Is 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hey Carl, sleeping about this time, not here in Florida.
I have a commentary I devised for you of the words you highlighted in red.
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(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this. (ESV)
The context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria.
The child Jesus was born, and a son given, the Son of God. If Jesus was born, he was never or was, or is today divine. He shared divinity because of his Father’s divinity. A son was given. Jesus was bestowed by his Father upon the House of Judah first, then to all nations. He was given to mankind, the spiritual Israel, and still many that do not understand scripture persist in saying the son was God.
After his resurrection from death, the Son of God shall have all authority on the earth and in heaven. He shall be called the blessed, teacher and mediator, the mighty god and the eternal father of the new ages, and the prince of peace.
‘Mighty God’ should be translated as ‘mighty warrior’ or ‘great one.’
Where in scripture had Jesus been called the everlasting Father? Nowhere. I would think that Trinitarians at least would be weary of saying Jesus was any kind of a Father, because
their God is composed of the Father and the Son, and their Johnny come lately other person, the Holy Spirit. And they can never be the same person - they stay in their own lanes I would think according to their proponents of this doctrine.
‘Everlasting Father’ should be translated as the eternal father, of the future ages to come since his ascension into heaven. Jesus became the key agent of eternal life. Jesus replaced the original and temporal father, also a Son of God, as he, the 1st Adam, returned to the ‘dust.’ Jesus purchased sinful mankind and became their new permanent father of future ages as the 2nd and last Adam. He became immortal and the gateway for all other to enter in.
Jesus fathered the new creation of believers from mankind. He created the mechanism for it. He became the father of it, this human process from human death to salvation and immortality. He became the Father everlasting, the first and the last or the only one in this specific regard. The first and the last or the only one as spoke of in the Book of Revelation and only in this context. Jesus was the founder, and he is the father of new believers. He was the first of the new creation of human beings given immortality. He was the author of life for all men.
Acts 17:30-31 says that YHWH has appointed a man to judge the world that aligns perfectly with the verses of Isaiah 9:6 and 7
The last part of verse 7 says the zeal of the LORD Almighty will produce this child who will accomplish or be all these things said in these verses. The LORD Almighty will use his Holy Spirit to create this new Son. This is another validation that the LORD is the only God, the only creator, and it is ridiculous and impossible for his created Son to be him.
A source that is very Trinitarian in it comments is the CARM.org.
Isaiah 9:6, Is Jesus the Everlasting Father?
Although on this subject of Isaiah 9:6 and in particular the ‘everlasting father’ expression they are fair and balanced.
“When Isaiah 9:6 says that Jesus’ name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, etc., it is not saying that Jesus is the eternal Father, but that he has the characteristics of God. In other words, Jesus has all the attributes of God–including eternality.”
Then they go even further, “In ancient Jewish culture, names had meanings. We can better understand this by noting American Indian names such as “Running Wolf” or “Fighting Bear.” The same with Jewish names. They had meanings. Isaac, for example, means “laughter.” Noah means “rest” or “peace.” So, when Isaiah is speaking of the name of the coming Messiah and says his name will be Mighty God, Eternal Father, etc., it is telling us about the characteristics of the Messiah to come in a prophetic manner.”
As I said earlier, “Jesus is the founding father of a new creation.”
Father of a New Creation
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