Why not? Did you simply ignore everything I posted about ancient civilizations? Or do you simply wish to consign Noah to the stone age, when Fred Flintstone invented the wheel?
The Amazing Ship which Noah Built
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On the subject of ancient mysteries, you fellas may find this interesting
http://beforeus.com/SOS.pdf
http://beforeus.com/SOS.pdf
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I agree. And yes, science can definately be in error - we have a long history of this, but the reason we can see the past errors is because science is committed to finding out the the truth and uncovering errors
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
So? A lot of smoke. Sounds good though. But, the KJV translators were more experienced than you. Go ahead and change it if you like. That way the Bible will be according to you. Handy.
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My apologies Sir, when I posted that I didn’t realize you had read Whitcombs book!
That is a lie. You stated that the flood was fiction. Now you are crawfishing. Now you want to say ok if it was miraculous.
It was miraculous and historical. Everything about it.
If you believe it really occurred and was miraculous you would have said so in the first place. But you denied it as fiction. You're not only a liar but a coward too.
So, did the flood really occur as stated in the Bible...or not?
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The Bible says people were "saved by water". The water didn't save anyone, it drowned people.
Therefore, there are a couple of ways to understand "saved by water".
1) The human race was "saved by water" because if God didn't send the Flood, the corrupting influence of the Antediluvians would have swallowed up the last family on Earth loyal to God, leaving no holy lineage through which the Messiah could come.
2) Noah and the fly was "saved by" the threat of "water" which motivated them to trust God by faith in His Word and prepare for the threat.
Now, I don't claim to be a Greek scholar so I could be wrong, but what I do know is the primary Agent of salvation is God and the conduit through which we take hold of the salvation is our faith, both of which are outside of tangible things like boats and water.
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Some are so literal, if the Bible stated Noah tied his ass to a 500 lb piece of wood and walked 40 miles, this would have to imply skin is the most elastic substance in the world.
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I tried reading it, but only got about 1/4 way. Seems like just a long apologetic on ancient mystery religion Sun worship
Here's another fascinating book on ancient mysteries...https://outrageousminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/dead-mens-secretsfull.pdf
He clarifies that at some stage...haven't read it in a long while. He clearly differentiates between astrology and the true origins of the constellations...which when understood are an ancient prophetic pictorial of the gospel...known in different cultures well before the mystery religions came along and counterfeited it.
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One thing's for sure. the devil loves to counterfeit the things of God. With his obsession with pyramids, it's likely the New Jerusalem is shaped like a pyramid. Ain't you glad the day is coming when we'll be inside and him outside regretting all the dirt that he did mankind?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Ha...Same old BS, huh Stranger? Still barking about everyone lying - still trying to tip people over. Give it up already and join the Body of Christ! Satan is the accuser....we are called to love, for the millionth time
If a literal flood happened; a flood that cannot be agreed upon by Christians (was it world wide? Regional? An inspired story?); not accepted as literal by Jewish people; or recorded outside Mesopotamia in the same form; then, it was a miraculous event, not backed up by science, archeology, geology, or everything known about giant wooden boats surviving current oceanic conditions, let alone colossal, apocalyptic conditions - the debris alone would have destroy the boat before it started
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New International Version
to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
New Living Translation
those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.
English Standard Version
because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
Berean Study Bible
who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water.
Berean Literal Bible
at one time having disobeyed, when the longsuffering of God was waiting in the days of Noah, of the ark being prepared, in which a few--that is, eight souls--were saved through water,
New American Standard Bible
who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
King James Bible
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Christian Standard Bible
who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared. In it a few--that is, eight people--were saved through water.
Contemporary English Version
They had disobeyed God while Noah was building the boat, but God had been patient with them. Eight people went into that boat and were brought safely through the flood.
Good News Translation
These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat. The few people in the boat--eight in all--were saved by the water,
Holman Christian Standard Bible
who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while an ark was being prepared. In it a few--that is, eight people--were saved through water.
International Standard Version
who disobeyed long ago in the days of Noah, when God waited patiently while the ark was being built. In it a few, that is, eight persons, were saved by water.
NET Bible
after they were disobedient long ago when God patiently waited in the days of Noah as an ark was being constructed. In the ark a few, that is eight souls, were delivered through water.
New Heart English Bible
who before were disobedient, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the box-shaped vessel was being built. In it, few, that is, eight souls, were saved by means of water.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
These who from the first were not convinced in the days of Noah when the long-suffering of God commanded that there would be an ark, upon the hope of their repentance, and only eight souls entered it and were kept alive by water.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
They are like those who disobeyed long ago in the days of Noah when God waited patiently while Noah built the ship. In this ship a few people-eight in all-were saved by water.
New American Standard 1977
who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
Jubilee Bible 2000
which in the time past were disobedient, when once the patience of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being made ready, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
King James 2000 Bible
Who formerly were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, by which a few, that is, eight souls were saved through water.
American King James Version
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
American Standard Version
that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:
Douay-Rheims Bible
Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.
Darby Bible Translation
heretofore disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in [the] days of Noah while the ark was preparing, into which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:
English Revised Version
which aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:
Webster's Bible Translation
Who formerly were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.
Weymouth New Testament
who in ancient times had been disobedient, while God's longsuffering was patiently waiting in the days of Noah during the building of the Ark, in which a few persons--eight in number--were brought safely through the water.
World English Bible
who before were disobedient, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ship was being built. In it, few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
Young's Literal Translation
who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;
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