The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Ferris Bueller]

The New Covenant in Christ's Blood does not do away with the 4th Commandment.

You're right. It FULFILLS it. Just like it fulfilled the Passover, The Day of Atonement, etc., not did away with them.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Circumcision is not one of the 10 Commandments and the verses listed in the OP seem to contradict your assessment that the 4th Commandment is negated now.

Look at this in terms of fulfillment, not in terms of when, where, and how these laws were revealed.
Fulfillment is how we understand the other laws. So that is how we should be looking at this matter, too.
The Ten are not the Ten because of import. They are the Ten for reason of revelation. The people themselves heard God speaking these to Moses. God did that so they'd know Moses' words are not just another man's religion coming down the pike, and so they should listen to what he says.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I have heard this before and it doesn't make any logical (or Biblical) sense that 9 of the original Commandments would survive from the Old Covenant into the New

They ALL survived.
It's just that some simply don't need further literal keeping because the demands of those laws have been met, not removed, by the finished work of Christ.

 

[Oceanprayers]

Mindlessly, huh? How's your foot taste?

Always making claims, every time I see a post of yours, that have zero scripture to back them, thrust forth with nothing but opinion and attitude.

Paul neither lacked being water baptized (by Ananias), nor did he go to hell.

Yet Paul was a keeper of the Law.

"...that ... all may know ... concerning thee, ... that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law."
Acts 21:24

You really should study up before busting on the scene everywhere, like a bull in a china shop, making totally unfounded claims like you're addressing idiots.

Behold is in error on many points. I know what they are now saying due to you having quoted them.

Their entire post is in error when they state people are in Hell today.

Not true. As those who have studied Revelation know.

Their profile indicates a long tenure here. I don't think you'll change the direction of their misunderstanding. If it is indeed as innocent as that.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

This entire post is neutralized by the OP.

Read it again.

The OT law including the 10 commandments was only given to the Jews to keep, no one else. Christ took all the OT out of the way and gave His NT law to be followed. This is why Christian do not offer animal sacrifices, do the purifications, do not keep the Sabbath day, circumcision, etc for Christians follow Christ, not Moses.
Paul said circumcision does not avail (Galatians 6:15) circumcision is nothing (1 Corinthians 7:19). The implication of this is that when a child was born to Jewish parents, the first thing done was to circumcize the child. This circumcision was a sign that the child would be brought up as a Jew keeping the law of Moses. Yet since circumcision is nothing and circumcision is the first thing in keeping the OT law that means keeping the law mean nothing, keeping the OT law avails nothing. Since circumcision no longer has to be kept, that indicates there was a change in laws (Hebrews 7:12), justification does not come by keeping the OT law.
A faith that worketh is what avails now under the NT (Galatians 5:6) and faith that is not working is a faith that is dead and remains dead until one obeys God.

Paul kept Christ's NT law (1 Corinthians 9:21)

 

[Oceanprayers]

Today, and tomorrow and yesterday, thousands of people who tried to keep the commandments, and who were water baptized, died and went to hell.

Why?

Because Jesus said to them.......>"Depart from me.....i never knew you".

Yes, He never knew all those commandment keepers, and all those who were water baptized, at least once or twice.
Why does He not know them?
Because Jesus said........"you must be born again"......and they were not.

But, they could rant mindlessly about commandments and water baptism, all day everyday......all the time....like Robot parrots who can only say 2 sentences.

When your exegesis resorts to levying insults, you've demonstrated you know nothing of The Word. Because you are an unrepentant sinner who thinks calling people names validates your (mis)understanding of the word.

No one is yet in Hell.

 

[Oceanprayers]

The OT law including the 10 commandments was only given to the Jews to keep, no one else.

No. Jesus taught the commands and kept them.John 15:10

And Paul ministered to the Gentiles their importance. Romans 7

"scriptures in the New Testament show that Jesus and the apostles upheld the 10 Commandments, not as "ceremonial legalism" or as a way to "earn" salvation, but as essential laws to govern a Christian's life." Are the 10 Commandments Upheld in the New Testament?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

No. Jesus taught the commands and kept them.John 15:10

And Paul ministered to the Gentiles their importance. Romans 7

"scriptures in the New Testament show that Jesus and the apostles upheld the 10 Commandments, not as "ceremonial legalism" or as a way to "earn" salvation, but as essential laws to govern a Christian's life." Are the 10 Commandments Upheld in the New Testament?

Deuteronomy 5:2-3 the 10 commands was given only to the Jews, not the Gentiles Ephesians 2:12 who were excluded from the covenants of promise.

When Jesus was alive on earth, the OT law was still in effect so He would encourage the Jews to keep it. Yet at the same time He was preparing people for a change that was to take place in laws going from the OT to His NT teaching His gospel (Matthew 4:23). Jesus would not spend His short earthly ministry teaching a law that was to be abolished when He was bringing in a new covenant to replace the old one, (Hebrews 10:9). The OT law was until John (Luke 16:16) so all that Matthew Mark Luke and John wrote was of Christ's NT law and not of the law that was to be abolished. By Jesus fulfilling the OT law He brought it to an end. So John 15:10 would be NT commandments men are to keep...."If ye keep my commandments" not 'if ye keep Moses' commandments'.

 

[Oceanprayers]

Deuteronomy 5:2-3 the 10 commands was given only to the Jews, not the Gentiles Ephesians 2:12 who were excluded from the covenants of promise.

When Jesus was alive on earth, the OT law was still in effect so He would encourage the Jews to keep it. Yet at the same time He was preparing people for a change that was to take place in laws going from the OT to His NT teaching His gospel (Matthew 4:23). Jesus would not spend His short earthly ministry teaching a law that was to be abolished when He was bring in a new covenant. The law was until John (Luke 16:16) so all that Matthew Mark Luke and John wrote was of Christ's NT law and not of the law that was to be abolished. By Jesus fulfilling the OT law brought it to an end. So John 15:10 would be NT commandments men are to keep...."If ye keep my commandments" not if ye keep Moses' commands.

You shall live as you think.
You shall not lead me away from the knowledge of and truth of God at his word.

 

[GEN2REV]

You're right. It FULFILLS it. Just like it fulfilled the Passover, The Day of Atonement, etc., not did away with them.

Look at this in terms of fulfillment, not in terms of when, where, and how these laws were revealed.
Fulfillment is how we understand the other laws. So that is how we should be looking at this matter, too.
The Ten are not the Ten because of import. They are the Ten for reason of revelation. The people themselves heard God speaking these to Moses. God did that so they'd know Moses' words are not just another man's religion coming down the pike, and so they should listen to what he says.

" ... all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, ... "
Psalms 111:7-8

 

[Curtis]

Lack of response proves absolutely nothing …. You forgot to include the sermon on the mount about the sin that we commit in our attitudes towards others !

That the ten commands are called the ministry of death, and condemnation that kills is unequivocal in the new testament.

That the two love commands superseded the ten killer commands that bring death,( because love fulfills all the law), is unequivocal in the new covenant.

That we are told to let no one, such as the SDA, judge us about the sabbath, because it was a shadow of Jesus, who is the substance (that the shadow represents), is a biblical fact.

That Paul chastised the Galatians for keeping days, is unequivocal:

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Gal 4:10 Ye observe DAYS and months, and times, and years.

Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.


“Sabbaths, new moons, and set feasts” answer to “days, months, times.” 1Chronicles 23:31

1 Chronicles 23:31 (KJV)

31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the SABBATHS, in the NEW MOONS, and on the SET FEASTS, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:

 

[GEN2REV]

It's just that some simply don't need further literal keeping

Which ones don't need to be kept anymore?

 

[GEN2REV]

The OT law including the 10 commandments was only given to the Jews to keep, no one else. Christ took all the OT out of the way and gave His NT law to be followed. This is why Christian do not offer animal sacrifices, do the purifications, do not keep the Sabbath day, circumcision, etc for Christians follow Christ, not Moses.
Paul said circumcision does not avail (Galatians 6:15) circumcision is nothing (1 Corinthians 7:19). The implication of this is that when a child was born to Jewish parents, the first thing done was to circumcize the child. This circumcision was a sign that the child would be brought up as a Jew keeping the law of Moses. Yet since circumcision is nothing and circumcision is the first thing in keeping the OT law that means keeping the law mean nothing, keeping the OT law avails nothing. Since circumcision no longer has to be kept, that indicates there was a change in laws (Hebrews 7:12), justification does not come by keeping the OT law.
A faith that worketh is what avails now under the NT (Galatians 5:6) and faith that is not working is a faith that is dead and remains dead until one obeys God.

Paul kept Christ's NT law (1 Corinthians 9:21)

Deuteronomy 5:2-3 the 10 commands was given only to the Jews, not the Gentiles Ephesians 2:12 who were excluded from the covenants of promise.

When Jesus was alive on earth, the OT law was still in effect so He would encourage the Jews to keep it. Yet at the same time He was preparing people for a change that was to take place in laws going from the OT to His NT teaching His gospel (Matthew 4:23). Jesus would not spend His short earthly ministry teaching a law that was to be abolished when He was bringing in a new covenant to replace the old one, (Hebrews 10:9). The OT law was until John (Luke 16:16) so all that Matthew Mark Luke and John wrote was of Christ's NT law and not of the law that was to be abolished. By Jesus fulfilling the OT law He brought it to an end. So John 15:10 would be NT commandments men are to keep...."If ye keep my commandments" not 'if ye keep Moses' commandments'.

Again, Ernest, every single point you present in these posts was addressed in the OP. They've been countered with scripture.

Please look it over again.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

You shall live as you think.
You shall not lead me away from the knowledge of and truth of God at his word.

If one thinks the OT law was given to all men and is to be kept today then one is dwelling in error.

In Romans 7:1-4 - In this context Paul uses the institution of marriage to illustrate that for the Christian (who is married to Christ & His NT) but keeps both the OT law and NT law at the same time is adultery just as the adulteress woman keeping two husbands at the same time.

Yet if the woman's first husband is dead then she is freed from the law to marry another man. Christ taking the OT out of the way which freed us from that OT law so we today can then be married to Christ's NT yet not commit spiritual adultery against Christ.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Again, Ernest, every single point you present in these posts was addressed in the OP. They've been countered with scripture.

Please look it over again.

I read your OP and it refutes nothing I posted.

 

[GEN2REV]

That we are told to let no one, such as the SDA, judge us about the sabbath, because it was a shadow of Jesus, who is the substance (that the shadow represents), is a biblical fact.

That Paul chastised the Galatians for keeping days, is unequivocal:

Who are you claiming to be SDA? I'm not SDA.

God's the one who says the Commandments should be kept even until the end times.

All of them.

Paul was a Sabbath-keeper so, though you posted some verses, somewhere in your equation you have miscalculated.

 

[Oceanprayers]

That the ten commands are called the ministry of death, and condemnation that kills is unequivocal in the new testament.

That the two love commands superseded the ten killer commands that bring death,( because love fulfills all the law), is unequivocal in the new covenant.

That we are told to let no one, such as the SDA, judge us about the sabbath, because it was a shadow of Jesus, who is the substance (that the shadow represents), is a biblical fact.

That Paul chastised the Galatians for keeping days, is unequivocal:

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Gal 4:10 Ye observe DAYS and months, and times, and years.

Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.


“Sabbaths, new moons, and set feasts” answer to “days, months, times.” 1Chronicles 23:31

1 Chronicles 23:31 (KJV)

31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the SABBATHS, in the NEW MOONS, and on the SET FEASTS, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:

Behold, you are a member of the second camp.

The two love commands synopsized the ten.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

That the ten commands are called the ministry of death, and condemnation that kills is unequivocal in the new testament.

Yes, how/why would Jesus teach words of life (John 6:68) if He was limited to teaching the ministration of death that was the OT law (2 Corinthians 3:7).

 

[GEN2REV]

If one thinks the OT law was given to all men and is to be kept today then one is dwelling in error.

God says it was given to all men and that it should be kept clear into the end times.

In Romans 7:1-4 - In this context Paul uses the institution of marriage to illustrate that for the Christian (who is married to Christ & His NT) but keeps both the OT law and NT law at the same time is adultery just as the adulteress woman keeping two husbands at the same time.

Yet of the woman's first husband is dead then she is free from the law to marry another man. Christ taking the OT out of the way which freed us from that OT law so we today can then be married to Christ's NT yet not commit spiritual adultery against Christ.

Paul was a "keeper of the Law."
Acts 21:24

 

[GEN2REV]

No. Jesus taught the commands and kept them.John 15:10

And Paul ministered to the Gentiles their importance. Romans 7

"scriptures in the New Testament show that Jesus and the apostles upheld the 10 Commandments, not as "ceremonial legalism" or as a way to "earn" salvation, but as essential laws to govern a Christian's life." Are the 10 Commandments Upheld in the New Testament?

Thank you for the John 15:10 verse, Ocean. Didn't have that one handy in my arsenal.

God bless.