The Amazing Ship which Noah Built

[Willie T]

Very experienced in politics.

This is quite true. It is a fool who thinks ANY translation isn't slanted by the beliefs of the men doing the translation. And often, even today, those beliefs closely match those of their political leanings.

 

[Enoch111]

Don't believe for a moment that pre-flood people were ignorant and unintelligent. They had only very recently been moulded by God's own hand and created in His image...they were not brainless apes looking to evolve...we have devolved...not evolved.

In addition to that, it would seem that the fallen angels had introduced a great deal of knowledge to mankind just prior to the Flood. While the Bible does not provide details, the book of Enoch is quite enlightening.

[Chapter 8]
1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

 

[brakelite]

One thing's for sure. the devil loves to counterfeit the things of God. With his obsession with pyramids, it's likely the New Jerusalem is shaped like a pyramid. Ain't you glad the day is coming when we'll be inside and him outside regretting all the dirt that he did mankind?

I don't think he will be regretting a thing. He will still be so filled with his usual vindictive selfishness he will be trying to tell everyone it was all God's fault right up to when he shrivels up into vapour.

 

[brakelite]

In addition to that, it would seem that the fallen angels had introduced a great deal of knowledge to mankind just prior to the Flood. While the Bible does not provide details, the book of Enoch is quite enlightening.

[Chapter 8]
1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

Interesting. There was no doubt much technology beyond what we know of today. "Greek fire" is one such, and the means by which stone was cut and transported. Yes, could certainly have been through the medium of fallen angels...isn't it great to know that we have forever to ask about all this and some day, we will know for sure.

 

[CoreIssue]

In addition to that, it would seem that the fallen angels had introduced a great deal of knowledge to mankind just prior to the Flood. While the Bible does not provide details, the book of Enoch is quite enlightening.

[Chapter 8]
1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

The fallen angels were bound in the Pit, so not there.

Plus Enoch lived Pre-Flood, so no book. It was a Gnostc book written aound 300.

The Jude qote was from oral tradition and the only mention of Enoch in the Bible.

Pre-Flood people lived longer and were smarter us.

 

[Taken]

Could he have completed all this with stone tools?

God is a provider.

The things we get from the ground today, are the same things men got from the ground in the early days of mankind....
Water, stones, rocks, oil, ores, gold, silver, iron, gems, etc.

The knowledge, wisdom and understanding of where to find such things and what to do with them, was given men, by God, and men who learned those things, taught other men.

Gen 4
[17] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[18] And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
[19] And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
[20] And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
[21] And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
[22] And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Your marine engineering degree would suggest that a rectangle be more sea-worthy in a catastrophic storm where water was coming from underneath and above?

The Ark was a huge rectangle shape.
Length / breadth / height.

Nothing indicated it was intended to navaigate the water, or be anything but a temporary refuge.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

The fallen angels were bound in the Pit, so not there.

Not all fallen angels were or are bound in hell.

Plus Enoch lived Pre-Flood,

True.

so no book.

Scripture does not say "no book".
Scripture does not say "no writing".

It was a Gnostc book written aound 300.

Highly doubtful, Gnostics were exclusive in writing and book skills, and all other oblivious to such things.

The Jude qote was from oral tradition and the only mention of Enoch in the Bible.

Oral teaching was a primary way of teaching, still is.
Not true, Jude being the only mention of Enoch.

Pre-Flood people lived longer and were smarter us.

True, Pre-flood people did live longer.
False, Pre-flood people were smarter.
Much knowledge and understanding was kept secret from them, and revealed by Jesus.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

The Bible says people were "saved by water". The water didn't save anyone, it drowned people.

Therefore, there are a couple of ways to understand "saved by water".

1) The human race was "saved by water" because if God didn't send the Flood, the corrupting influence of the Antediluvians would have swallowed up the last family on Earth loyal to God, leaving no holy lineage through which the Messiah could come.

2) Noah and the fly was "saved by" the threat of "water" which motivated them to trust God by faith in His Word and prepare for the threat.

Now, I don't claim to be a Greek scholar so I could be wrong, but what I do know is the primary Agent of salvation is God and the conduit through which we take hold of the salvation is our faith, both of which are outside of tangible things like boats and water.

The water saved Noah and his family by drowning everyone else.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Ha...Same old BS, huh Stranger? Still barking about everyone lying - still trying to tip people over. Give it up already and join the Body of Christ! Satan is the accuser....we are called to love, for the millionth time

If a literal flood happened; a flood that cannot be agreed upon by Christians (was it world wide? Regional? An inspired story?); not accepted as literal by Jewish people; or recorded outside Mesopotamia in the same form; then, it was a miraculous event, not backed up by science, archeology, geology, or everything known about giant wooden boats surviving current oceanic conditions, let alone colossal, apocalyptic conditions - the debris alone would have destroy the boat before it started

Yes, that is what I'm hearing from you.

So Jesus Christ was lying? (Matt. 24:37-39) "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying, and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

A literal flood did happen just as recorded in (Gen. 6-8). It was caused by God. It's purpose was to destroy all the rest of mankind, which it did. You have liberal unbelieving Jews just like you have liberal unbelieving Christians. Most Jews don't believe their own Bible anyway. They believe as you, that much of the Old Testament is just fictional stories.

The flood and all aspects surrounding it were miraculous; from God. God gave Noah the ability and instructions to build the Ark. When all were in, God shut the door. (Gen. 7:16) "...and the LORD shut him in." God was overseeing the protection of the Ark throughout the flood. No debris would have done any damage to it.

Consider also (Heb. 11:7) "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith." Is Paul lying here also?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Very experienced in politics.

No, experienced at translation.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

If the flood was miraculous

It was.

then it cannot be proven by science, as Stranger stated, so why are you guys looking for scientific evodence for it?

You seem confused. A person who already believes in the Scripture detailing the Ark existed, are not looking for proof, SO THEY CAN BELIEVE. Their interest is IF a Biblical piece of history "still" exists and may be "seen" with their own eyes, they would like to "see" it.

I have no problem believing in miracles - my problem is when Christians stand on their heads trying to legitimize miracles with science and try to teach miracles in science classes.

You are presuming A person who does believe the Ark existed feels the need to "legitimize" their belief for an unbeliever, which is an error.

If we are claiming that Noah miraculously built

I don't see anyone claiming Noah's Ark was "miraculously built".
I do believe, like the title of the OP, that Noah's accomplishment of building the Ark, is AMAZING....
And the Flood Waters brought forth from GOD, is pretty AWESOME...
But more so I would say the "MIRACULOUS" event was GOD aswayging the water off from the earth.

a giant boat that would never survive a world wide flood

Because? what? A boat mysteriously stops floating?

and carried every type of land animal, including, sloths, rhinos, Siberian tigers, pandas, land insects, amphibians,

And why would every TYPE of those named animals have been on the Ark when God clearly stated He would bring KINDS of Land Creatures and KINDS of Fowls, to enter the Ark? NO creatures from the Seas were mentioned to be brought into the Ark.

Taken

 

[Taken]

I agree. And yes, science can definately be in error - we have a long history of this, but the reason we can see the past errors is because science is committed to finding out the the truth and uncovering errors

Science is merely a method of experimenting with discovered knowledge and discovered things.

Ancient history is steeped in science.

The key to Understanding Science according to Scripture, is to use the discovered knowledge and discovered things, for a good purpose, pleasing to God.

Taken

 

[Taken]

If a literal flood happened;

Revealing your doubt of Scripture is noted.

a flood that cannot be agreed upon by Christians (was it world wide? Regional? An inspired story?);

Men at different points of age, knowledge, maturity, wisdom, distance in a faithful walk, are expected to have different understandings.

not accepted as literal by Jewish people;

Funny. Have you informed them of their disbelief? LOL

the debris alone would have destroy the boat before it started

What debris? Like floating tents, floating rocks, floating mud and sand used in building construction?

Taken

 

[Waiting on him]

God is a provider.

The things we get from the ground today, are the same things men got from the ground in the early days of mankind....
Water, stones, rocks, oil, ores, gold, silver, iron, gems, etc.

The knowledge, wisdom and understanding of where to find such things and what to do with them, was given men, by God, and men who learned those things, taught other men.

Gen 4
[17] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[18] And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
[19] And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
[20] And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
[21] And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
[22] And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

God Bless,
Taken

This puts the Iron Age at pre flood. I’ll have to study on this some.

 

[CoreIssue]

Not all fallen angels were or are bound in hell.

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CoreIssue said: ↑
The fallen angels were bound in the Pit, so not there.
Not all fallen angels were or are bound in hell.

Only Satan was not.

Plus Enoch lived Pre-Flood,
True.
so no book.
Scripture does not say "no book".
Scripture does not say "no writing".

Nor does it say there was a book.

It was a Gnostc book written aound 300.
Highly doubtful, Gnostics were exclusive in writing and book skills, and all other oblivious to such things.

The scholars say Gnostic 300 AD.

The Jude qote was from oral tradition and the only mention of Enoch in the Bible.
Oral teaching was a primary way of teaching, still is.
Not true, Jude being the only mention of Enoch.

Once quoting him.

Pre-Flood people lived longer and were smarter us.
True, Pre-flood people did live longer.
False, Pre-flood people were smarter.
Much knowledge and understanding was kept secret from them, and revealed by Jesus.

Jesus did not deal in technology.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Phoneman777]

I don't think he will be regretting a thing. He will still be so filled with his usual vindictive selfishness he will be trying to tell everyone it was all God's fault right up to when he shrivels up into vapour.

I think he'll stop all that once he confesses Jesus was right along with all the others that are about to be vaporized.

 

[CoreIssue]

No, experienced at translation.

Stranger

We have far greater ancient language understanding today and more manuscripts. Rome did not give them manuscript access. They used materials written in the 1500s, such as Textus Receptus.

 

[CoreIssue]

God is a provider.

The things we get from the ground today, are the same things men got from the ground in the early days of mankind....
Water, stones, rocks, oil, ores, gold, silver, iron, gems, etc.

The knowledge, wisdom and understanding of where to find such things and what to do with them, was given men, by God, and men who learned those things, taught other men.

Gen 4
[17] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[18] And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
[19] And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
[20] And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
[21] And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
[22] And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

God Bless,
Taken

One correction.

Again the KJV is misleading and wrong. They were very smart but not as knowledgeable as we are today.

22 Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of bronze and iron.

 

[bbyrd009]

I think he'll stop all that once he confesses Jesus was right along with all the others that are about to be vaporized.

wadr there is no "he" there such as we like to imagine I guess; Satan is personified bc ppl cannot stand in truth