The Absolute Equality of Jesus With The Father

[Wrangler]

The Son IS Almighty God, as The Father Himself addresses Jesus as God in Hebrews 1:8.

Again. Just ignore my first post of the many inequalities.

Hebrews 1:8 quotes David who was talking about God.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Again. Just ignore my first post of the many inequalities.

Hebrews 1:8 quotes David who was talking about God.

Read the whole verse

 

[Wrangler]

Read the whole verse

Reply to my first post on the many inequalities between Jesus and God.

 

[Wrangler]

Scripture explicitly says God is NOT under Jesus’ feet. Not the ‘Father’ but God in his unitarian nature. This is the opposite of equality.

1 Corinthians 15:27
The Voice

27 All this will happen to fulfill the Scripture that says, “You placed everything on earth beneath His feet.” (Although it says “everything,” it is clear that this does not also pertain to God, who created everything and made it all subject to Him.)

 

[Wrangler]

 

[kcnalp]

Jesus was the father on earth. In praying I believe Jesus taught Christians how to pray. And in doing so when his miracles happened, showed them that prayer does serve.

Who did Jesus pray to?
Luke 23:34 (NKJV)
34 Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."

 

[kcnalp]

The flesh,bone and blood man God knitted together in the womb of Mary and for the purpose of his good will was nailed to the cross.
That form was both of and from God. Created of God, who was with his people, Immanuel. And Immanuel was indwelt with the spirit of God. Which is why he performed the works of God, miracles, to the people watching them.


In those times blood sacrifice covered sins according to Jewish tradition.

Jesus, Immanuel, poured his blood out on that last and final altar to sin, the cross. Taking the sins of the world upon himself there.
That whomsoever believeth in him shall never perish in their sins, but shall have immortal life.

Just as he proved when, seemingly crucified to death on the cross as many a mortal were in those days, he conquered the tomb three days later and walked among his people. Continuing to teach and lead them to the truth of God for another 40 days.

And not a member of the temple, nor the Roman authorities, laid a hand upon him nor even appeared to know he, that man they killed as they had soany others, was alive and preaching still.
That's God.

Jesus was not the Father.

1 John 2:22 (NKJV)
22 He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

 

[kcnalp]

Refer to your favorite lexicon.

Only trinitarians deny begotten could possibly mean procreation, which is obviously a form of creation.

So you're saying Jesus isn't God?

 

[Wrangler]

So you're saying Jesus isn't God?

That’s what Scripture says over and over and over again. Over 5,000 times God is referred to in the singular pronoun. See also the introductory verses of the Epistles.

It is just basic reading comprehension. Joe and Kamala are an example of language usage referring to 2 beings, not one.

Philippians 1:2
The Voice

2 Grace and peace be with you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus the Anointed.

 

[kcnalp]

That’s what Scripture says over and over and over again. Over 5,000 times God is referred to in the singular pronoun. See also the introductory verses of the Epistles.

It is just basic reading comprehension. Joe and Kamala are an example of language usage referring to 2 beings, not one.

Philippians 1:2
The Voice

2 Grace and peace be with you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus the Anointed.

John 1 The Word was God.

Jesus is God.

 

[Wrangler]

John 1 The Word was God.

Jesus is God.

LOL. John1:1 does not refer to Jesus as trinitarian suppose but God. See John 1:18. Do you not know the Shema?

 

[kcnalp]

LOL. John1:1 does not refer to Jesus as trinitarian suppose but God. See John 1:18. Do you not know the Shema?

The Word was God. The Word became flesh. That's not Jesus? lol

 

[Curtis]

The Father and the Son work as one, as on the 'same' team, although they are different and not equal in nature, spirit and power. They are not the same (G)god indeed. The Son is subordinate to the Father. One is the source of existence: the one pure deity is the ONLY ONE on the throne (the power source) in heaven and the other, the Son (the Lamb), uses his given Father's source of power as promised and given in order to work in the 'sameness' of purpose of the Father. There are not TWO personalities or TWO Gods on the throne. The throne signifies the source of ALL power and there is only ONE source, YHWH, the Father.

You now claim several things: that there is no subordination of the Son to the Father, citing a non-biblical post incarnation theory. You discussion and facts thus far do not support this sudden conclusion the Christ is the same God as the Father. And then you add to your baseless conclusion that there is ONLY ONE God with TWO personalities on the same throne as TWO people sharing the ONE source of power, which is impossible. And then ram in part, the Trinity axiom, God the Father and God the Son to push your true main point if someone would miss it. I wonder where the God of the Holy Spirit fits into all this? The Trinity is meant have 3 personalities fused into one as the same God, right?

You are just ensuring your text and claims support your preconceived ideas and theories that the Trinity is the gold standard. You have not proved any of this. You have succeeded however to convince a few and confuse many more and reinforce a few like me that you as many before you, cannot prove the Trinity in scripture. You are required to assume and misuse scripture to support your deluded and chaotic religion of the pagan Trinity.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board and start over....you never proved the Trinity and that the Son is the Almighty YHWH, a title only given the Father.


APAK

The actual facts are clear that Jesus is co equal to the Father, and is co-creator of the world, and everything that was made, then was born into the world He made.

John 1:1 tells us “in the beginning”, (taking us back to Genesis 1:1 and creation of the world) was the word, and the word was WITH god, and WAS God, and reiterates that the same (the Word) was “in the beginning” with God, verse 2.

Note that it takes two people to be WITH each other - you can’t be with yourself, only by yourself.

God was WITH God, in the beginning, at creation.

And just so it’s clear that the Word is Jesus, John 1 tells us that the Word who was WITH God and WAS God, made all things including the world, then was born into the world that He made::

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And the Old Testament shows us the trinity:

In Genesis 1:1 it says that in the beginning ELOHIM said, let us make God in our image.

Elohim is not the singular name of God, it’s the PLURAL name of God, literally defined as GODS in the Strongs Hebrew dictionary.

Thus we have in Genesis 1, the plural God saying let US, man man in OUR image.

The verse, Hear oh Israel, the Lord God is ONE, also shows us the trinity, since the word in Hebrew is ECHAD, which means one in COMPOSITE unity, such as ONE sheet of 3 layered plywood, or ONE cluster of many grapes.

Jesus is co-creator who made all things, Colossians 1:16, and in Him is ALL the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily, Colossians 2:9.

When Jesus left the form of God to take the form of a man, and a humble servant, he became subservient to the Father - and remains that way after His resurrection - which doesn’t change the truth He is God by His very nature.

 

[Wrangler]

The Word was God. The Word became flesh. That's not Jesus? lol

Right. LOL. I guess you did not watch the video or read Deutoronomy 18:15-18.

 

[Wrangler]

The actual facts are clear that Jesus is co equal to the Father,

1 Corinthians 11:3
The Voice

3 But it is important that you understand this about headship: the Anointed One is the head of every man, the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of the Anointed.

 

[kcnalp]

Right. LOL. I guess you did not watch the video or read Deutoronomy 18:15-18.

I'm too busy reading the Bible to watch many videos. Ok, I read Dt 18. It doesn't in any deny that Jesus is God.

"a Child is born"
"a Son"
"Mighty God"

Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV)
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Yes, Jesus is God.

 

[Wrangler]

Ok, I read Dt 18. It doesn't in any deny that Jesus is God.

LOL. Dt 18 states the word of God will be put into one God chose. God chose Jesus. God sent Jesus. This is not equality. Jesus is not God.

 

[kcnalp]

Jesus is not God.

John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh ...
Yes, Jesus is God.

 

[Wrangler]

John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh ...
Yes, Jesus is God.

Jesus is not even in the verse you cite. That is how desperate you are to deny the inequality between the two.

 

[kcnalp]

Jesus is not even in the verse you cite. That is how desperate you are to deny the inequality between the two.

Then who is the Word that was God and became flesh? Scripture please.
John 1:11 (NKJV)
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
Yep, that's Jesus.