This is quite true. It is a fool who thinks ANY translation isn't slanted by the beliefs of the men doing the translation. And often, even today, those beliefs closely match those of their political leanings.Very experienced in politics.
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This is quite true. It is a fool who thinks ANY translation isn't slanted by the beliefs of the men doing the translation. And often, even today, those beliefs closely match those of their political leanings.Very experienced in politics.
In addition to that, it would seem that the fallen angels had introduced a great deal of knowledge to mankind just prior to the Flood. While the Bible does not provide details, the book of Enoch is quite enlightening.Don't believe for a moment that pre-flood people were ignorant and unintelligent. They had only very recently been moulded by God's own hand and created in His image...they were not brainless apes looking to evolve...we have devolved...not evolved.
I don't think he will be regretting a thing. He will still be so filled with his usual vindictive selfishness he will be trying to tell everyone it was all God's fault right up to when he shrivels up into vapour.One thing's for sure. the devil loves to counterfeit the things of God. With his obsession with pyramids, it's likely the New Jerusalem is shaped like a pyramid. Ain't you glad the day is coming when we'll be inside and him outside regretting all the dirt that he did mankind?
Interesting. There was no doubt much technology beyond what we know of today. "Greek fire" is one such, and the means by which stone was cut and transported. Yes, could certainly have been through the medium of fallen angels...isn't it great to know that we have forever to ask about all this and some day, we will know for sure.In addition to that, it would seem that the fallen angels had introduced a great deal of knowledge to mankind just prior to the Flood. While the Bible does not provide details, the book of Enoch is quite enlightening.
[Chapter 8]
1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .
In addition to that, it would seem that the fallen angels had introduced a great deal of knowledge to mankind just prior to the Flood. While the Bible does not provide details, the book of Enoch is quite enlightening.
[Chapter 8]
1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .
Could he have completed all this with stone tools?
Your marine engineering degree would suggest that a rectangle be more sea-worthy in a catastrophic storm where water was coming from underneath and above?
The fallen angels were bound in the Pit, so not there.
Plus Enoch lived Pre-Flood,
so no book.
It was a Gnostc book written aound 300.
The Jude qote was from oral tradition and the only mention of Enoch in the Bible.
Pre-Flood people lived longer and were smarter us.
The Bible says people were "saved by water". The water didn't save anyone, it drowned people.
Therefore, there are a couple of ways to understand "saved by water".
1) The human race was "saved by water" because if God didn't send the Flood, the corrupting influence of the Antediluvians would have swallowed up the last family on Earth loyal to God, leaving no holy lineage through which the Messiah could come.
2) Noah and the fly was "saved by" the threat of "water" which motivated them to trust God by faith in His Word and prepare for the threat.
Now, I don't claim to be a Greek scholar so I could be wrong, but what I do know is the primary Agent of salvation is God and the conduit through which we take hold of the salvation is our faith, both of which are outside of tangible things like boats and water.
Ha...Same old BS, huh Stranger? Still barking about everyone lying - still trying to tip people over. Give it up already and join the Body of Christ! Satan is the accuser....we are called to love, for the millionth time
If a literal flood happened; a flood that cannot be agreed upon by Christians (was it world wide? Regional? An inspired story?); not accepted as literal by Jewish people; or recorded outside Mesopotamia in the same form; then, it was a miraculous event, not backed up by science, archeology, geology, or everything known about giant wooden boats surviving current oceanic conditions, let alone colossal, apocalyptic conditions - the debris alone would have destroy the boat before it started
Very experienced in politics.
If the flood was miraculous
then it cannot be proven by science, as Stranger stated, so why are you guys looking for scientific evodence for it?
I have no problem believing in miracles - my problem is when Christians stand on their heads trying to legitimize miracles with science and try to teach miracles in science classes.
If we are claiming that Noah miraculously built
a giant boat that would never survive a world wide flood
and carried every type of land animal, including, sloths, rhinos, Siberian tigers, pandas, land insects, amphibians,
I agree. And yes, science can definately be in error - we have a long history of this, but the reason we can see the past errors is because science is committed to finding out the the truth and uncovering errors
If a literal flood happened;
a flood that cannot be agreed upon by Christians (was it world wide? Regional? An inspired story?);
not accepted as literal by Jewish people;
the debris alone would have destroy the boat before it started
This puts the Iron Age at pre flood. I’ll have to study on this some.God is a provider.
The things we get from the ground today, are the same things men got from the ground in the early days of mankind....
Water, stones, rocks, oil, ores, gold, silver, iron, gems, etc.
The knowledge, wisdom and understanding of where to find such things and what to do with them, was given men, by God, and men who learned those things, taught other men.
Gen 4
[17] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[18] And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
[19] And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
[20] And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
[21] And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
[22] And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
God Bless,
Taken
Not all fallen angels were or are bound in hell.
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The fallen angels were bound in the Pit, so not there.
Not all fallen angels were or are bound in hell.
Only Satan was not.
Plus Enoch lived Pre-Flood,
True.
so no book.
Scripture does not say "no book".
Scripture does not say "no writing".
Nor does it say there was a book.
It was a Gnostc book written aound 300.
Highly doubtful, Gnostics were exclusive in writing and book skills, and all other oblivious to such things.
The scholars say Gnostic 300 AD.
The Jude qote was from oral tradition and the only mention of Enoch in the Bible.
Oral teaching was a primary way of teaching, still is.
Not true, Jude being the only mention of Enoch.
Once quoting him.
Pre-Flood people lived longer and were smarter us.
True, Pre-flood people did live longer.
False, Pre-flood people were smarter.
Much knowledge and understanding was kept secret from them, and revealed by Jesus.
Jesus did not deal in technology.
Glory to God,
Taken
I think he'll stop all that once he confesses Jesus was right along with all the others that are about to be vaporized.I don't think he will be regretting a thing. He will still be so filled with his usual vindictive selfishness he will be trying to tell everyone it was all God's fault right up to when he shrivels up into vapour.
No, experienced at translation.
Stranger
One correction.God is a provider.
The things we get from the ground today, are the same things men got from the ground in the early days of mankind....
Water, stones, rocks, oil, ores, gold, silver, iron, gems, etc.
The knowledge, wisdom and understanding of where to find such things and what to do with them, was given men, by God, and men who learned those things, taught other men.
Gen 4
[17] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[18] And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
[19] And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
[20] And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
[21] And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
[22] And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
God Bless,
Taken
wadr there is no "he" there such as we like to imagine I guess; Satan is personified bc ppl cannot stand in truthI think he'll stop all that once he confesses Jesus was right along with all the others that are about to be vaporized.