The Amazing Ship which Noah Built

[Waiting on him]

Could he have completed all this with stone tools?

I mean this had to have been in an Lithic era

 

[brakelite]

This is a friend of mine who has been to Ararat on many occasions. He is a credible man, not given to sensationalism nor looking for fame or reputation. Not the most charismatic of speakers, but shares simply his testimony and opinion honestly and without fanfare.

 

[Willie T]

Our depictions of the Ark are fabricated and distorted by modern thinking. The absolutely ONLY reason for a boat or ship to have rounded, pointed ends is to guide it through the water under propulsion of some kind (like oars or sails). The pointed ends we insist upon depicting would only serve to waste possible space inside.

 

[brakelite]

Could he have completed all this with stone tools?

Don't believe for a moment that pre-flood people were ignorant and unintelligent. They had only very recently been moulded by God's own hand and created in His image...they were not brainless apes looking to evolve...we have devolved...not evolved.

 

[brakelite]

Our depictions of the Ark are fabricated and distorted by modern thinking. The absolutely ONLY reason for a boat or ship to have rounded, pointed ends is to guide it through the water under propulsion of some kind (like oars or sails). The pointed ends we insist upon depicting would only serve to waste possible space inside.

Your marine engineering degree would suggest that a rectangle be more sea-worthy in a catastrophic storm where water was coming from underneath and above?

 

[Enoch111]

Could he have completed all this with stone tools?

Noah was not a stone age savage. Indeed the civilizations of those times were extremely advanced.

 

[Willie T]

Your marine engineering degree would suggest that a rectangle be more sea-worthy in a catastrophic storm where water was coming from underneath and above?

It was raining and water was slowly rising. They were not in a Nor'easter.

 

[brakelite]

It was raining and water was slowly rising. They were not in a Nor'easter.

"The fountains of the great deep were broken up" suggests to me that the entire topography of the planet underwent some major changes...when it was that the people were filled with violence, and the whole earth was corrupted, then with violence shall God judge it. Same as the plagues were judgements on the Egyptian gods, so the last plagues will be judgements on modern gods..."you shed blood, you shall drink blood". Justice. No way did the water rise peaceably like in a bath tub.

 

[Waiting on him]

Don't believe for a moment that pre-flood people were ignorant and unintelligent. They had only very recently been moulded by God's own hand and created in His image...they were not brainless apes looking to evolve...we have devolved...not evolved.

Can you knap a Clovis spear head from a round piece of flint? I wasn’t implying ignorance or unintelligent by modern mans standards.

 

[Waiting on him]

Noah was not a stone age savage. Indeed the civilizations of those times were extremely advanced.

Exodus 4:25 KJV
[25] Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

Tecarta Bible

 

[Waiting on him]

Exodus 4:25 KJV
[25] Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

Tecarta Bible

Who said anything about a savage

 

[CoreIssue]

(1Peter 3:20) "...that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Stranger

Kjv translation error.

20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1223 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
diav a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Dia 2:65,149
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
dee-ah' Preposition
Definition

1. through
   1. of place
      1. with
      2. in
   2. of time
      1. throughout
      2. during
   3. of means
      1. by
      2. by the means of
2. through
   1. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
      1. by reason of
      2. on account of
      3. because of for this reason
      4. therefore
      5. on this account

 

[CoreIssue]

 

[CoreIssue]

(1Peter 3:20) "...that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Stranger

Kjv transjation error.

 

[Phoneman777]

How did the water save? The water saved Noah and his family by destroying the world. It cleansed them from the foul affects of the world. The like figure which water baptism saves us.

Note a similar parallel with Israel. (1Cor. 10:2) Concerning water baptism, Israel was water baptized as she went dry shod through the Red Sea. And what did the waters of that baptism do? Destroyed Pharaoh's army.

Stranger

Be careful not to invest in the things of creation that which belongs to God. It is FAITH which we are told over and over and over and over and over and over (getting through yet?) in Scripture that saves - God deals to every man a measure and then man either acts on it or ignores it.

By faith...not by water. Without faith, we all drown.

 

[Enoch111]

Exodus 4:25 KJV
[25] Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

Zipporah took what came to hand at that time. It would be like someone being in the kitchen and an intruder showed up. A kitchen knife would be the only available weapon.

During this period, Egypt (where Moses was raised) was the most advanced civilizations in the world.

For almost 30 centuries—from its unification around 3100 B.C. to its conquest by Alexander the Great in 332 B.C.—ancient Egypt was the preeminent civilization in the Mediterranean world. From the great pyramids of the Old Kingdom through the military conquests of the New Kingdom, Egypt’s majesty has long entranced archaeologists and historians and created a vibrant field of study all its own: Egyptology. The main sources of information about ancient Egypt are the many monuments, objects and artifacts that have been recovered from archaeological sites, covered with hieroglyphs that have only recently been deciphered. The picture that emerges is of a culture with few equals in the beauty of its art, the accomplishment of its architecture or the richness of its religious traditions.

https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-history/ancient-egypt

Prior to this, at the time of Noah, the Sumerian civilization was already much advanced and equal to Egyptian civilization:

SUMERIAN ART AND ARCHITECTURE
Architecture on a grand scale is generally credited to have begun under the Sumerians, with religious structures dating back to 3400 B.C., although it appears that the basics of the structures began in the Ubaid period as far back as 5200 B.C. and were improved upon through the centuries. The buildings are noted for their arched doorways and flat roofs.

Elaborate construction, such as terra cotta ornamentation with bronze accents, complicated mosaics, imposing brick columns and sophisticated mural paintings all reveal the society’s technical sophistication.

Sculpture was used mainly to adorn temples and offer some of the earliest examples of human artists seeking to achieve some form of naturalism in their figures. Facing a scarcity of stone, Sumerians made leaps in metal-casting for their sculpture work, though relief carving in stone was a popular artform.

Under the Akkadian dynasty, sculpture reached new heights, as evidenced by intricate and stylized work in diorite dated to 2100 B.C....

SUMERIAN SCIENCE
Sumerians had a system of medicine that was based in magic and herbalism, but were also familiar with processes of removing chemical parts from natural substances. They are considered to have had an advanced knowledge of anatomy, and surgical instruments have been found in archeological sites.

One of the Sumerians greatest advances was in the area of hydraulic engineering. Early in their history they created a system of ditches to control flooding, and were also the inventors of irrigation. Canals were consistently maintained from dynasty to dynasty.

Their skill at engineering and architecture both point to the sophistication of their understanding of math. The structure of modern time-keeping, with sixty seconds in a minute and sixty minutes in an hour, is attributed to the Sumerians.

SUMERIAN CULTURE
Schools were common in Sumerian culture, marking the world’s first mass effort to pass along knowledge in order to keep a society running and building on itself.

Sumerians left behind scores of written records, but they are more renowned for their epic poetry, which influenced later works in Greece and Rome and sections of the Bible. The Sumerians were musically inclined and a Sumerian hymn is considered the world’s oldest musically notated song....

https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-middle-east/sumer

What all this means is that stone age savages had nothing in common with Noah and the people of that time.

 

[Waiting on him]

Zipporah took what came to hand at that time. It would be like someone being in the kitchen and an intruder showed up. A kitchen knife would be the only available weapon.

During this period, Egypt (where Moses was raised) was the most advanced civilizations in the world.

For almost 30 centuries—from its unification around 3100 B.C. to its conquest by Alexander the Great in 332 B.C.—ancient Egypt was the preeminent civilization in the Mediterranean world. From the great pyramids of the Old Kingdom through the military conquests of the New Kingdom, Egypt’s majesty has long entranced archaeologists and historians and created a vibrant field of study all its own: Egyptology. The main sources of information about ancient Egypt are the many monuments, objects and artifacts that have been recovered from archaeological sites, covered with hieroglyphs that have only recently been deciphered. The picture that emerges is of a culture with few equals in the beauty of its art, the accomplishment of its architecture or the richness of its religious traditions.

https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-history/ancient-egypt

Prior to this, at the time of Noah, the Sumerian civilization was already much advanced and equal to Egyptian civilization:

SUMERIAN ART AND ARCHITECTURE
Architecture on a grand scale is generally credited to have begun under the Sumerians, with religious structures dating back to 3400 B.C., although it appears that the basics of the structures began in the Ubaid period as far back as 5200 B.C. and were improved upon through the centuries. The buildings are noted for their arched doorways and flat roofs.

Elaborate construction, such as terra cotta ornamentation with bronze accents, complicated mosaics, imposing brick columns and sophisticated mural paintings all reveal the society’s technical sophistication.

Sculpture was used mainly to adorn temples and offer some of the earliest examples of human artists seeking to achieve some form of naturalism in their figures. Facing a scarcity of stone, Sumerians made leaps in metal-casting for their sculpture work, though relief carving in stone was a popular artform.

Under the Akkadian dynasty, sculpture reached new heights, as evidenced by intricate and stylized work in diorite dated to 2100 B.C....

SUMERIAN SCIENCE
Sumerians had a system of medicine that was based in magic and herbalism, but were also familiar with processes of removing chemical parts from natural substances. They are considered to have had an advanced knowledge of anatomy, and surgical instruments have been found in archeological sites.

One of the Sumerians greatest advances was in the area of hydraulic engineering. Early in their history they created a system of ditches to control flooding, and were also the inventors of irrigation. Canals were consistently maintained from dynasty to dynasty.

Their skill at engineering and architecture both point to the sophistication of their understanding of math. The structure of modern time-keeping, with sixty seconds in a minute and sixty minutes in an hour, is attributed to the Sumerians.

SUMERIAN CULTURE
Schools were common in Sumerian culture, marking the world’s first mass effort to pass along knowledge in order to keep a society running and building on itself.

Sumerians left behind scores of written records, but they are more renowned for their epic poetry, which influenced later works in Greece and Rome and sections of the Bible. The Sumerians were musically inclined and a Sumerian hymn is considered the world’s oldest musically notated song....

https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-middle-east/sumer

What all this means is that stone age savages had nothing in common with Noah and the people of that time.

The Neolithic (/ˌniːəˈlɪθɪk/ ( listen),[1] also known as the "New Stone Age"), the final division of the Stone Age, began about 12,000 years ago when the first development of farmingappeared in the Epipalaeolithic Near East, and later in other parts of the world. The division lasted until the transitional period of the Chalcolithic from about 6,500 years ago (4500 BC), marked by the development of metallurgy, leading up to the Bronze Age and Iron Age. In Northern Europe, the Neolithic lasted until about 1700 BC, while in China it extended until 1200 BC. Other parts of the world (including the New World) remained broadly in the Neolithic stage of development, although this term may not be used, until European contact.

The Neolithic comprises a progression of behavioral and cultural characteristics and changes, including the use of wild and domestic crops and of domesticated animals.[a]

The term Neolithic derives from the Greek νέοςnéos, "new" and λίθος líthos, "stone", literally meaning "New Stone Age". The term was coined by Sir John Lubbock in 1865 as a refinement of the three-age system.[2]

You really do believe he used metal tools?

 

[aspen]

If the flood was miraculous then it cannot be proven by science, as Stranger stated, so why are you guys looking for scientific evodence for it?

I have no problem believing in miracles - my problem is when Christians stand on their heads trying to legitimize miracles with science and try to teach miracles in science classes.

If we are claiming that Noah miraculously built a giant boat that would never survive a world wide flood and carried every type of land animal, including, sloths, rhinos, Siberian tigers, pandas, land insects, amphibians, and bacteria in his boat it is easily explainable if God wanted to work outside the laws of science.

 

[amadeus]

If the flood was miraculous then it cannot be proven by science, as Stranger stated, so why are you guys looking for scientific evodence for it?

I have no problem believing in miracles - my problem is when Christians stand on their heads trying to legitimize miracles with science and try to teach miracles in science classes.

If we are claiming that Noah miraculously built a giant boat that would never survive a world wide flood and carried every type of land animal, including, sloths, rhinos, Siberian tigers, pandas, land insects, amphibians, and bacteria in his boat it is easily explainable if God wanted to work outside the laws of science.

Your presumption of course is that what science has identified as a law can never be in error. With regard we believe by faith that He is never in error... but at times and on certain issues we simply cannot understand Him.

 

[Enoch111]

More baloney from the Left Liberal corner.

If the flood was miraculous then it cannot be proven by science, as Stranger stated, so why are you guys looking for scientific evidence for it?

The Flood was BOTH miraculous and can also be proven by geology. Why don't you read the Genesis Flood By Whitcomb and Morris BEFORE YOU SAY ANOTHER WORD?


https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Flood-50th-Anniversary/dp/159638395X

If we are claiming that Noah miraculously built a giant boat that would never survive a world wide flood and carried every type of land animal, including, sloths, rhinos, Siberian tigers, pandas, land insects, amphibians, and bacteria in his boat it is easily explainable if God wanted to work outside the laws of science.

What makes you think God wanted to work outside the laws of science, or Natural Laws, when He brought on the Flood and commanded Noah to build that ship (not boat)? Rain was according to natural laws. The release of subterranean water was according to natural laws. Flotation is a natural law. Making the Ark watertight was also according to natural laws. Even the dimensions of the Ark were precisely according to natural laws, which would ensure the stability of the ship as well as its ability to float for over one year without any issues whatsoever.

At the same time, God gave Noah divine enablement in order to gather and control those animals within the Ark. He gives divine enablement to Christians today.

It is evident that you have swallowed theological and political liberalism hook, line, and sinker. But it is all false and bogus.