refute his findings. And neither did you. Telling. Very telling......
Suppose you actually believe Al Gore, too. The guy that said the melting ice caps would make the world's water level raise 20 ft.
Turns out the very UN scientists he sited say that is bogus and the very most would be only 17 inches if both the north and south pole completely melted.
Why aren't you ridiculing Gore? The Royal British Science academy found seven major errors in "An Inconvenient Truth" that "mislead" and "imply that which is not true." Why isn't Al a victim of your criticism?
Inconsistencies and lack of consensus don't trouble you at all? Why is that? Selective concern is no concern at all.
You also ignore the email dump from the Climate Research Unit at England's University of East Anglia (a primary source of climate information for the United Nations).
Two massive email releases show they repeatedly discussed three specific things:
1. Temperatures are not rising as they predicted
2. They have absolutely no idea why
3. There must be a way they can supress this data to keep the world from knowing
They screamed about the illegality of releasing the emails, but they didn't refute the information in them.
Oh, on a couple they stated the information was "taken out of context" but when shown the entire multiple-email conversation on the topic, they were unable to point out where the "out of context" portion was.
Google for the specific emails and see for yourself the farce of the alarmists.
Yet you want governments to commit hundreds of billions if not trillions on this garbage.
Prophecy shows Christ is coming back very soon and we are quickly running out of time.
Your focus should be on sharing the Gospel, not propoganda.
Oh brother - you are desperate! Defending the Dowser. Al Gore is not a scientist, Foreigner - and unlike Dr. Dowser, he never claimed to be one. Wasn't it you that complained about me quoting something from Countdown? Yet, you feel comfortable digging up some pseudo-scientist with a minority belief about the environment - no excuse for it, Foreigner.
-- You still haven't refuted what Dowser said. Why? Because you can't refute facts.
You are right, Gore isn't a scientist. So why then do you listen to him?
I have no idea what 'Countdown' is. You'll have to share.
And of course you intentionally ignored the best part.
Here let me post it again so you can pretend again you didn't see it:
You also ignore the email dump from the Climate Research Unit at England's University of East Anglia (a primary source of climate information for the United Nations).
Two massive email releases show they repeatedly discussed three specific things:
1. Temperatures are not rising as they predicted
2. They have absolutely no idea why
3. There must be a way they can supress this data to keep the world from knowing
They screamed about the illegality of releasing the emails, but they didn't refute the information in them.
Oh, on a couple they stated the information was "taken out of context" but when shown the entire multiple-email conversation on the topic, they were unable to point out where the "out of context" portion was.
Google for the specific emails and see for yourself the farce of the alarmists.
You worry more about nature than you do about what God wants you to focus on: Spreading his Gospel in order to save souls.
I hope one day you mature into the faith you are supposed to be following.
On the subject of global warming, or climate change, or whatever they're calling it now, I just thought I'd add my point....from where I'm sitting.... Here in Australia we have pretty wicked summers...usually 35o Celsius upwards. Today I'm wearing ugg boots and dragging out my winter wear. We've had a few higher spikes, but as a general rule this has been the coldest summer I remember...we even had snow in the mountains!!!!
I really don't claim to have a clue in the science department, but I do feel that many people are ditching simple respect for God's creation for more of a type of religion where they worship created thing more than Creator....can't be good....
No need to worship mother Earth like the fringe environmentalists out there - they were worshiping Earth long before the Industrial Revolution and the trashing of our planet.
No need to cite crazy fringe scientists out there, either.
All we need to do is consider the impact we are making on the planet and stop burying our heads in the sand. Support research for new sources of energy that might make a difference. Stop consuming at mass rates. Support companies that do not use 15 layers of plastic in their packaging. Think about how crazy it is that are most disposable products are made of plastics that will takes decades to start breaking down and transform waterways into toxic soup when they finally do.
No need to cite crazy fringe scientists out there, either.
All we need to do is consider the impact we are making on the planet and stop burying our heads in the sand. Support research for new sources of energy that might make a difference. Stop consuming at mass rates. Support companies that do not use 15 layers of plastic in their packaging. Think about how crazy it is that are most disposable products are made of plastics that will takes decades to start breaking down and transform waterways into toxic soup when they finally do.
Mörner claims that the "true experts" think this data is wrong (emphasis added):
"The world’s true experts on sea level are to be found at the INQUA (International Union for Quaternary Reseach) commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (of which I am a former president), not at the IPCC. Our research is what the climate lobby might call an ‘inconvenient truth’: it shows that sea levels have been oscillating close to the present level for the last three centuries. This is not due to melting glaciers: sea levels are affected by a great many factors, such as the speed at which the earth rotates. They rose in the order of 10 to 11cm between 1850 and 1940,stopped rising or maybe even fell a little until 1970, and have remained roughly flat ever since."
This is quite different from the INQUA official position on climate change, which opens by saying (emphasis added):
Climate change is real
There is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and, indirectly, from increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes in many physical and biological systems. It is very likely that most of the observed increase in global temperatures since the mid-twentieth century is due to human-induced increases in greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere (IPCC 2007).
As George Monbiot has documented, INQUA has been trying to dissociate itself from Mörner's views.
Current president of the INQUA commission on Coastal and Marine Processes, Professor Roland Gehrels of the University of Plymouth, says his view do not represent 99% of its members, and the organisation has previously stated that it is "distressed" that Mörner continues to falsely "represent himself in his former capacity."
So how does Mörner explain the global sea level rise record, in which both satellite altimeters and tide gauges show average global sea level rise on the order of 3 mm per year (Figure 1)? It's all a conspiracy, of course:
"In 2003 the satellite altimetry record was mysteriously tilted upwards to imply a sudden sea level rise rate of 2.3mm per year...This is a scandal that should be called Sealevelgate. As with the Hockey Stick, there is little real-world data to support the upward tilt. It seems that the 2.3mm rise rate has been based on just one tide gauge in Hong Kong"
Obviously this conspiracy theory is utterly absurd, and is easily disproven by simply examining the IPCC Third Assessment Report (TAR) published in 2001, two years before Mörner's accusation of falsified sea level data, which shows an approximately 10 to 15 mm rise in average global sea level from 1993 to 1998 (Figure 3).
Figure 3: Global mean sea level variations (light line) computed from the TOPEX/POSEIDON satellite altimeter data compared with the global averaged sea surface temperature variations (dark line) for 1993 to 1998. The seasonal components have been removed from both time-series. (IPCC TAR)
In short, Mörner's conspiracy theory and accusation of falsified data is complete nonsense. It's also ironic that Mörner accuses others of falsifying data, since he has previously doctored photographs in his own presentations (i.e. see multiple photos of the Maldives 'marker tree' spliced together here and here).
more at: http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=1153
Could Fraser Nelson have accepted a similar challenge? He's a publisher of a kind - editor of the Spectator magazine in fact – and, like Brochant, he has just made the biggest blunder of his career. He has invited a serial promoter of nonsense into his magazine and, to show off his remarkable find, has put him on the front cover, where his claims are promoted as straight fact.
Nelson's "find" is a man some of us found years ago and have seen as a source of wild entertainment ever since. He's called Nils-Axel Mörner, and among his claims to fame are that he possesses paranormal abilities tofind water and metal using a dowsing rod, and that he has discovered "the Hong Kong of the [ancient] Greeks" in Sweden.
The celebrated debunker of cobblers James Randi challenged Mörner to demonstrate his expertise with a dowsing rod, but he "consistently refused to be tested". He did however, allow his paranormal abilities to be examined on Swedish television, using a test that Mörner himself devised: dowsing for a packet of sugar concealed under one of 10 cups. Needless to say, he failed, blaming, as such people so often do, "interference" and "influences".
In 2007, Mörner and his collaborator, a homeopath and amateur archaeologist called Bob Lind, were reprimanded by the Scania County archaeologist in Sweden for damaging an Iron Age cemetery during their quest to demonstrate the "Bronze Age calendar alignments", which would somehow help to show that this local graveyard was in fact an ancient Hellenic trading centre.
Reviewing such claims, the archaeologist and chair of the Swedish Skeptics Society, Martin Rundkvist, comments that if Nils-Axel Mörner is associated with a project, it's "a solid guarantee for high-grade woo."
Now Mörner turns up on the front cover of the Spectator, under the headline "The Sea Level Scam: the rise and rise of a global scare story". His wild assertions are published in the magazine without qualification or challenge. Far from it: they are proclaimed in the headline as "The truth about sea levels". Yet they are as far from the truth as his claims about dowsing and archaeology.
Mörner maintains that places such as the Maldives, Bangladesh and Tuvalu "need not fear rising sea levels." There is, he says, "no ongoing sea-level rise" and no link between sea levels and climate change. He makes the false claim that the rate of sea-level rise accepted by most climate scientists "has been based on just one tide gauge in Hong Kong" (does he have a thing about Hong Kong?).
These claims have already been comprehensively debunked. To sustain them, Mörner relies on misinterpretations of scientific data so grave that even an arts graduate such as Fraser Nelson should have been able to spot them.
In his Spectator article, Mörner makes much of his research trips to the Maldives. These culminated in a 2004 paper published in the journal Global and Planetary Change. In it, Mörner uses an apparently random series of observations – including the discovery of a skeletal "reef woman" buried in a 800-year-old coral reef – to postulate that sea level rise in the Maldives is a figment of scientists' imagination. How this paper got published is a mystery that only the journal's editors can explain.
It was comprehensively debunked within a year in the same journal by Philip Woodworth, an oceanographer based in the UK, who wrote acidly that 'reef woman' "is hardly definitive as a sea level marker" and that Mörner's convoluted arguments – which also relied on anecdotal accounts by fishermen sailing over shallow rocks – were "hard to understand" and ultimately "implausible". A follow-up critical comment by the Australian oceanographer Paul Kench and colleagues notes that Mörner's paper "contains a number of unqualified and unreferenced assertions" which fail to stand up to scrutiny, does not follow carbon-dating conventions, and that "standard information is missing".
Mörner, a geologist by training, was not the only author of this paper: the others were Michael Tooley, an expert in English historical gardens, and Goran Possnert, a nuclear physics engineer currently working on a Swedish project called the Human Regenerative Map: not exactly the qualifications you would expect for people working in the highly specialised and complex disciplines of oceanography and sea level change.
In reality, three tide gauges exist in the Maldives, whose outputs are all available online and can be inspected by the public via the UK-based scientific collaborative research effort the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level. One is in the south at Gan, which shows a clear and consistent rise since before 1990. A second is located at Hanimaadhooin the north of the country, and shows no consistent trend from 1992. The third is at the capital Male', and shows a strong upward trend from the early 1990s until 2009.
Here is the irony – in his attempt at scientific cherry-picking, Mörner chose the wrong tree. Had he travelled to the western side of the Indian Ocean – to Zanzibar or Mauritius – he would have found incontestable evidence of sea-levels falling, dutifully recorded by their tide gauges. Does this invalidate global sea-level rise? Of course not – because sea levels fluctuate all the time due to winds and currents, even over several years in every location, a truly global picture can only be obtained from hundreds of tide gauges operating over multi-decadal periods.
http://www.guardian....ea-level-claims
Nelson's "find" is a man some of us found years ago and have seen as a source of wild entertainment ever since. He's called Nils-Axel Mörner, and among his claims to fame are that he possesses paranormal abilities tofind water and metal using a dowsing rod, and that he has discovered "the Hong Kong of the [ancient] Greeks" in Sweden.
The celebrated debunker of cobblers James Randi challenged Mörner to demonstrate his expertise with a dowsing rod, but he "consistently refused to be tested". He did however, allow his paranormal abilities to be examined on Swedish television, using a test that Mörner himself devised: dowsing for a packet of sugar concealed under one of 10 cups. Needless to say, he failed, blaming, as such people so often do, "interference" and "influences".
In 2007, Mörner and his collaborator, a homeopath and amateur archaeologist called Bob Lind, were reprimanded by the Scania County archaeologist in Sweden for damaging an Iron Age cemetery during their quest to demonstrate the "Bronze Age calendar alignments", which would somehow help to show that this local graveyard was in fact an ancient Hellenic trading centre.
Reviewing such claims, the archaeologist and chair of the Swedish Skeptics Society, Martin Rundkvist, comments that if Nils-Axel Mörner is associated with a project, it's "a solid guarantee for high-grade woo."
Now Mörner turns up on the front cover of the Spectator, under the headline "The Sea Level Scam: the rise and rise of a global scare story". His wild assertions are published in the magazine without qualification or challenge. Far from it: they are proclaimed in the headline as "The truth about sea levels". Yet they are as far from the truth as his claims about dowsing and archaeology.
Mörner maintains that places such as the Maldives, Bangladesh and Tuvalu "need not fear rising sea levels." There is, he says, "no ongoing sea-level rise" and no link between sea levels and climate change. He makes the false claim that the rate of sea-level rise accepted by most climate scientists "has been based on just one tide gauge in Hong Kong" (does he have a thing about Hong Kong?).
These claims have already been comprehensively debunked. To sustain them, Mörner relies on misinterpretations of scientific data so grave that even an arts graduate such as Fraser Nelson should have been able to spot them.
In his Spectator article, Mörner makes much of his research trips to the Maldives. These culminated in a 2004 paper published in the journal Global and Planetary Change. In it, Mörner uses an apparently random series of observations – including the discovery of a skeletal "reef woman" buried in a 800-year-old coral reef – to postulate that sea level rise in the Maldives is a figment of scientists' imagination. How this paper got published is a mystery that only the journal's editors can explain.
It was comprehensively debunked within a year in the same journal by Philip Woodworth, an oceanographer based in the UK, who wrote acidly that 'reef woman' "is hardly definitive as a sea level marker" and that Mörner's convoluted arguments – which also relied on anecdotal accounts by fishermen sailing over shallow rocks – were "hard to understand" and ultimately "implausible". A follow-up critical comment by the Australian oceanographer Paul Kench and colleagues notes that Mörner's paper "contains a number of unqualified and unreferenced assertions" which fail to stand up to scrutiny, does not follow carbon-dating conventions, and that "standard information is missing".
Mörner, a geologist by training, was not the only author of this paper: the others were Michael Tooley, an expert in English historical gardens, and Goran Possnert, a nuclear physics engineer currently working on a Swedish project called the Human Regenerative Map: not exactly the qualifications you would expect for people working in the highly specialised and complex disciplines of oceanography and sea level change.
In reality, three tide gauges exist in the Maldives, whose outputs are all available online and can be inspected by the public via the UK-based scientific collaborative research effort the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level. One is in the south at Gan, which shows a clear and consistent rise since before 1990. A second is located at Hanimaadhooin the north of the country, and shows no consistent trend from 1992. The third is at the capital Male', and shows a strong upward trend from the early 1990s until 2009.
Here is the irony – in his attempt at scientific cherry-picking, Mörner chose the wrong tree. Had he travelled to the western side of the Indian Ocean – to Zanzibar or Mauritius – he would have found incontestable evidence of sea-levels falling, dutifully recorded by their tide gauges. Does this invalidate global sea-level rise? Of course not – because sea levels fluctuate all the time due to winds and currents, even over several years in every location, a truly global picture can only be obtained from hundreds of tide gauges operating over multi-decadal periods.
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-- Nope. A sincere wish.
-- I remember in 2002 scientists from Britain's Climate Research Unit (the same ones whose email release shows they are befuddled and trying to hide the data) saying that by 2008 parents in England will have to tell their children what the substance called 'snow' USED TO BE.
They said that by 2008 Global Warming will ensure that England, along with much of northern Europe would no longer see snow.
The 2010-2011 Winter saw RECORD snowfall and RECORD low temperatures across all of England.
Yet alarmist still want to follow them blindly.
Prophecy shows the end is coming soon.
Yet some here are more focused on 'going green' for future generations (that won't be here) than helping to save as many souls as possible in the short time we have.
Individual responsibility is the key. Not a blank check with lots of zeros to governments who currently have no plan to use it for the good anyway.
Again, two email dumps from Climate Research Unit at England's University of East Anglia (a chief source for the UN in making global warming recommendations) show:
1. The UN is calling for nations to spend HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS on faith based on this organizations data.
2. The organization acknowledges to themselves that the predictions they made are simply not coming to pass.
3. They have absolutely no idea why because according to their data just the opposite should have already happened and be happening today.
4. The conspired among themselves to hide the new data in hopes people would continue to blindly believe their original predictions.
5. There are scores of people who still choose to believe the original predictions even though they have FAILED to come to pass.
Apparently, their minds are made up and they don't want to be bothered with the facts.
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I think that it's not stupid of us to perhaps consider and act upon things that can easily be changed. We are to be stewards of God's world and a good steward it one who takes care of his charge wisely. That implies responsibility. But we also have God given rights. God told us to 'subdue and have dominion over the land'. He fashioned clothing for our first parents out of animal skins, and sent us out to farm the land. So I am firmly against the people who scream that farmers are evil (wonder what they'd eat without us??), and that we must put animal life above human life. I think care of our planet should be taken, but those who are trying to hype others into thinking that our God given rights are in fact on the verge of causing global weathergeddon, need to stop waving signs and maybe go home and sell one of their prius'...which, incidentally, cost the earth more in it's production, than just going out and buying a second hand car would have.
I'm all for trying to reduce rubbish, lower the carbon output etc, but it's hard to take anybody seriously when they put animals and 'the planet' above human life. The people who threaten violence to stop whale killing (which I dislike, by the way), probably eat meat and kill billions of bugs each year. What makes one species more important than another? Nothing, really, all where made by God. So many of the climate change people are living lives that are just hypocritical...they have expensive cars, good jobs, well fed and schooled children and year round climate controlled houses. If even one of these 'public yellers' started to live like there was a crisis...maybe we'd start to take them more seriously. Honestly, I have a hard time swallowing anything they say when children are starving and being sold into sexual slavery every second. I hate to say it....but....WWJD? He was all about the people.
So, for the moment I'll just do what I can. I have a fierce veggie garden and chooks, and am noticeably cutting back the 'disposable' crap that I buy at the supermarket. It's a little step, but somehow I think it more than a lot of those screaming 'panic'.
Rach - whackjobs are apart of every moment. I try not to judge churches by their pewsitters or their whackjobs. My approach to the environmental movement is no different.
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