(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

[Truth7t7]

How is Jesus going to reign on earth if earth is destroyed?

No place in scripture does it teach Jesus Is going to be on this earth, let alone reign on it, Jesus warned his followers against this false teaching

Sound The Alarm!

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium, this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Truth7t7]

When would Rev 20:7-9 occur if earth is destroyed?

Luke 17:29-30 pictures the hail of Rev 16:21 "And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

Luke 17:29-30, Rev 20:9, and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 is the same event of (The Lord's Second Coming When He Will Be Revealed In "Fire") and as the scripture in Luke clearly teaches the wicked will be destroyed (Destroyed Them All)

(Same Event In The Second Coming Below)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

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Satan has never reigned over the earth, i.e. controlled it. But he and his angels have tried to influence the affairs of men to get them to be in rebellion against God.

God is going to bring Satan and his angels activities to an end. When Satan and his angels are cast down to earth in the third woe, their time left for their activities will be short - a time/times/half time, roughly 3 1/2 years.


Those verses above are the rejoicing reaction by them in heaven, to Satan and his angels being cast down to earth, their time coming to a close. See what it says at the start of Revelation 12:12 ?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Concerning Satan's reign over the earth:
I think we both agree about what's happening now but have different ways of expressing it. How do you interpret Rev 11:15? "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ"

Concerning Satan and his angels not being cast to earth until the 3rd woe:
What is symbolized in Rev 8:10? "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven..." Satan?
What is symbolized in Rev 8:12? "And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise." Satan's angels?

Who is the great star of Rev 9:1? "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit." Satan? NKJV reads fallen instead of fall presumably because he fell in Rev 8:10.

Why doesn't similar star falling language appear at the 3rd woe? Satan was already fallen?

 

[Truth7t7]

Why doesn't similar star falling language appear at the 3rd woe? Satan was already fallen?

The scripture is very clear, Jesus during his ministry on earth testified to his 70 disciples that he watched Satan being cast out of heaven, simple, clear, easy to understand and before your eyes, no further argument needed, "Case Closed"

The scripture below silences any persons claim that Satan is still in heaven waiting to be cast out

Luke 10:17-18KJV
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

 

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No place in scripture does it teach Jesus Is going to be on this earth, let alone reign on it, Jesus warned his followers against this false teaching

Sound The Alarm!

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium, this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Just as Jesus warned against false Christs, there is plenty of evidence of the real Christ coming to earth and establishing his reign on earth. Here are several examples just from the book of Zechariah.
Zech 9:7-8
"7 And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite. 8 And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes."
Zech 9:10
"10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."
Zech 12:9-11
"9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon."
Zech 13:1-2
"1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land."
Zech 14:4-11
4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."

Joel Richardson documents Jesus' earthly reign as well as anyone. Would you like me to recommend a video?

 

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The scripture is very clear, Jesus during his ministry on earth testified to his 70 disciples that he watched Satan being cast out of heaven, simple, clear, easy to understand and before your eyes, no further argument needed, "Case Closed"

The scripture below silences any persons claim that Satan is still in heaven waiting to be cast out

Luke 10:17-18KJV
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

IMO according to Luke 10:17, this is a reference to the first time in the history of the world that mankind had authority over the demonic as the power of the Holy Spirit remained upon his disciples during the time they were sent out. From 1st Century Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was sent out, all of mankind through Jesus have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which gives us the same power.

God has always had the power to intervene and has answered the prayers of his people throughout history. That power was just not dwelling in his people.

As I usually take things very literally, this is one example of figurative language. The literal casting out of Satan occurs in the 3rd trumpet.

 

[Truth7t7]

Just as Jesus warned against false Christs, there is plenty of evidence of the real Christ coming to earth and establishing his reign on earth. Here are several examples just from the book of Zechariah.
Zech 9:7-8
"7 And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite. 8 And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes."
Zech 9:10
"10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."
Zech 12:9-11
"9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon."
Zech 13:1-2
"1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land."
Zech 14:4-11
4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."

Joel Richardson documents Jesus' earthly reign as well as anyone. Would you like me to recommend a video?

I Strongly Disagree

Jesus won't be found any place upon this earth, the future antichrist will come claiming to be Messiah returned just as post #281 clearly shows "Beware"!

 

[William Barton]

(Fact) Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement Dissolving This Earth By fire.

IMO:
New heavens and earth occur *after* the Millennial reign of Jesus (Revelation chapters 21,22).

 

[Truth7t7]

IMO according to Luke 10:17, this is a reference to the first time in the history of the world that mankind had authority over the demonic as the power of the Holy Spirit remained upon his disciples during the time they were sent out. From 1st Century Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was sent out, all of mankind through Jesus have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which gives us the same power.

God has always had the power to intervene and has answered the prayers of his people throughout history. That power was just not dwelling in his people.

As I usually take things very literally, this is one example of figurative language. The literal casting out of Satan occurs in the 3rd trumpet.

You failed to acknowledge the very words of Jesus Christ below "Why"?

(I Beheld Satan As Lightning Fall From Heaven)

Luke 10:17-18KJV
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

 

[Truth7t7]

IMO:
New heavens and earth occur *after* the Millennial reign of Jesus (Revelation chapters 21,22).

As has been clearly shown several times, there won't be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[William Barton]

(Fact) Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement Dissolving This Earth By Fire, Just As Post #262 Above Clearly Shows That Was Presented To You And Before The Forum

"Dissolved by fire" occurs in Revelation 21:1, see also 2Peter 3:7.

This is *after* the Millennium.

 

[William Barton]

There Won't Be A Future Millennial Kingdom on this Earth,

IMO:
"Dissolved by fire" occurs after the Millennium. At that time this current creation will be dispensed and replaced by a new heavens and a new earth.

New heavens and new earth are described in Revelation chapters 21 and 22. They are created after Jesus reigns for "1000 years" (a millennium).

"Millennium" = Latin:

(mille = 1000) + (annum = year)

i.e. 1000-year (reign).

In the new heavens and new earth righteousness will prevail.

Maranatha.

 

[Douggg]

I think we both agree about what's happening now but have different ways of expressing it. How do you interpret Rev 11:15? "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ"

Revelation 11:15 is a declaration made in heaven about God enacting His plan to relieve the world from the influence of Satan and his angels.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Concerning Satan and his angels not being cast to earth until the 3rd woe:
What is symbolized in Rev 8:10? "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven..." Satan?

No,not Satan. That great star is called Wormwood in Revelation 8:11. The star will be some sort of asteroid that will poison a third of the earth's water, when it falls to earth.

Why doesn't similar star falling language appear at the 3rd woe? Satan was already fallen?

I don't think a star metaphor is needed in Revelation 12:12, because the text speaks directly about Satan.

 

[ewq1938]

The key will be taken away from Satan, so that he won't be able to escape from the bottomless pit prison.

No one is giving satan that key. One of God's angels has it and still has it in Rev 20.

How many keys do you have for your car ? Just one, or a couple ?

Just one and I gave it to a local criminal because he promises not to steal the car and that he would give the key back.

 

[Truth7t7]

IMO:
"Dissolved by fire" occurs after the Millennium.

No further response with you on a future Millennium, we have run around the bush at least 5 times, I disagree with your eschatology

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 11:15 is a declaration made in heaven about God enacting His plan to relieve the world from the influence of Satan and his angels.

100% "False"

Revelation 11:15 represents the future second coming of Jesus Christ at the 7th Trump/Angel, and the final judgement Revelation 11:18

 

[William Barton]

Thats 100% Correct, There Won't Be A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, It's A Fabricated Fairy Tale Of Man

(Fact) Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement Dissolving This Earth By Fire, Just As Post #262 Above Clearly Shows That Was Presented To You And Before The Forum

Truth717 explained:
"There won't be a future millennial kingdom on this earth"

Bible explained:

o "Then I saw heaven opened...his name is the Word of God...kings of the *earth* with their armies gathered to make war against him..."
(Revelation 19:11-21)

o "...reigned with Christ a thousand years..." (Revelation 19:11)

"Thousand years" = "millennium"

"Millennium" stems from Latin:
mille= "thousand"
annus = "year"

 

[Davy]

I don’t believe there is a distinction; I see not giving off her light as the regular light, so a blood moon, darkness all points the same timing which would support Matt 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 at the cosmic signs directly preceding the Lords coming.

And I know why you don't see the distinction. It's because you have most likely not yet understood the first part of the 6th Seal which is NOT about Christ's coming. Only the 2nd part of the 6th Seal starting at Revelation 6:14 begins the events of Christ's coming.

First Part:
Rev 6:12-13
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
KJV

The above is about this coming event... that has not... happened yet:

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV

That idea of being cast out of heaven is about being cast out of the heavenly dimension. There's only two dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, this earthly dimension we live in, and the heavenly dimension that is invisible and exists behind a veil, and is where God and the angels, and the abode of hell, and Satan's pit prison all exist. So if you don't understand that, you won't understand verse 8 above about no more place found in heaven for Satan. This is not about Lucifer's original rebellion of old and fall. The power of Christ did not yet exist at Lucifer's original fall. Nor was it possible back then for those saints of verse 11 to overcome by the Blood of The Lamb.

Most brethren do not understand about that other heavenly realm, and its operations in relation to our earthly dimension, and even forget Bible truths like angels appearing on earth in our earthy dimension with the image of man. Satan is coming, with his angels, and God said in His parable of Ezekiel 28 that He made Satan the full pattern of beauty. Satan will appear on earth in plain sight with that image of man, and God will also destroy him 'on the earth' by a fire within himself, with mankind seeing it, as per Ezekiel 28:18.

 

[William Barton]

As has been clearly shown several times, there won't be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

"And when the *THOUSAND YEARS* are ended, Satan will be released from his prison" (Revelation 20:7)

"Thousand years" = "millennium," as I previously noted.

 

[WitnessX]

And I know why you don't see the distinction. It's because you have most likely not yet understood the first part of the 6th Seal which is NOT about Christ's coming. Only the 2nd part of the 6th Seal starting at Revelation 6:14 begins the events of Christ's coming.

First Part:
Rev 6:12-13
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
KJV

The above is about this coming event... that has not... happened yet:

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV

That idea of being cast out of heaven is about being cast out of the heavenly dimension. There's only two dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, this earthly dimension we live in, and the heavenly dimension that is invisible and exists behind a veil, and is where God and the angels, and the abode of hell, and Satan's pit prison all exist. So if you don't understand that, you won't understand verse 8 above about no more place found in heaven for Satan. This is not about Lucifer's original rebellion of old and fall. The power of Christ did not yet exist at Lucifer's original fall. Nor was it possible back then for those saints of verse 11 to overcome by the Blood of The Lamb.

Most brethren do not understand about that other heavenly realm, and its operations in relation to our earthly dimension, and even forget Bible truths like angels appearing on earth in our earthy dimension with the image of man. Satan is coming, with his angels, and God said in His parable of Ezekiel 28 that He made Satan the full pattern of beauty. Satan will appear on earth in plain sight with that image of man, and God will also destroy him 'on the earth' by a fire within himself, with mankind seeing it, as per Ezekiel 28:18.

I understand it just fine. These are all the same event, at the same chronological time. Separated by no more than a period in its grammatical sequence.

Mark 13:25 (KJV) And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Matthew 24:29 (KJV) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6:13 (KJV) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The Parable is the Fig Tree is explained clearly in Matt. 24:36-44;Mark 13:28-31; Luke 21:29-33 which is the Rev 6:13.

You’re simply imputing your own interpretation into the text.

The darkness, blood red moon is all part of the cosmic signs directly preceding the Day of the Lord. No amount of self interpretation needed as I have provided explicit scripture references that all attest to such.

You claim: “The power of Christ did not yet exist at Lucifer's original fall”.

That’s a lie, He existed from the beginning:

John 17:5 (KJV) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Revelation 22:13 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Plenty more passages prove the existence before the fall.